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On February 03 2012 06:16 aderum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:13 DDie wrote:On February 02 2012 03:56 Olsson wrote:On February 02 2012 03:41 Steglich wrote:On February 02 2012 03:30 Jaybles wrote:
I think honestly, idra has yet to unveil most of his potential, there's a reason he rages, and honestly, there's a level of strength there that i know most if not all of you don't have, and that's dedication.
He was playing this game every day since release, burn out? The kid is probably so far beyond burn out that really if he sticks to training, and finding better methodologies to work out earlier aggression, (which is in how it's played early game), he will ultimately probably redesign the match up.
Everyone wants to bash on him because he gets mad, he has the right to get mad, does it suck that his head sometimes gets in his way? certainly, but if was still playing broodwar there's no doubt by now he would have been a proclaimed bonjiwa.
What he is and always has been mad about is the disappointment to the causality of sc2; Does it suck, certainly, Will a player like Greg.Idra.Fields end up turning this game on its side, i think the answer is ultimately yes, and make no mistake, there's no lack of conviction from his part.
The true testament to a hero is how far will they fall until they climb back to the top, and if you don't think that, there's clearly a mentality flaw within yourself or your just a child, either way.
Everyone wants to bash on him clearly because they know there are true fans here, and I find it horribly depressing.
Haters are going to hate, especially on winners, and sure maybe following the events of GSL code A, isn't the best example of him personally being a winner, but he is still arguably one of the best foreigners out there.
You wanna talk about stefano? Let's talk about how he typically ladders against EU players, and they aren't nearly as all-in or aggressive, meanwhile in GSL greg is going against early game pressure every time because they know they can make him crack. They literally engineer their game play to make him want to give up, is it sad to see it when it happens --- You're god damn right.
Best of luck Greg; Rooting for you. That is so beautiful. Thank you for that. I hope (and believe) that you are right. Maybe except for the BW bonjwa. BW is a more stable game and balanced so with his dedication I think he could've become a bonjwa. It's been discussed several times that Sc2 is too volatile and luck is a big factor in some games. If you don't know what the word means, please, PLEASE, don't use it, k? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa Well he is only saying that he could become a bonjwa, i dont see the problem?
Oh, so i can just go around saying that anyone out there can become a Bonjwa? TriMaster next Bonjwa, Destiny Bonjwa, IncontroL might be able to do it also!
Please, this is the Idra fanclub, but keep it realistic.
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You do realise everyone was a B teamer? And Idra was a B teamer for less than a year, and it is fairly well known that Korean team houses expect to make an A teamer within a year, I'm not arguing that IdrA coul have been a bonjwa, I'm simply arguing that he shouldn't just be passed off as some kind of failure in Korean BW.
Also I think everyone is over thinking all this buissness, Idra lost one BO3, that sucks and all but It's nothing new or special, all players loose.
I also think everyone should stop complaining about Idra's whining. He said in an interview that zerg don't beat protoss and everyone shit on him, Nestea and DRG complain about it on twitter and noone gives a damn.
People just love to hate Idra and I really don't see the point behind it, just fucking enjoy starcraft.
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On February 03 2012 06:27 enecateReAP wrote:
You do realise everyone was a B teamer? And Idra was a B teamer for less than a year, and it is fairly well known that Korean team houses expect to make an A teamer within a year, I'm not arguing that IdrA coul have been a bonjwa, I'm simply arguing that he shouldn't just be passed off as some kind of failure in Korean BW.
Also I think everyone is over thinking all this buissness, Idra lost one BO3, that sucks and all but It's nothing new or special, all players loose.
I also think everyone should stop complaining about Idra's whining. He said in an interview that zerg don't beat protoss and everyone shit on him, Nestea and DRG complain about it on twitter and noone gives a damn.
People just love to hate Idra and I really don't see the point behind it, just fucking enjoy starcraft.
Just now he said that SC2 is a shit game. There's more to his statements than DRG/Nestea having some banter on Twitter.
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On February 02 2012 03:30 Jaybles wrote:
I think honestly, idra has yet to unveil most of his potential, there's a reason he rages, and honestly, there's a level of strength there that i know most if not all of you don't have, and that's dedication.
