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On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?" That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW. When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming. Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over. Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy.
I actually laughed out loud when I read your post. It's a bit silly saying Destiny is wrong when you basically repeat what he said. It's a bit silly.
Idra didn't play poorly in that game, far from it. He read Avenge like a book and reacted perfectly. The drone count and timings, scouting he had were nearly perfect. The only reason P won was because he got into Idra's base and used FF correctly.
Destiny said Idra played near perfect and then lost, STUPIDLY, because P won the game by just getting his army in the right place. And Destiny is right. The all-in was nothing special yet it wins games. It's one of the reasons Idra says the game is shit.
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On February 03 2012 23:42 cydial wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 23:16 Junichi wrote:On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:On February 03 2012 18:35 AidoS wrote:http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny#/watch/431475there ya go, destiny analysing idra vs avenge, says why greg lost everyone should watch, he says some importend stuff starts after 60 min + Show Spoiler +Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?"
That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW.
When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming.
Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over.
Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy. Funny how you start with "Destiny is wrong." and then proceed to point out what Destiny himself said IdrA could have done better in his opinion. Imo, you are right, as is Destiny, in that that could have helped, but no one knows for sure. If you read my post you'd see the quote. Destiny said he played so perfectly and I'm disagreeing because Idra actually played poorly.
Game one he basically played perfectly. What did he do wrong other than let the protoss get perfect positioning? And game 2 he made the mistake of going muta instead of anticipating another all-in.
I don't understand how you think Destiny's wrong..>_>
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ye idra never tries to be aggressive in games.. and when he tries he wins..(remember hydra, spine pushes)
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On February 04 2012 00:31 ambient_orange wrote:
ye idra never tries to be aggressive in games.. and when he tries he wins..(remember hydra, spine pushes)
That was back to when he was all-ining against protoss. He should go back to that.
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I still remember the idra from the days when he first came back from korea...what was that amazing drop play with hydra roach and extreme abuse on protoss?and where is it now?
Edit: not saying he is bad now...far from it,his play is still crystal clear but those days were amazing ..he was playing extremely well back then
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On February 04 2012 00:52 Tulkas25 wrote:
I still remember the idra from the days when he first came back from korea...what was that amazing drop play with hydra roach and extreme abuse on protoss?and where is it now?
Edit: not saying he is bad now...far from it,his play is still crystal clear but those days were amazing ..he was playing extremely well back then
No the difference is that other players has gotten way much better at this game as a whole, while his play has been the same for a long time now, there is the true difference.
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On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?" That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW. When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming. Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over. Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy.
just wanted to say that idra always knew the push was coming and droned until the right amount (not as soon as he saw what build it was, that's just silly)
and I really disagree with your opinion.
if he attacked in mid map (which he had 20 roaches and 20 lings against around a zealot, 9 stalkers, 9 sentries with around half energy plus 2 immortals), he would just lose around half his stuff, kill off maybe 4 stalkers, some sentries and the zealot, then lose to the now reinforced army because the immortals are not dead
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fighting at doorstep is ok if he isn't FF the ramp
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only bads say something is impossible to hold in a game as if no amount of skill will matter.
The trick to a horrible situation is to not have yourself in a horrible situation. Thats why better players make fewer mistakes.Thats why good drivers on the road dont have as much accidents as retarded drivers, because retarded drivers put themselfs into stupid situations where its inevitable that they will crash the car at some point. Prevention is better than cure.
Ive never heard stephano complain about protoss, yet it comes from idras mouth all the time.Ive never heard sheth complain about protoss. Learn the matchup , dont overdrone and go all in more. Dont just play every game passively, make calculated risks like "okay x player is very likely to do 2 base push on this map, he thinks im gonna play standard, ive got a surprise for him". Biggest problem with idras play is he is not comfortable doing an all in because he thinks its coinflippy. Players that analyse his play would know they can do really greedy stuff or perfectly excuted timing pushes on him .
Whats the difference between idra and leenock? HUGEEEEEEEEEEEE difference. leenock is wayyyyy better than idra, because his play varies alot. a protoss playing against leenock is scared of all in all the time, a protoss playing against idra is wondering how much he can toy with idra.
