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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
On August 08 2010 00:21 Whole wrote: Okay you build three spine crawlers near the edge of the cliff. Now the Terran either outranges the Spine Crawlers with the tank if he is doing all tank/no Marines cliff drop. It will stall time, which is good. But if they do a Marine/Tank drop, the Marines will deny Overlord vision and since you have slow Overlords, it is unlikely to have more than 2 trying to get vision. Or the Terran can retreat and do a decently effective Marine/Tank push because you have 3 out of place Crawlers and Marines will be pretty buff with a Medivac healing them. If you try to end it with a counter drop, it is all-in because you spent 450 Minerals on Spine Crawlers, 300/300 on early Overlord upgrades, and you're cutting drones to get an army to counter drop. Once they get about 3-5 Thors, your Mutalisks will start being less and less effective. You're Mutalisks will eventually need to stack to kill Thors. It works little in the early game, (that is where resources are limited so it isn't a very effective method) but not in the late game. you should already have 3 overlords on your cliff if you see tech lab on factory and no hellions theres no way the marines are going to kill them especially with speed tech about to finish ...and if you see him actually move out of his base then you can reposition the crawlers i have seen idra defend the cliff drop before its not impossible and thors can definitely be killed by mutas late game if you have 2-3 control groups and dont A-move, you can kill thor if you have a 4:1 ratio (which is a 2:1 gas ratio) and if they skimp on tanks then you can just roll over him with ling/baneling the main reason killing thors with mutas is so hard is because of 1) repair and 2) their range which can be diverted by ling/banelings going in first if you're on top of the thors before they get their ranged volleys off you can easily get more efficient kills on a thor army I was defending idra's play because the guy i quoted acts like idra doesn't know how to play starcraft zvt is imbalanced we already know | ||
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SC2Phoenix
Canada2814 Posts
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Khai
Australia553 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On August 08 2010 01:33 Khai wrote: Idra-rage! LOL, the guy is a great player but his manners are just plain bad, nonetheless entertaining and I can count myself as a fan of his coz I would really want to watch his games just to see him rage =D If not he can always put up a good game and win? Maybe insult the opponent at the same time lolz. People like you with the constant "IDRA RAGE LOLOLOL" makes everyone pissed off, except the morons who really dont understand why he does "RAGE". | ||
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brad drac
Ireland202 Posts
To use a wrestling term, idra is a "heel". He's the guy the fans love to hate. Sure, we all outwardly disprove of his constant bm, but deep down I'm sure most of us love it for the lulz is provides. I really don't see HD and husky being hypocritical for casting his games, they clearly know he's a great player and I don't see how it's wrong to make fun of his douchery. | ||
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Kolvacs
Canada1203 Posts
Idra ftw. end of story. | ||
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brad drac
Ireland202 Posts
On August 08 2010 01:45 Kolvacs wrote: He "Rages" because he has like 45 minute game plans, and he looses to someone in 15 minutes, im pretty sure we would all rage. Idra ftw. end of story. Do you really think a 45 minute game plan is a great idea in a game as dynamic and fast moving as SC2? Surely reacting to your opponents is a better idea than just blindly following a plan by rote and hoping your opponent obliges you by not making the units that beat it. I'm not saying idra's bad, he's clearly a total beast, but think about how much better he'd be if he learned to played creatively instead of relying entirely on superior mechanics. | ||
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AncienTs
Japan227 Posts
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Grettin
42381 Posts
On August 08 2010 01:49 brad drac wrote: Do you really think a 45 minute game plan is a great idea in a game as dynamic and fast moving as SC2? Surely reacting to your opponents is a better idea than just blindly following a plan by rote and hoping your opponent obliges you by not making the units that beat it. I'm not saying idra's bad, he's clearly a total beast, but think about how much better he'd be if he learned to played creatively instead of relying entirely on superior mechanics. For zerg it is. Idra hate's cheese, and if you want to win a game in 10-15 minutes, as zerg it usually counts as a cheese/all-in. Assuming that the players are at the same skill level and it's not ZvZ. :p Atleast this is how i understand it. Idra or any other good zerg should tell how the things are. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On August 08 2010 01:45 Kolvacs wrote: He "Rages" because he has like 45 minute game plans, and he looses to someone in 15 minutes, im pretty sure we would all rage. Idra ftw. end of story. This isn't an excuse to be an immature child. Plenty of people show self-control in this situation. It's IdrA's fault for being arrogant enough to think that you should only play late macro games and not preparing for anything in the early game. He's had this stuck up attitude ever since he started playing and he's never going to be truly the best until he actually learns to adapt. | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
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brad drac
Ireland202 Posts
On August 08 2010 01:53 Grettin wrote: For zerg it is. Idra hate's cheese, and if you want to win a game in 10-15 minutes, as zerg it usually counts as a cheese/all-in. Assuming that the players are at the same skill level and it's not ZvZ. :p Atleast this is how i understand it. Idra or any other good zerg should tell how the things are. Zerg is my favourite race, and I too play a macro style, but following a 45 minute plan by rote is just ignoring zerg's biggest strength, the fact they can transition from one unit mix to another almost instantly to react to whatever their opponent is doing thanks to larval production. Also, winning in 10-15 minutes is only all in if you commit more than you need to to it without the possibility of a transition if your push fails. If you see a weakness in your opponent you can exploit to win at 10 minutes, you're a damn fool if you don't. | ||
