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Kexx
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany240 Posts
August 08 2010 01:15 GMT
#481
IdrA really should start his own stream, but he would probably take it down 20 minutes later :[
a replay pack of some of his random ladder matches would be awesome though.
Even if it only contains his wins.
chooooch
jamesr12
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1549 Posts
August 08 2010 01:18 GMT
#482
On August 08 2010 10:05 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 09:59 virgozero wrote:
If you complain that the terran has too versatility to be aggresive and still transiition, well then don't fast expand be aggresive to him back.


What does Zerg have to be aggressive with? Mutalisks are the only decent thing, but it is ridiculously easy to scout and Missile Turrets/Marines/Thors are way too effective against them.


not really easy to scout, you can hide a spire litteraly anywhere, you get overlord creep spew the exact time you can build a spire, get the overlord in postion where ever you want spew creep build spire anywhere.

terran is still OP though
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306479
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 23:41:40
August 08 2010 01:23 GMT
#483
On August 08 2010 10:18 jamesr12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 10:05 Whole wrote:
On August 08 2010 09:59 virgozero wrote:
If you complain that the terran has too versatility to be aggresive and still transiition, well then don't fast expand be aggresive to him back.


What does Zerg have to be aggressive with? Mutalisks are the only decent thing, but it is ridiculously easy to scout and Missile Turrets/Marines/Thors are way too effective against them.


not really easy to scout, you can hide a spire litteraly anywhere, you get overlord creep spew the exact time you can build a spire, get the overlord in postion where ever you want spew creep build spire anywhere.

terran is still OP though


If you do (Wiki)1 Base Muta (vs. Terran) then it is easy because Lair before fast expansion makes it obvious to what you're going to do. If you do a fast expansion first, then Hellions poking around will see no Roaches so you could have a pretty good idea that Mutalisks are coming. If you do Roaches and Fast Expand, then those are late Mutalisks and he should have a few Thors or Marines already.

On August 08 2010 10:15 Kexx wrote:
IdrA really should start his own stream, but he would probably take it down 20 minutes later :[
a replay pack of some of his random ladder matches would be awesome though.
Even if it only contains his wins.


IDK if it is IdrA or the progaming team he is on, but he won't/can't release replay packs or stream games because he/his team does not want opponents studying him. I remember he beat orb's proxy Stargate in the HDH because he saw orb practice it on his stream. (<- NVM)
virgozero
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada412 Posts
August 08 2010 01:59 GMT
#484
On August 08 2010 10:05 Whole wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 09:59 virgozero wrote:
If you complain that the terran has too versatility to be aggresive and still transiition, well then don't fast expand be aggresive to him back.


What does Zerg have to be aggressive with? Mutalisks are the only decent thing, but it is ridiculously easy to scout and Missile Turrets/Marines/Thors are way too effective against them.

Have you heard of banelings? roaches? zerglings?

Please don't tell me none of those can be aggresive, in which yes I would agree with you.

anyways this is Idra's fan club thread so lets stop the TvZ balance here and focus more on idra.



Lets all discuss on how idra will do in the HDH2 !!!
virgozero
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada412 Posts
August 08 2010 02:02 GMT
#485
On August 08 2010 10:18 jamesr12 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 10:05 Whole wrote:
On August 08 2010 09:59 virgozero wrote:
If you complain that the terran has too versatility to be aggresive and still transiition, well then don't fast expand be aggresive to him back.


What does Zerg have to be aggressive with? Mutalisks are the only decent thing, but it is ridiculously easy to scout and Missile Turrets/Marines/Thors are way too effective against them.


not really easy to scout, you can hide a spire litteraly anywhere, you get overlord creep spew the exact time you can build a spire, get the overlord in postion where ever you want spew creep build spire anywhere.

terran is still OP though

sigh
it was also mentioned on glhf's cast saying how easy it is for Toss to proxy stargate and now you say its easy for zerg to hide tech.

Guess what , suprise suprise, terrans can just build.. ANYWHERE, they dont need creep, they dont need pylons.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
August 08 2010 02:06 GMT
#486
On August 08 2010 10:59 virgozero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 10:05 Whole wrote:
On August 08 2010 09:59 virgozero wrote:
If you complain that the terran has too versatility to be aggresive and still transiition, well then don't fast expand be aggresive to him back.


What does Zerg have to be aggressive with? Mutalisks are the only decent thing, but it is ridiculously easy to scout and Missile Turrets/Marines/Thors are way too effective against them.

Have you heard of banelings? roaches? zerglings?

Please don't tell me none of those can be aggresive, in which yes I would agree with you.


Banelings are useless versus decent walls. Roaches do poo-poo DPS and can't break a wall. Marauders and unsieged tanks also rape them. Zerglings are only good for denying 3rd+ expansions. Terran will amass an decent army before getting a third.

