EPTBoth games he was ahead, but be built no infestors. Game 2 he just needed earlier hydras. I'm still not sure that he couldn't have worn down MC's stalker force with his superior economy.
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Fleebenworth
463 Posts
Both games he was ahead, but be built no infestors. Game 2 he just needed earlier hydras. I'm still not sure that he couldn't have worn down MC's stalker force with his superior economy. | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:42 hifriend wrote: The DT's: - Still gave him map control - Made idra's investment in early roaches/lings completely useless - Forced spines/spores - Ended up killing 5-6 drones anyway.. so it wasn't as bad as it could've been had idra gone a more normal route. Idra still got his 3rd up on time and MC was forced to cancel his natural nexus and 3rd repeatedly. So the units weren't worthless at all. He was ahead by 22 drones after the opening and up 2 bases to 1. Don't even try to justify coming back from that. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:44 MonsieurGrimm wrote: WELL FUCK GUYS LETS JUST COME IN HERE AND SHIT UP THE FANCLUB Please, this is the IdrA fanclub, not the Balance Whine Thread. What we should be saying is that IdrA played a couple fantastic games and nearly won them both, not herp derp I'll whine about balance in the IdrA fanclub just because IdrA doesn't think the game is balanced. None of you are good enough for balance to matter. Please calm down before you post. So how do you feel Idra could of won those games after countering MC's early builds. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:42 cavalier117 wrote: Neither games lasted long enough for infestors.... they take SOO long to get out, especially with Pathogen glands being a MUST. game 1=corrupters being way more important to get b4 infestors. they couldnt even get out in time when he had 4 bases and PERFECT macro. game two didnt last near enough for infestors. L2 build order times... how can you have perfect macro on 4 bases and only manage to get out 5 corruptors vs 5 or 6 colossi? Thats not perfect to me. Would have really liked to see idra win but his engagement were always microed pretty poorly and anyone who says he couldnt have gotten fungal out in time in game 2 is wrong. Hope he works on his ZvP style a bit to finally beat some koreans ^^ | ||
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Zeri
United States773 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:44 MonsieurGrimm wrote: WELL FUCK GUYS LETS JUST COME IN HERE AND SHIT UP THE FANCLUB Please, this is the IdrA fanclub, not the Balance Whine Thread. What we should be saying is that IdrA played a couple fantastic games and nearly won them both, not herp derp I'll whine about balance in the IdrA fanclub just because IdrA doesn't think the game is balanced. None of you are good enough for balance to matter. Please calm down before you post. reporting is kind of fun though :p | ||
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whereismymind
United Kingdom717 Posts
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PhaseTwo
United States118 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:42 hemipepsis5p wrote: Bottom line, Protoss has to many IMBA MID GAME UNITS. Sentries (possibly with Hallucinate), Blink Stalkers, and Immortals are fucking bullshit. Protoss can flood the mid-game with so many bullshit gimmicky units that zerg has no chance. Mis-rally or not he only lost 8 roaches, that would've died anyways. Imagine if you would Blink Roaches. Exactly, Imba as fuck. Protoss is a gimmicky BS baby-race. Blizzard take note. Give zerg 250 supply or make our units actually worth something. Infestors "counter" every point you just made, stop posting | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:45 Denzil wrote: So how do you feel Idra could of won those games after countering MC's early builds. Doesn't fucking matter, this still isn't the balance whine thread. But in my opinion, he spent too much time burrowed under forcefields. Going under one row is ok, two maybe, but 3 or 4 is too much, too many roaches died. He also could have gotten hydras sooner or infestors sooner. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
maybe naniwa, but def not white-ra, he has pretty poor crisis mangement. Anyway, I really wanted to see from infestors from Idra, infestor's just poop all over blink stalkers and shut down micro. :S wp MC though, he's truly a beast | ||
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PhaseTwo
United States118 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:46 7mk wrote: how can you have perfect macro on 4 bases and only manage to get out 5 corruptors vs 5 or 6 colossi? Thats not perfect to me. Would have really liked to see idra win but his engagement were always microed pretty poorly and anyone who says he couldnt have gotten fungal out in time in game 2 is wrong. Hope he works on his ZvP style a bit to finally beat some koreans ^^ he had more, they were not with the army | ||
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TriZen
England219 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:45 Fleebenworth wrote: How are so many people saying that Idra played well? He defended MC's openings in both games very well, but after that he really microed terribly, used poor unit comps, mis-rallied etc. I guarantee you Idra would tell you himself that he was mechanically spotty in those games. Both games he was ahead, but be built no infestors. Game 2 he just needed earlier hydras. I'm still not sure that he couldn't have worn down MC's stalker force with his superior economy. I think they are viewing it in the way that he played better than he performed at MLG. So he improved, but most of it is in attitude to taking on MC. He need's to figure out some better builds to use against the top tier of Protoss as his current Roach/Hydra is being picked apart by the better Protoss users executing builds that counter out his really well. In the main overview on just these two games, he didn't play too well and his builds failed. It's okay to have a big economic lead but if you don't have the units to defend it you aren't going to finish up happy. Hopefully he ups his practice time and figures out some new builds that can defeat what he is up against. | ||