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Stratos
Czech Republic6104 Posts
 IdrA fighting! A neverending amusement in the esport scene. | ||
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MaxField
United States2386 Posts
I for one think he is the best zerg playing SC2 and almost the best player. Sure he may have his bad games (for instance the games vs silver that Husky casted) but he did manage to win the KOTB and do quite well in other tournaments. I am an IdrA fan because i think his games are fun regardless of whether or not he"rages". I think that his play-style is very skilled and i have learned a lot from watching it. Him not saying "GG" or calling someone a fag for doing a strat does not make him a bad person. I am sure everyone has gotten upset with a lose, especially if you happen to be in some kind of tournament IdrA Fan for EV's!!! | ||
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Joroth
United States318 Posts
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virgozero
Canada412 Posts
IdrA: fucking ridiculous isnt it He talking about the lack of scouting ability // game balance 9:38 IdrA has left the game he leaves 0:25 IdrA: 4 Terrans top 8 0:26 IdrA: you beat me 0:28 IdrA: drewbie beat huk 0:31 IdrA: makes perfect sense says terrans are OP // game balance 0:40 Silver: what u want me to say ?? he never asked you to say anything... 0:45 IdrA: apologize for playing that race a joke 0:52 Silver: man I'm just playing the game 0:59 IdrA: and taking wins you dont deserve Idra just being dumb 1:06 Silver: right, and you do 1:11 IdrA: yes 1:11 IdrA: i do 1:23 Silver: did your mom tell you your special? silver attacks idra.... 1:30 IdrA: no but im actually good 1:38 IdrA: you just abuse idiocy again Idra just says something thats really stupid. No where in this dialogue did Idra attack Silver personally. Silver on the other hand does. Idra says silver's win are not justified because of his imbalanced race, this could be A.) true or B.) Idra is dumb (i prefer this one) But in the end, neither reflects that Idra is ATTACKING Silver personally. Silver on the other hand says "did your mom tell you your special" , I am sure we all know the implication there. ------------------------------------ For all those Fks out there saying Idra cries too much, honestly look at your self. Everytime you get cheesed by a cannon rush or a proxy 2 gate you cry just as much. You go OMG NOOB, BM BM BM !! And you just leave without GG. Well great you found your own standard of the game, you don't think early tactics should be viable in SC2. now tell me this, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN YOU AND IDRA? Idra thinks macro is the way the game is meant to be played, early all-in are No-No's. You are just the same as Idra with a different standard. Next time you laugh at Idra crying, you should have a look at what you say yourself when you loose to cheese, if not typed out, thought out. I am sure you would have at least said "god dammmit this guy is a nooob he probably cheeses every game" which is if not as dumb, dumber than what Idra says. And this applies for 99% of the players out there. What Am I saying: You guys are no different than Idra. | ||
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FrontalMonkey
United States90 Posts
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virgozero
Canada412 Posts
On August 08 2010 05:47 FrontalMonkey wrote: What I don't understand is why idra can't work himself into a more conservative build that would protect him from an early game rush. Does he lack the tools as zerg or is he just stubborn? I'm asking honestly, because I feel like he continually goes for the risky econ builds. Protip: if you always use risky econ builds and you're eFamous (tm), then people will know you always use risky econ builds and will know how to beat you. it simple, idra hasn't seen what silver did before. In all other cases, Idra does in fact alter his build as much as he thinks its needed. Hes usually very ballsy and does not back off from FExpanding where most of us lesser players would be afraid to do. | ||
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brad drac
Ireland202 Posts
On August 08 2010 05:37 virgozero wrote: For all those Fks out there saying Idra cries too much, honestly look at your self. Everytime you get cheesed by a cannon rush or a proxy 2 gate you cry just as much. You go OMG NOOB, BM BM BM !! And you just leave without GG. Well great you found your own standard of the game, you don't think early tactics should be viable in SC2. now tell me this, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN YOU AND IDRA? Idra thinks macro is the way the game is meant to be played, early all-in are No-No's. You are just the same as Idra with a different standard. Next time you laugh at Idra crying, you should have a look at what you say yourself when you loose to cheese, if not typed out, thought out. I am sure you would have at least said "god dammmit this guy is a nooob he probably cheeses every game" which is if not as dumb, dumber than what Idra says. And this applies for 99% of the players out there. What Am I saying: You guys are no different than Idra. Make blanket assumptions much? When I lose to cheese, I realise it was my own fault for not scouting and reacting appropriately. I'll admit I don't gg on those occasions, because losing in the first 5 minutes does not actually constitute a good game to me. I never insult the person I'm playing against though, I don't know them and I can't tell how good they are based on a cheesey opening. I'm pretty sure the vast majority of good players realise that there are no unbeatable strategies or cheeses and if someone loses repeatedly to cannon rushes or 2 gates they are kind of noobish themselves, and who cares if noobs call other noobs noobs? The difference between me and idra is I don't bitch and moan about imbalances and call the other player bad(see: idra vs silver) when I straight up get outplayed. What you're saying is probably true for 99% of youtube commenters, but I'd hope there'd be a higher percentage of sensible people here. I suppose I should explain why I have a problem with idra's BM too. Idra is unquestionably one of the best sc2 players in the world. As such, he gets A LOT of exposure. His childish antics reinforce existing negative stereotypes of gamers as antisocial, immature fuckheads(see: xbox live) when this stereotype thankfully does not hold true for the majority of the dedicated starcraft community. So in short, idra makes the rest of us look bad to outside observers. | ||
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