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Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 19 2011 21:18 GMT
#15421
On June 20 2011 06:15 Zhul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:05 KvltMan wrote:
I'm just gonna spit it out there, but I'm seriously hoping for a race-switch for Greg in HotS. I think he follows his SC1 race-path and goes for Terran in HotS.

Probably not. As he said he has selfrespect


Terran is a respectful race now

Their 50 damage siege tanks and uber strong timings attacks were all nerfed. Now you need skill and micro and multitasking to play terran, how it should be.
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:21:22
June 19 2011 21:20 GMT
#15422
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:07 7mk wrote:
yea motbob that stuff doesnt really count for SC2 players

OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait.


Sure =) for the record I was only talking about the girlfriend part though, not the practicing part.
I also think that 3 hours a day isnt enough to stay at the top, maybe of foreigners, but not of koreans.
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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:22:05
June 19 2011 21:21 GMT
#15423
I agree with the 2-3 hours of praftice a day thing but not about the girlfriend. I think that the problem with the SC:BW pros is the massive change in their lifestyles that they are unaccustomed to... A lot of them seem to have no social lives whatsoever. After Idra left CJ Entus he still maintained a professional practice regime but also seemed to utilise his free time better and this wasn't a problem for his play.

But more practice - definitely.

Anyway, Idra played well compared to his performance yesterday. He made a lot of good decisions and the games were not one-sided. He wasn't as fast as he usually is but this was to be expected, considering his state. Still, it seems to me that yet again he got intimidated by the large force near his base and attacked a bit sooner than he needed to. :/

Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
June 19 2011 21:22 GMT
#15424
On June 20 2011 06:04 Nawyria wrote:
Yes, I'm saying IdrA should have split off a couple of his Roaches there, seeing as Blink was not out when IdrA first engaged (and wasn't until MC pushed if I recall correctly), MC's stalker count had not swelled to it's critical mass and he lacked his +2 attack. If MC had pushed to his third from that point, IdrA's roaches could flank from behind; if MC had pushed to IdrA's main at that point, he'd have to engage in the more spread-out area just outside the choke. The situation is incomparable to that in game 1, where MC had the high ground and was equipped with a veritable 170+ supply colossus doomball as IdrA's forces slowly trickled in.


Blink finished when Idra tried to tunnel under the sets of forcefields. Sending say 10 roaches out and around thru MCs 3rd wouldn't help because MC can simply blink ontop of them with his stalkers while Idra has to burrow under the forcefields with his main army. Both armys (of idras) have to attack at the same time or be picked apart and blink and forcefields allow MC to dictate when he engages either attack.
uproar
Profile Joined June 2011
9 Posts
June 19 2011 21:22 GMT
#15425
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:07 7mk wrote:
yea motbob that stuff doesnt really count for SC2 players

OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait.

Could you please elaborate on the girlfriend part with reference to BW players? I'm not too familiar with the private life of these progamers but were there major incidents with gfs? I just found a thread about Stork's girlfriend. Did he quit the relationship?
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 21:29:29
June 19 2011 21:28 GMT
#15426
On June 20 2011 06:22 uproar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:07 7mk wrote:
yea motbob that stuff doesnt really count for SC2 players

OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait.

Could you please elaborate on the girlfriend part with reference to BW players? I'm not too familiar with the private life of these progamers but were there major incidents with gfs? I just found a thread about Stork's girlfriend. Did he quit the relationship?

There's no hard evidence as far as Stork goes (only speculation that his GF caused one of his many slumps, he's also had troubles with WoW addiction) but there was a story about a certain STX player (name withheld) that was undergoing a slump so severe that the coaching staff decided that he must have been seeing a girlfriend in secret. Sure enough, they caught him sneaking out after a few months. Korean netizens (and TLers) speculated that the player was (Z)Calm since he was in the middle of a massive slump.

Korean coaches in general, it seems, discourage their players from having GFs.
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Greatness
Profile Joined May 2011
United States450 Posts
June 19 2011 21:29 GMT
#15427
On June 20 2011 06:28 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:22 uproar wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:07 7mk wrote:
yea motbob that stuff doesnt really count for SC2 players

OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait.

Could you please elaborate on the girlfriend part with reference to BW players? I'm not too familiar with the private life of these progamers but were there major incidents with gfs? I just found a thread about Stork's girlfriend. Did he quit the relationship?

There's no hard evidence as far as Stork goes (only speculation that his GF caused one of his many slumps, he's also had troubles with WoW addiction) but there was a story about a certain STX player (name withheld) that was undergoing a slump so severe that the coaching staff decided that he must have been seeing a girlfriend in secret. Sure enough, they caught him sneaking out after a few months. Korean netizens (and TLers) speculated that the player was (Z)Calm since he was in the middle of a massive slump.

Korean coaches in general, it seems, discourage their players from having GFs.

So you're saying....blame Idra's girlfriend for losing MLG and Dreamhack.

GRAB YOUR TORCHES AND PITCHFORKS PEOPLE.
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
June 19 2011 21:30 GMT
#15428
On June 20 2011 06:22 uproar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:07 7mk wrote:
yea motbob that stuff doesnt really count for SC2 players

OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait.

Could you please elaborate on the girlfriend part with reference to BW players? I'm not too familiar with the private life of these progamers but were there major incidents with gfs? I just found a thread about Stork's girlfriend. Did he quit the relationship?