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Greatness
United States450 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:45 Fleebenworth wrote: How are so many people saying that Idra played well? He defended MC's openings in both games very well, but after that he really microed terribly, used poor unit comps, mis-rallied etc. I guarantee you Idra would tell you himself that he was mechanically spotty in those games. Both games he was ahead, but be built no infestors. Game 2 he just needed earlier hydras. I'm still not sure that he couldn't have worn down MC's stalker force with his superior economy. I agree, he got the wrong upgrades for the wrong situation, and lost. MC didn't dedicate too much into DT's as well, so he wasn't too far behind. He scouted the third too late and didn't prepare for the allin. | ||
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jexxto
United Kingdom284 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:37 yowza wrote: This is by far one of the most entertaining threads to browse after every single idra loss. Also I guess you're happily ignoring the fact that losira steamrolled MC at MLG, so much for the imbalance tears  This pretty much. You guys are acting like MC isn't one of, if not THE best protoss in the world. You're also acting like IdrA didn't make any mistakes in these games. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:47 QTIP. wrote: maybe naniwa, but def not white-ra, he has pretty poor crisis mangement. Anyway, I really wanted to see from infestors from Idra, infestor's just poop all over blink stalkers and shut down micro. :S wp MC though, he's truly a beast Idra had Infestors at MLG and I think he fared worse as Hydra Infestor than he did here as Roach Hydra. | ||
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nira
United States116 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:46 PhaseTwo wrote: Infestors "counter" every point you just made, stop posting I agree IdrA should have gone with the hydra/infestor combination he lost to pure blink stalker with at MLG. But I guess he just needed lings also from what I hear | ||
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uproar
9 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:36 Mythal wrote: Mmmm relax dude, you are taking this waaaaay too seriously. Pity idra doesn't continues forward, I felt he deserved it after his lasts defeats on other tournaments. However, MC i such a beast... Yes, this guy takes it too seriously and is pretty raging but you have to realiz how much money MC has cost idra. Maybe the casters are just horrible (yes there are no question here) but from what they have shown us it is not understandable why idra lost and how protoss is able to come back and be succesful from risky openings that are scouted and responded to almost perfectly. I would really like to see these two games commentated by idra in the protip series and hear his honest opinion on if he has done nearly enough mistakes to lose to a protoss in this situation. | ||
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GhostKorean
United States2330 Posts
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Nawyria
Netherlands140 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:37 yowza wrote: This is by far one of the most entertaining threads to browse after every single idra loss. Also I guess you're happily ignoring the fact that losira steamrolled MC at MLG, so much for the imbalance tears You took the words right out of my mouth. Almost everytime IdrA loses, this thread is full of people calling out opponents' strategies as being the most broken thing in the world. As for game 1, while MC's stargate play didn't do a particular lot of damage, he was able to use his Void Rays quite nicely to hold off IdrA's push. In this engagement, some of IdrA's units were targeting geysers or the nexus and his Hydralisks split their damage between taking down MC's ground units and his Void Rays. When MC did lose his two colossi due to mismicro, IdrA had already lost quite a lot of units and was unable to seal the deal. Eventually, he ends up pulling back (a reasonable choice) to get a 4th up, but then gets caught horribly out of position when MC gets the jump on his corruptors and forcefields his Hydralisks an Roaches beautifully. In game 2, I'd attribute MC's victory to IdrA's positioning and army movement. When he engaged with his initial swell of Roaches, he did so through the choke between the ramps of MC's main and third, got forcefielded and retreated half his burrowed roaches under the forcefields while leaving the other half to die. When he engaged the second time, he again pushed through this choke and had to tunnel through a 3-layered wall of forcefields, losing many roaches in the process. Then when MC pushed, he used his blink to get an amazing concave on IdrA's army and combined with his upgrade advantage, took the game. Things would have gone quite differently if IdrA would have taken part of his army and did a flank from the ramp to MC's third, perhaps leading with a couple of zerglings. | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
On June 20 2011 05:46 Zeri wrote: sad to see idra beating himself again and again in big matches =( i dont think that was the case | ||
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