Lets all discuss on how idra will do in the HDH2 !!!


He will win ezpz =)
xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 08 2010 02:42 GMT
#487
On August 08 2010 06:03 Qwerty. wrote:
can any korean speaker translate the comments here http://www.playxp.com/sc2/replays/view.php?article_id=2006037&page=3
I want to see what they think of his play or recognize his manner

According to Google Translate they are talking something about ladder points and fast expand tactics.

On August 08 2010 06:10 Oleksandr wrote:50 million trolls are always wrong.

Golden quote. :D
brad drac
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland202 Posts
August 08 2010 02:53 GMT
#488
Pro tip: don't try to break a turtling terran. This just seems like common sense to me in ANY matchup. Also, the point of mutas isn't to do ZOMGWTF damage for the whole game, it's to pin terran to his base while you expand and to force him to get static defence instead of units he can use to actively kill you. It also ASTOUNDS me how zerg players seem to ignore the existence of brood lords entirely. If you want a good laugh, attack a bio ball with siege tanks behind it with brood lords and watch the tanks obliterate their own troops.

Here's an earnest suggestion to any and all zerg players out there. Rather than just constantly crying terran imbalance constantly, how about pretending there isn't any imbalance(not that I really think there is much personally) and rather than just imitating builds you can see don't seem to be working well, try thinking creatively about the units available and try to use terran's weakness against them. These main weaknesses would be utter immobility as mech and, well just plain banelings for bio. Make extra overlords so you can sac them for scouting if you think they might be going banshee, if they are just make some extra queens if you don't have lair tech yet. I really don't get what's so insurmountable about this.
Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know.
Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
August 08 2010 03:14 GMT
#489
On August 08 2010 11:53 brad drac wrote:
Pro tip: don't try to break a turtling terran. This just seems like common sense to me in ANY matchup. Also, the point of mutas isn't to do ZOMGWTF damage for the whole game, it's to pin terran to his base while you expand and to force him to get static defence instead of units he can use to actively kill you. It also ASTOUNDS me how zerg players seem to ignore the existence of brood lords entirely. If you want a good laugh, attack a bio ball with siege tanks behind it with brood lords and watch the tanks obliterate their own troops.

Here's an earnest suggestion to any and all zerg players out there. Rather than just constantly crying terran imbalance constantly, how about pretending there isn't any imbalance(not that I really think there is much personally) and rather than just imitating builds you can see don't seem to be working well, try thinking creatively about the units available and try to use terran's weakness against them. These main weaknesses would be utter immobility as mech and, well just plain banelings for bio. Make extra overlords so you can sac them for scouting if you think they might be going banshee, if they are just make some extra queens if you don't have lair tech yet. I really don't get what's so insurmountable about this.


Do you even play this game or are you still in this fantasy that somehow terran need science vessels still before they can leave their base? This isn't exactly broodwar dude. Well duh but terran has so many units with bonus to light armor it isn't even funny. Have fun massing some defense when some terran player with good micro is running around your base freely with nitro boosted reapers raping your units and you can't get speed early enough to touch them. The average player won't be able to defend that and I'll take bets on that also. Be a much better game, in my opinion, if damage was normalized across the board but Blizzard seems to think otherwise. Anyway I rather not derail this thread that is supposed to be celebrating Idra's skill as a player with boring balance talk. GL in HDH2 and GSL Idra.

There's no S in KT. :P
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
August 08 2010 03:26 GMT
#490
Spit on all Terran players. Show no mercy. BM to the end.
rip passion
brad drac
Profile Joined May 2010
Ireland202 Posts
August 08 2010 03:45 GMT
#491
On August 08 2010 12:14 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2010 11:53 brad drac wrote:
Pro tip: don't try to break a turtling terran. This just seems like common sense to me in ANY matchup. Also, the point of mutas isn't to do ZOMGWTF damage for the whole game, it's to pin terran to his base while you expand and to force him to get static defence instead of units he can use to actively kill you. It also ASTOUNDS me how zerg players seem to ignore the existence of brood lords entirely. If you want a good laugh, attack a bio ball with siege tanks behind it with brood lords and watch the tanks obliterate their own troops.

Here's an earnest suggestion to any and all zerg players out there. Rather than just constantly crying terran imbalance constantly, how about pretending there isn't any imbalance(not that I really think there is much personally) and rather than just imitating builds you can see don't seem to be working well, try thinking creatively about the units available and try to use terran's weakness against them. These main weaknesses would be utter immobility as mech and, well just plain banelings for bio. Make extra overlords so you can sac them for scouting if you think they might be going banshee, if they are just make some extra queens if you don't have lair tech yet. I really don't get what's so insurmountable about this.