He was playing this game every day since release, burn out? The kid is probably so far beyond burn out that really if he sticks to training, and finding better methodologies to work out earlier aggression, (which is in how it's played early game), he will ultimately probably redesign the match up.
Everyone wants to bash on him because he gets mad, he has the right to get mad, does it suck that his head sometimes gets in his way? certainly, but if was still playing broodwar there's no doubt by now he would have been a proclaimed bonjiwa.
What he is and always has been mad about is the disappointment to the causality of sc2; Does it suck, certainly, Will a player like Greg.Idra.Fields end up turning this game on its side, i think the answer is ultimately yes, and make no mistake, there's no lack of conviction from his part.
The true testament to a hero is how far will they fall until they climb back to the top, and if you don't think that, there's clearly a mentality flaw within yourself or your just a child, either way.
Everyone wants to bash on him clearly because they know there are true fans here, and I find it horribly depressing.
Haters are going to hate, especially on winners, and sure maybe following the events of GSL code A, isn't the best example of him personally being a winner, but he is still arguably one of the best foreigners out there.
You wanna talk about stefano? Let's talk about how he typically ladders against EU players, and they aren't nearly as all-in or aggressive, meanwhile in GSL greg is going against early game pressure every time because they know they can make him crack. They literally engineer their game play to make him want to give up, is it sad to see it when it happens --- You're god damn right.
Best of luck Greg; Rooting for you.
There's about 300 Koreans with the same dedication to the game as Idra. Perhaps he is sort of unique amongst foreigners, but not in the whole scene.
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On February 03 2012 06:26 DDie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:16 aderum wrote:On February 03 2012 06:13 DDie wrote:On February 02 2012 03:56 Olsson wrote:On February 02 2012 03:41 Steglich wrote:On February 02 2012 03:30 Jaybles wrote:
I think honestly, idra has yet to unveil most of his potential, there's a reason he rages, and honestly, there's a level of strength there that i know most if not all of you don't have, and that's dedication.
He was playing this game every day since release, burn out? The kid is probably so far beyond burn out that really if he sticks to training, and finding better methodologies to work out earlier aggression, (which is in how it's played early game), he will ultimately probably redesign the match up.
Everyone wants to bash on him because he gets mad, he has the right to get mad, does it suck that his head sometimes gets in his way? certainly, but if was still playing broodwar there's no doubt by now he would have been a proclaimed bonjiwa.
What he is and always has been mad about is the disappointment to the causality of sc2; Does it suck, certainly, Will a player like Greg.Idra.Fields end up turning this game on its side, i think the answer is ultimately yes, and make no mistake, there's no lack of conviction from his part.
The true testament to a hero is how far will they fall until they climb back to the top, and if you don't think that, there's clearly a mentality flaw within yourself or your just a child, either way.
Everyone wants to bash on him clearly because they know there are true fans here, and I find it horribly depressing.
Haters are going to hate, especially on winners, and sure maybe following the events of GSL code A, isn't the best example of him personally being a winner, but he is still arguably one of the best foreigners out there.
You wanna talk about stefano? Let's talk about how he typically ladders against EU players, and they aren't nearly as all-in or aggressive, meanwhile in GSL greg is going against early game pressure every time because they know they can make him crack. They literally engineer their game play to make him want to give up, is it sad to see it when it happens --- You're god damn right.
Best of luck Greg; Rooting for you. That is so beautiful. Thank you for that. I hope (and believe) that you are right. Maybe except for the BW bonjwa. BW is a more stable game and balanced so with his dedication I think he could've become a bonjwa. It's been discussed several times that Sc2 is too volatile and luck is a big factor in some games. If you don't know what the word means, please, PLEASE, don't use it, k? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Bonjwa Well he is only saying that he could become a bonjwa, i dont see the problem? Oh, so i can just go around saying that anyone out there can become a Bonjwa? TriMaster next Bonjwa, Destiny Bonjwa, IncontroL might be able to do it also! Please, this is the Idra fanclub, but keep it realistic.
