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Fleebenworth
Profile Joined April 2011
463 Posts
June 19 2011 20:45 GMT
#15361
How are so many people saying that Idra played well? He defended MC's openings in both games very well, but after that he really microed terribly, used poor unit comps, mis-rallied etc. I guarantee you Idra would tell you himself that he was mechanically spotty in those games.

Both games he was ahead, but be built no infestors. Game 2 he just needed earlier hydras. I'm still not sure that he couldn't have worn down MC's stalker force with his superior economy.
Az0r_au
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:45:56
June 19 2011 20:45 GMT
#15362
On June 20 2011 05:42 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:40 Az0r_au wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:36 ninjakingcola wrote:
Idra played well, yes. The problem was, his teck and upgrades were behind MC in the final engagement. Idra also had some questionable decisions trying to burrow under three layers of force-feilds. I'm loving Idra's fanbase reaction to his loss though, they sound just like him. XD


Don't you see why this is whats broken about protoss? MC opens with a HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY tech opening that does NOTHING and STILL ends up with a more cost effective army and better upgrades.

The DT's:

- Still gave him map control
- Made idra's investment in early roaches/lings completely useless
- Forced spines/spores
- Ended up killing 5-6 drones anyway..

so it wasn't as bad as it could've been had idra gone a more normal route.


Idra still got his 3rd up on time and MC was forced to cancel his natural nexus and 3rd repeatedly. So the units weren't worthless at all. He was ahead by 22 drones after the opening and up 2 bases to 1. Don't even try to justify coming back from that.
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
June 19 2011 20:45 GMT
#15363
On June 20 2011 05:44 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
WELL FUCK GUYS LETS JUST COME IN HERE AND SHIT UP THE FANCLUB

Please, this is the IdrA fanclub, not the Balance Whine Thread. What we should be saying is that IdrA played a couple fantastic games and nearly won them both, not herp derp I'll whine about balance in the IdrA fanclub just because IdrA doesn't think the game is balanced.

None of you are good enough for balance to matter. Please calm down before you post.


So how do you feel Idra could of won those games after countering MC's early builds.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:47:12
June 19 2011 20:46 GMT
#15364
On June 20 2011 05:42 cavalier117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:36 Fleebenworth wrote:
He needed earlier and more hydras in game two and he didn't build an infestor in either game. Blink stalkers are good against masses of low-range, low dps units(especially when you fall behind in upgrades).


Neither games lasted long enough for infestors.... they take SOO long to get out, especially with Pathogen glands being a MUST. game 1=corrupters being way more important to get b4 infestors. they couldnt even get out in time when he had 4 bases and PERFECT macro. game two didnt last near enough for infestors.

L2 build order times...


how can you have perfect macro on 4 bases and only manage to get out 5 corruptors vs 5 or 6 colossi? Thats not perfect to me.

Would have really liked to see idra win but his engagement were always microed pretty poorly and anyone who says he couldnt have gotten fungal out in time in game 2 is wrong.

Hope he works on his ZvP style a bit to finally beat some koreans ^^
beep boop
Zeri
Profile Joined March 2010
United States773 Posts
June 19 2011 20:46 GMT
#15365
sad to see idra beating himself again and again in big matches =(
You can think I'm wrong, but that's no reason to quit thinking.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
June 19 2011 20:46 GMT
#15366
On June 20 2011 05:44 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
WELL FUCK GUYS LETS JUST COME IN HERE AND SHIT UP THE FANCLUB

Please, this is the IdrA fanclub, not the Balance Whine Thread. What we should be saying is that IdrA played a couple fantastic games and nearly won them both, not herp derp I'll whine about balance in the IdrA fanclub just because IdrA doesn't think the game is balanced.