Short story:
If u want to be the best in SC you have to be a virgin.
lithium3n
Profile Joined May 2011
United States74 Posts
June 19 2011 21:33 GMT
#15429
MC has a girlfriend, you can't blame the girlfriend for poor performance.
ken-
Profile Joined May 2011
63 Posts
June 19 2011 21:33 GMT
#15430
Anyone else think Idra just chooses the wrong strategy vs MC? If he doesn't do some sort of all in cheese he just does a macro heavy roach type play every time. This style has failed against MC pretty much every time minus 2 games at MLG where MC was clearly jet lagged. Other korean zergs that I watch beat MC has used a more aggressive style of zerg play involving zerglings/banelings/mutas/infestors and eventual broodlords if the game goes long enough. Only thing I fear is that Idra doesn't have the micro to pull this style off.

Could be wrong though but at this point how many more games is Idra going to drop to MC doing the same exact type play? Macro isn't going to beat MC alone...
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
June 19 2011 21:35 GMT
#15431
It's not the girlfriend per se, it's distractions from being 100% focused on SC2.
And I get it, Idra is not in a position where he needs to be 100% focused on it, because he's no longer in Korea, he's not making a living out of being in the GSL and GSL-related tournaments, and so on.

Also, I will have to disagree with the SC1 comparison, for the simple reason that SC1 was about dominant players. Sure, we have some in sc2 as well, but there are no Boxers yet, no Nadas (lol, you know what I mean!), no Bisus, no Saviors and no Flashes. Yes, there are players who do WELL a lot, but there are no players who positively DOMINATE everything like bonjwas did in SC1.
My point is, in order to be 100% dominant, like Flash, you HAVE to train 10+ hours a day. You just have to, because everyone you play is weaker than you, to some extent, so you have to improve by pure practice alone, since you can't learn from someone better.

This is not the case in sc2, yet, but you still need to be in the zone in order to be on top. If you're not playing 8 hours a day, you probably won't win a bo3 against someone who does. And this is why they are saying that Idra, having a gf, is taking away from those hours of training. It happened in SC1 as well, but I think it has a bigger impact in SC1. But something tells me that MC trains a lot more than Idra, even with both having GFs and such.
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Tommie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
China658 Posts
June 19 2011 21:36 GMT
#15432
Too bad you had to face MC Idra. You could have won game 1 for sure. Game 2 the mass roach thing didn't work out and lotsa mistakes and all that. Relax and just have fun at the homestory cup. It's not a shame to lose to MC.
Being a ho doesn't automatically make you "immoral" or a bad person, but it does make you a ho.
Velocity`
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom343 Posts
June 19 2011 21:42 GMT
#15433
There are lots of world class players who have girlfriends, motbob's argument doesn't make any sense. Perhaps when SC2 is evolved to such an extent as BW, but not now.
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
June 19 2011 21:43 GMT
#15434
Don't give up man, you did your best but MC is probably the best player in SC2 atm. Still, you fought well! Keep fighting, IDRA FIGHTING!!!
"I am a beacon of knowledge blazing out across a black sea of ignorance. "
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 19 2011 21:43 GMT
#15435
MC's training actually helps him though.

Training with oGs or IM is not the same as training with EG or NA ladder.

It's why IdrA will never be able to have a win rate as high as NesTea, even if they practiced the same and were the same skill levels.
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Shufny
Profile Joined June 2011
Hungary4 Posts
June 19 2011 21:55 GMT
#15436
I think he is just way too frustrated to focus. That's all. It's sad to see him lose like that again. His play can be amazing when he is sure he would win.
phisku
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Belgium864 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 22:06:21
June 19 2011 21:58 GMT
#15437
On June 20 2011 06:15 Zhul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:05 KvltMan wrote:
I'm just gonna spit it out there, but I'm seriously hoping for a race-switch for Greg in HotS. I think he follows his SC1 race-path and goes for Terran in HotS.

Probably not. As he said he has selfrespect



i think he will pull the Lz.
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
June 19 2011 22:02 GMT
#15438
2bad mc won :X
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
Powerforged2
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada48 Posts
June 19 2011 22:03 GMT
#15439
To be honest I just don't think idra cares anymore. You can kind of tell in his play. I'm a huge idra fan and because of that I think he should take a break from the game if he is truly unhappy enough to not give a shit about performing anymore.

Basically idra's train of thought is, "well i'm not gonna win this so why bother trying"

Idra, if you're reading, Take a break dude, clear your head and think hard about what you want out of the rest of your life, seems you are not happy doing this anymore, and if you are and you want to be successful at it with tourney wins and great performances.. move back to Korea the NA ladder is dragging you down

Winnipeg, MB (GO JETS GO!!!)
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
June 19 2011 22:04 GMT
#15440
On June 20 2011 06:28 motbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 06:22 uproar wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:10 motbob wrote:
On June 20 2011 06:07 7mk wrote:
yea motbob that stuff doesnt really count for SC2 players

OK, let's wait a few months and see who's right. I can wait.

Could you please elaborate on the girlfriend part with reference to BW players? I'm not too familiar with the private life of these progamers but were there major incidents with gfs? I just found a thread about Stork's girlfriend. Did he quit the relationship?

There's no hard evidence as far as Stork goes (only speculation that his GF caused one of his many slumps, he's also had troubles with WoW addiction) but there was a story about a certain STX player (name withheld) that was undergoing a slump so severe that the coaching staff decided that he must have been seeing a girlfriend in secret. Sure enough, they caught him sneaking out after a few months. Korean netizens (and TLers) speculated that the player was (Z)Calm since he was in the middle of a massive slump.

Korean coaches in general, it seems, discourage their players from having GFs.

Honestly I don't think Sc2 is mechanically demanding enough for stuff like that to have as big of an effect.
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