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On February 03 2012 21:46 cydial wrote:Destiny is wrong. Why do people say stupid shit like, "He played so perfectly, but there was nothing he could do?" That makes no fucking sense. If you lose a game it's YOUR fault. It doesn't matter if you're a pro or not, what you've done in the past has no bearing on what is happening in the game NOW. When idra saw the robo, saw the gateways, saw the lack of probe production, he knew it was coming. Why oh why do zerg insist on trying to defend an all in like this AT THEIR BASE? If you lose the fight mid map then at least you have the chance to remax and start up static defense. If you lose the fight at your doorstep? It's over. Idra should've started making units as soon as he saw what the build was, especially one that is an all in. Engage the army at one of the watch towers and force force fields from the protoss away from his base. The lack of energy on the sentries will allow for a much stronger defense of his natural / main when the 2nd wave of protoss units come with sentries next to dry on energy.
You should go watch it again because you totally missed the point. And also yeah, that's what he said.
Ehm. Great? Also.. a little irrelevant?
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What's the point...FF is what makes protoss early pushes hard to deal with.
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Idra couldn't really stop him from getting that positioing either as he had to drone to that number to have sufficient income and then pump units and the units came there as fast as they could but protoss still got the positioning.
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That first game was really tough. Idra played and scouted very well but still lost. I think the counter attack was a relatively large mistake. As destiny noted he was probably trying to coax a warp in out of avenge but instead it simply made Avenge's path to Idra's third that much easier. It would have been much better to simply harass the main army with that small force and try to delay Avenge's push a bit or force out a few FFs. Idra was on three base with a macro hatch and four gasses and 56 drones. If left alone for two minutes he could have nearly maxed out and crushed Avenge's army no matter how good the FFs. He just needed a bit more time and a bit better positioning.
In the second game, idra defended well and I really like the ling run bys even if they didn't accomplish a tremendous amount, they were still reasonably effective and didn't allow the protoss to simply impose his will on Idra -- nice play by Idra. But idra's decision to go muta when the Protoss didn't have a third (and thus a two-base all in was still an option) and 4 phoenixes were on the map was truly baffling. 10 or so mutas do not do well against four phoenixes by themselves, let alone with stalker and sentry support. I think Idra had worked out a muta based strategy for the map and didn't want to deviate from it even though the situation seemed to warrant it.
I agree with an earlier poster that Idra should perhaps go back to a more aggressive strategy (hydra drops, etc.). Even with very good info, Idra has shown time and time again that he does not make the right decisions against Protoss for whatever reason. He has very good mechanics though and mechanics are most critical if you have an aggressive strategy because you need as many units as possible as fast as possible.
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idra vs july on july's stream, right now!
gogo idra~~
:D
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On February 04 2012 02:48 KenChan wrote:
ahahahahahah
Pardon?
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On February 04 2012 02:44 pac.558 wrote:
idra vs july on july's stream, right now!
gogo idra~~
:D
Who won? (Or was it just trolling and that is why the next post was just laughing? I'm confused...)
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On February 04 2012 02:54 Junichi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2012 02:44 pac.558 wrote:
idra vs july on july's stream, right now!
gogo idra~~
:D Who won? (Or was it just trolling and that is why the next post was just laughing?)
Only saw the end of the game, where Idra tried a big Bling attack and left without a gg when he saw July had spines and queens. Had just turned on the stream though, so I don't know any of the details.
Dunno about the loller. Probably some random troll
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Ok, thank you. Too bad he didn't win...
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On February 04 2012 01:31 jinixxx123 wrote:
only bads say something is impossible to hold in a game as if no amount of skill will matter.
The trick to a horrible situation is to not have yourself in a horrible situation. Thats why better players make fewer mistakes.Thats why good drivers on the road dont have as much accidents as retarded drivers, because retarded drivers put themselfs into stupid situations where its inevitable that they will crash the car at some point. Prevention is better than cure.
Ive never heard stephano complain about protoss, yet it comes from idras mouth all the time.Ive never heard sheth complain about protoss. Learn the matchup , dont overdrone and go all in more. Dont just play every game passively, make calculated risks like "okay x player is very likely to do 2 base push on this map, he thinks im gonna play standard, ive got a surprise for him". Biggest problem with idras play is he is not comfortable doing an all in because he thinks its coinflippy. Players that analyse his play would know they can do really greedy stuff or perfectly excuted timing pushes on him .
Whats the difference between idra and leenock? HUGEEEEEEEEEEEE difference. leenock is wayyyyy better than idra, because his play varies alot. a protoss playing against leenock is scared of all in all the time, a protoss playing against idra is wondering how much he can toy with idra.
Leenock's ZvP isn't very good at all...>_>
Idra isn't the only one complaining about ZvP...Nestea and DRG both have stated that they have problems with protoss.
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