None of you are good enough for balance to matter. Please calm down before you post.


reporting is kind of fun though :p
whereismymind
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom717 Posts
June 19 2011 20:46 GMT
#15367
I think MC is just too good, I am 100% IdrA would beat another protoss with this lead. Don't have any other reply to this game.
one day.. i'll lose my mind
PhaseTwo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States118 Posts
June 19 2011 20:46 GMT
#15368
On June 20 2011 05:42 hemipepsis5p wrote:
Bottom line, Protoss has to many IMBA MID GAME UNITS. Sentries (possibly with Hallucinate), Blink Stalkers, and Immortals are fucking bullshit. Protoss can flood the mid-game with so many bullshit gimmicky units that zerg has no chance. Mis-rally or not he only lost 8 roaches, that would've died anyways. Imagine if you would Blink Roaches. Exactly, Imba as fuck. Protoss is a gimmicky BS baby-race. Blizzard take note. Give zerg 250 supply or make our units actually worth something.


Infestors "counter" every point you just made, stop posting
best dr pepper drinkin, kush smokin, gsl watchin diamond nerd baller brotoss ever
MonsieurGrimm
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada2441 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:48:31
June 19 2011 20:47 GMT
#15369
On June 20 2011 05:45 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:44 MonsieurGrimm wrote:
WELL FUCK GUYS LETS JUST COME IN HERE AND SHIT UP THE FANCLUB

Please, this is the IdrA fanclub, not the Balance Whine Thread. What we should be saying is that IdrA played a couple fantastic games and nearly won them both, not herp derp I'll whine about balance in the IdrA fanclub just because IdrA doesn't think the game is balanced.

None of you are good enough for balance to matter. Please calm down before you post.


So how do you feel Idra could of won those games after countering MC's early builds.

Doesn't fucking matter, this still isn't the balance whine thread.

But in my opinion, he spent too much time burrowed under forcefields. Going under one row is ok, two maybe, but 3 or 4 is too much, too many roaches died. He also could have gotten hydras sooner or infestors sooner.
"60% of the time, it works - every time" - Brian Fantana on Double Reactors All The Way // "Great minds discuss ideas; Average minds discuss events; Small minds discuss people." - Eleanor Roosevelt
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
June 19 2011 20:47 GMT
#15370
On June 20 2011 05:41 Xiaon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:40 Warrice wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:39 Valikyr wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:35 nazR wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:33 Greatness wrote:
The reason he lost in game 2 was because ,he was expecting a high sentry count, so he researched burrow and tunneling claws, combined with a long range expansion that takes a while to take effect, there is no surprise he lost. SC2 is balanced, any SMALL mistake gives the opponent an advantage in a timing push.


THERE WAS A HIGH SENTRY COUNT. Didn't you see all the forcefields ? comon dude SC2 is NOT balanced

Tell me one protoss you think would've won in that situation except MC. Also IdrA didn't handle the situation perfectly at all.

kiwikaki


naniwa
white-ra
you get the point


maybe naniwa, but def not white-ra, he has pretty poor crisis mangement.

Anyway, I really wanted to see from infestors from Idra, infestor's just poop all over blink stalkers and shut down micro. :S wp MC though, he's truly a beast
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
PhaseTwo
Profile Joined November 2010
United States118 Posts
June 19 2011 20:47 GMT
#15371
On June 20 2011 05:46 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:42 cavalier117 wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:36 Fleebenworth wrote:
He needed earlier and more hydras in game two and he didn't build an infestor in either game. Blink stalkers are good against masses of low-range, low dps units(especially when you fall behind in upgrades).


Neither games lasted long enough for infestors.... they take SOO long to get out, especially with Pathogen glands being a MUST. game 1=corrupters being way more important to get b4 infestors. they couldnt even get out in time when he had 4 bases and PERFECT macro. game two didnt last near enough for infestors.

L2 build order times...


how can you have perfect macro on 4 bases and only manage to get out 5 corruptors vs 5 or 6 colossi? Thats not perfect to me.

Would have really liked to see idra win but his engagement were always microed pretty poorly and anyone who says he couldnt have gotten fungal out in time in game 2 is wrong.

