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On January 27 2011 04:28 BurningSera wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 03:42 Sfydjklm wrote:On January 27 2011 03:30 Starlos wrote:On January 27 2011 02:58 Moonling wrote:He was banned for http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187809¤tpage=55#1100"practice doesnt win you games with zerg luck does smart of him to be having fun instead of wasting his time User was temp banned for this post." and.... "lol every high level english speaking zerg is on the brink of actual depression or a race switch i wasnt kidding when i said i stopped practicing because the damage to my mental state was worse than lacking practice. " and his Signature is " u mad manifesto?" lol so all that got him a week ban to respond to all your questions about why Are you kidding me ? A week ban only for that ? yea i really dont understand the recent teamliquid policy in regarding to balance discussion. Idra gets banned for it and all those people who make threads and posts that claim that the game is fine go unpunished as long as they make it(the post) a 2 page long essay. How much more obvious the imbalances have to get before we can publicly acknowledge them? about the ban: the crazy bans policy starts with people flaming jinro after jinro said he overheard the caster shouting when idra 6pool. i personally respect jinro so much and never use any offensive language but still get banned lol that means idra's bitter post in tl will easily get him ban since then. i actually research again about hows TL works(fyi i play forums since 2000 and i am mods myself in some forums so i never in my life get 1 ban in any forum) and from this post my doubts is confirmed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86434¤tpage=23#457 (some nice discussion in the 'Why closed my thread' thread) - TL is not a 'SC/SC2 community', it is 'TL community' which related to SC/SC2, TL mods can do anything they want (ie you are annoying to any mod = u are banned, regardless you are just saying your opinion neutrally). so idra really needs to play smarter here on TL from now on.
I took a look to see what you were banned for because you seem to think you didn't deserve it. I'm not sure if you're interested in a second opinion but in you deserved the ban. Your posts were wrong, barely readable and annoying. It wasn't mods abusing power, I think the forum would be better without you.
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This post got away from me while typing it so I felt a TL:DR was required.
TLDR - I realize a large number of the posts in question really do deserve the responses they receive and that are outlined in more detail below. However, in a lot of situations it is simply a less-skilled player mistaking something that has a known and viable counter with something that is imbalanced because they don't know any better. They are coming here to learn and it seems really unfair to new users who could eventually become constructive posters to be punished for trying to get better.
On January 27 2011 05:55 Sfydjklm wrote:
well in all honesty if all zerg pro's were like "zerg is fine, l2p" we'd see a lot of improvement into various noobs who'd suck it up.
Pink glasses are good sometimes.
Unicorns are nice.
Haha. Yea I get what you are saying though, a large number of balance discussion posts involve Zerg (or Terran or Protoss players, but in this example Zergs) players who simply do not know the correct response to a certain situation and then purport it to be balance. When they come on TL.net to post they automatically assume for whatever reason that what beat them must be imbalanced and then make a post about, instead of using the search function. Now obviously this can be somewhat annoying to experience users of the forum, but in the interest of improving Zerg play as a whole. However, with the final goal of eliminating such posts altogether the easiest way is to simply explain what they did wrong, then once a mod sees a quality post doing that the thread can be closed. This way the person can not only learn how to fix what they did wrong in-game, but at the same time can also learn about the forum regulations. If they simply receive no response and get a warning, temp ban, or simply a closed thread with a harshly worded reason what happens is next is quite simple, they wait for whatever bans/warning (if any) to expire and then immediately repost on the same or similar topic, also to a similar effect. This chain of events usually goes something as follows: instead of someone explaining to them the correct response to the situation troubling them, the first 3 or 4 replies entail: 1. insults, 2. threats of 'mods gonna ban you bro', 3. stop with the whine/qq threads. The fifth of sixth response is a moderator closing the thread stating 'please read forum guidelines before posting' or something to that effect.
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The thing is people can make their own mind up about IdrA without TL banning him all the time.
Ok so Mani and Plexa don't like him. They are legends of TL and should be respected absolutely.
But IdrA is IdrA, his contribution to eSports deserves respect too. He should get away with far more than the average poster.
I personally think it's pretty pathetic to keep temp-banning him.
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On January 27 2011 06:23 Klive5ive wrote:
The thing is people can make their own mind up about IdrA without TL banning him all the time.
Ok so Mani and Plexa don't like him. They are legends of TL and should be respected absolutely.