Yeah if your opinion is that TriMaster can be the next bonjwa if he practice hard enough i dont see why you shouldn't be able to say it. But then you have to be ready to defend why you think that. But we got to stop with the cirklejerk "you dont know what bonjwa means" every time somebody mentions it.
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WTF is this bonjwa talk? MVP got 9 major championships in 1 year and hes not bonjwa. Idra won one IEM. Idra is good for a non Korean but there is absolutely no way in fuck you can compare him to a bonjwa.
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On February 03 2012 07:07 Luepert wrote:
WTF is this bonjwa talk? MVP got 9 major championships in 1 year and hes not bonjwa. Idra won one IEM. Idra is good for a non Korean but there is absolutely no way in fuck you can compare him to a bonjwa.
Thats not what we are discussing. Maybe you should read before you complain...
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Wow you are being way overly critical.. You truly don't see what is behind the making of a bonjwa.. But any one that knows a damn thing about sc2 or bw should know that Acer's Elfi is the only foreigner right now with the potential to become the next bonjwa.
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On February 03 2012 08:12 SpeedSloth wrote:
Wow you are being way overly critical.. You truly don't see what is behind the making of a bonjwa.. But any one that knows a damn thing about sc2 or bw should know that Acer's Elfi is the only foreigner right now with the potential to become the next bonjwa.
sorry what? elfi? lol... he's good but no way in hell is he good enough to be the next bonjwa.. it'll be a long time before someone is even close to being a bonjwa
on topic i loved idra's stream last night, he looks pretty strong despite what happened in gsl
edit : changed my wording
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Does anyone know the FPS idra has when he streams? Is it 30?
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On February 03 2012 06:30 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 06:27 enecateReAP wrote:
You do realise everyone was a B teamer? And Idra was a B teamer for less than a year, and it is fairly well known that Korean team houses expect to make an A teamer within a year, I'm not arguing that IdrA coul have been a bonjwa, I'm simply arguing that he shouldn't just be passed off as some kind of failure in Korean BW.
Also I think everyone is over thinking all this buissness, Idra lost one BO3, that sucks and all but It's nothing new or special, all players loose.
I also think everyone should stop complaining about Idra's whining. He said in an interview that zerg don't beat protoss and everyone shit on him, Nestea and DRG complain about it on twitter and noone gives a damn.
People just love to hate Idra and I really don't see the point behind it, just fucking enjoy starcraft. Just now he said that SC2 is a shit game. There's more to his statements than DRG/Nestea having some banter on Twitter.
He's said that since the beggining, what has changed?
Your statement didn't reflect mine at all, so why bother posting at all?
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I don't understand why people get bugged when he says that game is shit.
And I don't understand why he does have to like it?
Because he plays it?
Let me ask you a simple question to those people. Can you guarantee that you are going to love your jobs? I would laugh real hard if you would say yes.
These guys are PRO. Pro does not mean the opposite of "noob". They are pro because they EARN MONEY from it. Like you will/are earn/earning. Starcraft is IdrA's job. Not just a game that he likes to play often.
Get over it.
P.S: GO GREG GO!!
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On February 03 2012 08:12 SpeedSloth wrote:
Wow you are being way overly critical.. You truly don't see what is behind the making of a bonjwa.. But any one that knows a damn thing about sc2 or bw should know that Acer's Elfi is the only foreigner right now with the potential to become the next bonjwa.
Wow, you must be high on something really good.
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On February 03 2012 08:41 ravenKRaz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2012 08:12 SpeedSloth wrote:
Wow you are being way overly critical.. You truly don't see what is behind the making of a bonjwa.. But any one that knows a damn thing about sc2 or bw should know that Acer's Elfi is the only foreigner right now with the potential to become the next bonjwa. sorry what? elfi? lol... he's good but no way in hell is he good enough to be the next bonjwa.. it'll be a long time before someone is even close to being a bonjwa on topic i loved idra's stream last night, he looks pretty strong despite what happened in gsl edit : changed my wording
Your sarcasmdetector is broken mate.