Hope he works on his ZvP style a bit to finally beat some koreans ^^


he had more, they were not with the army
best dr pepper drinkin, kush smokin, gsl watchin diamond nerd baller brotoss ever
TriZen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England219 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:47:53
June 19 2011 20:47 GMT
#15372
On June 20 2011 05:45 Fleebenworth wrote:
How are so many people saying that Idra played well? He defended MC's openings in both games very well, but after that he really microed terribly, used poor unit comps, mis-rallied etc. I guarantee you Idra would tell you himself that he was mechanically spotty in those games.

Both games he was ahead, but be built no infestors. Game 2 he just needed earlier hydras. I'm still not sure that he couldn't have worn down MC's stalker force with his superior economy.


I think they are viewing it in the way that he played better than he performed at MLG. So he improved, but most of it is in attitude to taking on MC. He need's to figure out some better builds to use against the top tier of Protoss as his current Roach/Hydra is being picked apart by the better Protoss users executing builds that counter out his really well.

In the main overview on just these two games, he didn't play too well and his builds failed. It's okay to have a big economic lead but if you don't have the units to defend it you aren't going to finish up happy. Hopefully he ups his practice time and figures out some new builds that can defeat what he is up against.
Greatness
Profile Joined May 2011
United States450 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:48:48
June 19 2011 20:47 GMT
#15373
On June 20 2011 05:45 Fleebenworth wrote:
How are so many people saying that Idra played well? He defended MC's openings in both games very well, but after that he really microed terribly, used poor unit comps, mis-rallied etc. I guarantee you Idra would tell you himself that he was mechanically spotty in those games.

Both games he was ahead, but be built no infestors. Game 2 he just needed earlier hydras. I'm still not sure that he couldn't have worn down MC's stalker force with his superior economy.

I agree, he got the wrong upgrades for the wrong situation, and lost. MC didn't dedicate too much into DT's as well, so he wasn't too far behind. He scouted the third too late and didn't prepare for the allin.
jexxto
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom284 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-19 20:49:04
June 19 2011 20:48 GMT
#15374
On June 20 2011 05:37 yowza wrote:
This is by far one of the most entertaining threads to browse after every single idra loss.

Also I guess you're happily ignoring the fact that losira steamrolled MC at MLG, so much for the imbalance tears


This pretty much.

You guys are acting like MC isn't one of, if not THE best protoss in the world. You're also acting like IdrA didn't make any mistakes in these games.
Multi Gaming Clan http://www.riffraffclan.co.uk
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
June 19 2011 20:48 GMT
#15375
On June 20 2011 05:47 QTIP. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:41 Xiaon wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:40 Warrice wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:39 Valikyr wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:35 nazR wrote:
On June 20 2011 05:33 Greatness wrote:
The reason he lost in game 2 was because ,he was expecting a high sentry count, so he researched burrow and tunneling claws, combined with a long range expansion that takes a while to take effect, there is no surprise he lost. SC2 is balanced, any SMALL mistake gives the opponent an advantage in a timing push.


THERE WAS A HIGH SENTRY COUNT. Didn't you see all the forcefields ? comon dude SC2 is NOT balanced

Tell me one protoss you think would've won in that situation except MC. Also IdrA didn't handle the situation perfectly at all.

kiwikaki


naniwa
white-ra
you get the point


maybe naniwa, but def not white-ra, he has pretty poor crisis mangement.

Anyway, I really wanted to see from infestors from Idra, infestor's just poop all over blink stalkers and shut down micro. :S wp MC though, he's truly a beast


Idra had Infestors at MLG and I think he fared worse as Hydra Infestor than he did here as Roach Hydra.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
nira
Profile Joined April 2010
United States116 Posts
June 19 2011 20:49 GMT
#15376
On June 20 2011 05:46 PhaseTwo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:42 hemipepsis5p wrote:
Bottom line, Protoss has to many IMBA MID GAME UNITS. Sentries (possibly with Hallucinate), Blink Stalkers, and Immortals are fucking bullshit. Protoss can flood the mid-game with so many bullshit gimmicky units that zerg has no chance. Mis-rally or not he only lost 8 roaches, that would've died anyways. Imagine if you would Blink Roaches. Exactly, Imba as fuck. Protoss is a gimmicky BS baby-race. Blizzard take note. Give zerg 250 supply or make our units actually worth something.