Do you even play this game or are you still in this fantasy that somehow terran need science vessels still before they can leave their base? This isn't exactly broodwar dude. Well duh but terran has so many units with bonus to light armor it isn't even funny. Have fun massing some defense when some terran player with good micro is running around your base freely with nitro boosted reapers raping your units and you can't get speed early enough to touch them. The average player won't be able to defend that and I'll take bets on that also. Be a much better game, in my opinion, if damage was normalized across the board but Blizzard seems to think otherwise. Anyway I rather not derail this thread that is supposed to be celebrating Idra's skill as a player with boring balance talk. GL in HDH2 and GSL Idra.


You got it backwards. I've never actually played BW online. Reapers actually take quite a long time(40s each) to build, and if you scout a tech lab on T's first rax, you should probably assume reapers and if you scout double gas, probably assume mass reapers. At this point, just stop droning altogether(you can pump a LOT of lings on relatively few drones), get an extra queen if possible and get ling speed asap. If it was a very fast rax, 11 or lower supply, he'll probably get a few drone kills and wipe out most of your zerglings, but if you micro reasonably well the economic hit you take should be equivalent to what T has suffered from opting for early harass instead of macro. Delayed reapers shouldn't cause much problem if you're one basing, as you probably went gas first anyway and should have speed in time to deal with it. If you're 2 basing you'll probably suffer a bit of a hit to economy, but you'll be able to make more queens and the extra larva the second hatch provide mean you'll be able to keep your queens in good defensive positions and drop creep tumours rather than having to worry about spawning larva constantly. Once you hold off the attack you'll have an extra base to make up for any economic damage you suffered. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.

I suppose I should apologise for derailing the thread too. I just hate how idra seems to have inspired this trend of zergs crying imbalance. I strongly believe the majority of those QQing probably aren't actually good enough(ie. very top diamond) to know balance well and are just doing it because everyone else is. I'm not saying idra himself falls into this category, he's an awesome player clearly. I just wish he'd take a leaf out of TLO or tester or sen's book and played with a little more imagination rather than just complaining when the plan he refuses to deviate from doesn't work.
Saying what we think gives us a wider conversational range than saying what we know.
teemh
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada120 Posts
August 08 2010 04:00 GMT
#492
Idra is like the Phil Hellmuth of Starcraft
tangwhat
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand446 Posts
August 08 2010 07:02 GMT
#493
On August 08 2010 13 teemh wrote:
Idra is like the Phil Hellmuth of Starcraft


Wrong because IdrA is actually good at playing his chosen game.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 07:43:00
August 08 2010 07:42 GMT
#494
ok guys, as much as i hated Idra in Bw he tuned down the random nerdrage to quality BM whivh is great, i m realy sick of all the "professionals" who claim evertyhing is fine and perfect, and GGin in ladder and everywhere is mandatory. And he swithced from Terran to Zerg, so that's like +5 instantly on a 10 grades scale. Bottom line is, i m hijacking his line which he used against Drewbie
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Blackhawk13
Profile Joined April 2010
United States442 Posts
August 08 2010 08:34 GMT
#495
idra spices things up, im glad he has BM
eiswand
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany44 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-08 11:35:57
August 08 2010 11:26 GMT
#496
I just looked one replay of him vs drewbie and Idra acted like a little 11 year old kiddie; he was constantly flaming the other player and whining how OP terrans are (and always were). Seems like he really has some manner problems. What a nerdy retard

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friendlybus
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia78 Posts
August 08 2010 11:30 GMT
#497
I just saw Idra play Silver and lose twice. Christ does he rage like a little kid. You'd think if he was so pro he wouldn't need to abuse his opponent in chat. And for crying out loud just play terran if they're so bloody op. How arrogant is he to sit there inside a nerfed race and bitch that people beat him because they picked a better race. Such a douche.

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xtfftc
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2343 Posts
August 08 2010 11:40 GMT
#498
It's nice to see so many Terran players in IdrA's fanclub, it takes an extraordinary player to stick to one race and have fans from all three.
Lemii
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands17 Posts
August 08 2010 11:47 GMT
#499
On August 08 2010 20:30 friendlybus wrote:
I just saw Idra play Silver and lose twice. Christ does he rage like a little kid. You'd think if he was so pro he wouldn't need to abuse his opponent in chat. And for crying out loud just play terran if they're so bloody op. How arrogant is he to sit there inside a nerfed race and bitch that people beat him because they picked a better race. Such a douche.


This.

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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 08 2010 11:49 GMT
#500
On August 08 2010 20:40 xtfftc wrote:
It's nice to see so many Terran players in IdrA's fanclub, it takes an extraordinary player to stick to one race and have fans from all three.

Well, he played Terran in Broodwar, and I imagine that at least some of his Terran BW fans didn't switch race coming into SC2.
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