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Wait I am sorry, I did not follow. Did someone above say that Idra could have been a bonjwa if he stayed in BW? Like being a bonjwa in BW? You do know that there are guys in BW like Stork, Fantasy, Bisu, Jaedong even that is not Bonjwa and saying that Idra was even half what they are is just plain wrong.
Sure B teamers train to get A teamers, but guys like JD did smash people up so hard even when they were in the B-team. People could from the start tell that they were amazing because they actually beat the top A teamers even when they were in the B team. Idra spent a year in CJ house and still could not even win TSL2.
As for SC2. Sure Idra could become a bonjwa, but atm he is just miles away. He is not even top 3 outside korea seeing as he has not really done anything remarkable exept the IEM win. And that was probably one of the weekest korean lineups compared to other tourneys were foreigners have won vs koreans.
As for the SC2 is shit. Well it is and Idra is not really the only one saying it. He just does it in public :-)
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On February 02 2012 03:30 Jaybles wrote:
I think honestly, idra has yet to unveil most of his potential, there's a reason he rages, and honestly, there's a level of strength there that i know most if not all of you don't have, and that's dedication.
He was playing this game every day since release, burn out? The kid is probably so far beyond burn out that really if he sticks to training, and finding better methodologies to work out earlier aggression, (which is in how it's played early game), he will ultimately probably redesign the match up.
Everyone wants to bash on him because he gets mad, he has the right to get mad, does it suck that his head sometimes gets in his way? certainly, but if was still playing broodwar there's no doubt by now he would have been a proclaimed bonjiwa.
What he is and always has been mad about is the disappointment to the causality of sc2; Does it suck, certainly, Will a player like Greg.Idra.Fields end up turning this game on its side, i think the answer is ultimately yes, and make no mistake, there's no lack of conviction from his part.
The true testament to a hero is how far will they fall until they climb back to the top, and if you don't think that, there's clearly a mentality flaw within yourself or your just a child, either way.
Everyone wants to bash on him clearly because they know there are true fans here, and I find it horribly depressing.
Haters are going to hate, especially on winners, and sure maybe following the events of GSL code A, isn't the best example of him personally being a winner, but he is still arguably one of the best foreigners out there.
You wanna talk about stefano? Let's talk about how he typically ladders against EU players, and they aren't nearly as all-in or aggressive, meanwhile in GSL greg is going against early game pressure every time because they know they can make him crack. They literally engineer their game play to make him want to give up, is it sad to see it when it happens --- You're god damn right.
Best of luck Greg; Rooting for you.
the worst kind of idra-fan, the likes of this guy makes half of teamliquid hate idra fans.
delusional statements (idra would certainly be a bonjiwa in bw lmao, thinking idra is more dedicated than everyone else, predicting he will redesign a matchup wtf)
that true testament of a hero part just doesn't make sense at all, he just wanted to say someting beautiful out of his ass about idra
and bringing in stephano, who destroyed korean ladder and is much more succesful than idra atm, why the hell did he bring him up?
instead of acknowledging that idra's not doing too good, but rooting for him, hoping that he'll practice harder, he'll fix his mindset etc etc you have delusional guys like this... honestly, i'm not really a fan of anyone but if i was an idra fan this guy would just annoy the crap out of me even as a fan
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On February 03 2012 18:35 AidoS wrote:http://www.own3d.tv/Destiny#/watch/431475there ya go, destiny analysing idra vs avenge, says why greg lost everyone should watch, he says some importend stuff starts after 60 min
Your kidding me t.t you bring Destiny anaylsis VOD to an Idra fan club thread WTF bro...He lost vs Avenge due to it being vs Protos. Game 1 the push COULD not be stopped, someone find me a VOD of a zerg player stopping 2immortal warp prism all in from 2 base t.t
Game 2 he lost because he went Muti because he was ahead, until toss went all in with +2 attack blink stalkers, if he had gone roach instead that game he wins but he didn't he chose to muti harras. He out multi tasked a Korean pro which is proving he has fixed his mechanics which where not that good when he got picked apart by Hero back in MLG i think it was?
Fkn Destiny analysis in and IdrA fan club t.t man if IdrA saw you post that he would BM u to fuck bro!
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