Infestors "counter" every point you just made, stop posting


I agree IdrA should have gone with the hydra/infestor combination he lost to pure blink stalker with at MLG. But I guess he just needed lings also from what I hear
uproar
Profile Joined June 2011
9 Posts
June 19 2011 20:49 GMT
#15377
On June 20 2011 05:36 Mythal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2011 05:32 starsucks wrote:
Even though I knew exactly this would happen and as you know I predicted it

I CAN NOT FUCKING EXPRESS MY FUCKING HATE TOWARDS EVERYTHING RIGHT NOW!!!!!

FUCK THIS GAME!!!! FUCK THIS STUPID DAY 9 GUY WHO HAS NO IDEA OF THIS FUCKING GAME!!! FUCK THIS FUCKING SHIT GAME WHICH IS IMBALANCED AS FUCK!!!! FUCK PROTOSS!!! FUCK EVERYTHING!!!!

idra played so fucking well in both games but why even try. Why even try if there's fuckin shit like this. Just Forcefields and blink. FUCK EVERYTHING.

And last but not least I'll take a fucking shit in this stupid "unit counting station".



Mmmm relax dude, you are taking this waaaaay too seriously.

Pity idra doesn't continues forward, I felt he deserved it after his lasts defeats on other tournaments. However, MC i such a beast...

Yes, this guy takes it too seriously and is pretty raging but you have to realiz how much money MC has cost idra. Maybe the casters are just horrible (yes there are no question here) but from what they have shown us it is not understandable why idra lost and how protoss is able to come back and be succesful from risky openings that are scouted and responded to almost perfectly.

I would really like to see these two games commentated by idra in the protip series and hear his honest opinion on if he has done nearly enough mistakes to lose to a protoss in this situation.
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
June 19 2011 20:50 GMT
#15378
I agree it would be very interesting to see IdrA's take on his own analysis of his games
Nawyria
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands140 Posts
June 19 2011 20:51 GMT
#15379
On June 20 2011 05:37 yowza wrote:
This is by far one of the most entertaining threads to browse after every single idra loss.

Also I guess you're happily ignoring the fact that losira steamrolled MC at MLG, so much for the imbalance tears

You took the words right out of my mouth. Almost everytime IdrA loses, this thread is full of people calling out opponents' strategies as being the most broken thing in the world.

As for game 1, while MC's stargate play didn't do a particular lot of damage, he was able to use his Void Rays quite nicely to hold off IdrA's push. In this engagement, some of IdrA's units were targeting geysers or the nexus and his Hydralisks split their damage between taking down MC's ground units and his Void Rays. When MC did lose his two colossi due to mismicro, IdrA had already lost quite a lot of units and was unable to seal the deal. Eventually, he ends up pulling back (a reasonable choice) to get a 4th up, but then gets caught horribly out of position when MC gets the jump on his corruptors and forcefields his Hydralisks an Roaches beautifully.

In game 2, I'd attribute MC's victory to IdrA's positioning and army movement. When he engaged with his initial swell of Roaches, he did so through the choke between the ramps of MC's main and third, got forcefielded and retreated half his burrowed roaches under the forcefields while leaving the other half to die. When he engaged the second time, he again pushed through this choke and had to tunnel through a 3-layered wall of forcefields, losing many roaches in the process. Then when MC pushed, he used his blink to get an amazing concave on IdrA's army and combined with his upgrade advantage, took the game. Things would have gone quite differently if IdrA would have taken part of his army and did a flank from the ramp to MC's third, perhaps leading with a couple of zerglings.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
June 19 2011 20:51 GMT
#15380
On June 20 2011 05:46 Zeri wrote:
sad to see idra beating himself again and again in big matches =(


i dont think that was the case
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