But IdrA is IdrA, his contribution to eSports deserves respect too. He should get away with far more than the average poster.
I personally think it's pretty pathetic to keep temp-banning him.
Exactly one would think that anyone reading an IdrA post at this point will take whatever he has to say with a grain of salt. I'm not at all trying to say there is abuse of moderator power only that perhaps the criteria for a balance post ban should be re-evaluated.
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United States43976 Posts
On January 27 2011 06:23 Klive5ive wrote:
The thing is people can make their own mind up about IdrA without TL banning him all the time.
Ok so Mani and Plexa don't like him. They are legends of TL and should be respected absolutely.
But IdrA is IdrA, his contribution to eSports deserves respect too. He should get away with far more than the average poster.
I personally think it's pretty pathetic to keep temp-banning him.
Idra does get away with far more than the average poster.
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On January 23 2011 13:01 Starlos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 23 2011 12:23 CosmicHippo wrote:
has this thread ever been off the first page of the team liquid community fourm? dont think this thread has ever hit the 2nd page That's because IdrA is awesome and everybody wants to be his fan. Therefore his fan club page is pretty busy !
Bro, I'm an IdrA fan too. But this post, stating the obvious, kinda makes me feel embarrassed..
It sounds like a fluffy pink bunny hopping around with hearts coming out of it or something... lol
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On January 27 2011 06:05 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 04:28 BurningSera wrote:On January 27 2011 03:42 Sfydjklm wrote:On January 27 2011 03:30 Starlos wrote:On January 27 2011 02:58 Moonling wrote:He was banned for http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187809¤tpage=55#1100"practice doesnt win you games with zerg luck does smart of him to be having fun instead of wasting his time User was temp banned for this post." and.... "lol every high level english speaking zerg is on the brink of actual depression or a race switch i wasnt kidding when i said i stopped practicing because the damage to my mental state was worse than lacking practice. " and his Signature is " u mad manifesto?" lol so all that got him a week ban to respond to all your questions about why Are you kidding me ? A week ban only for that ? yea i really dont understand the recent teamliquid policy in regarding to balance discussion. Idra gets banned for it and all those people who make threads and posts that claim that the game is fine go unpunished as long as they make it(the post) a 2 page long essay. How much more obvious the imbalances have to get before we can publicly acknowledge them? about the ban: the crazy bans policy starts with people flaming jinro after jinro said he overheard the caster shouting when idra 6pool. i personally respect jinro so much and never use any offensive language but still get banned lol that means idra's bitter post in tl will easily get him ban since then. i actually research again about hows TL works(fyi i play forums since 2000 and i am mods myself in some forums so i never in my life get 1 ban in any forum) and from this post my doubts is confirmed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86434¤tpage=23#457 (some nice discussion in the 'Why closed my thread' thread) - TL is not a 'SC/SC2 community', it is 'TL community' which related to SC/SC2, TL mods can do anything they want (ie you are annoying to any mod = u are banned, regardless you are just saying your opinion neutrally). so idra really needs to play smarter here on TL from now on. I took a look to see what you were banned for because you seem to think you didn't deserve it. I'm not sure if you're interested in a second opinion but in you deserved the ban. Your posts were wrong, barely readable and annoying. It wasn't mods abusing power, I think the forum would be better without you.
you see, if i say something like that 'I think the forum would be better without you.', ie something annoying and hurtful, i'd get banned immediately. but you are mod so you are ok, make sense.
in my defense, still, i didnt say any word that is offensive or insulting (feel free to pm me we'll discuss about my 'wrong posts' ), i'll be totally fine if jinro is not in TL team or if my posts was aimed towards idra . plus, I got 1 week banned straight away (usually the system works as warn-> 2days ban ->1 week ban etc). i am not arguing with anyone about 'how i am not deserve to be banned', if i did i would post it in the feedback forum. i was merely saying that idra needs to play smarter from now on, which is imo a fair point of view, judging from my experience.
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ugh mods on here are too srs bsns. I guess they don't have more important things to do than to get a power trip off of banning people. Who cares if IdrA posts "u mad?" or whatever its highly entertaining and I don't see any downside to it other than a mod getting butthurt. This is 2011 now people need to know that what a person says over the internet doesn't matter much and you need to get some fuckin self-esteem to be able to look past shit like that.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On January 27 2011 07:03 Dont Panic wrote:
ugh mods on here are too srs bsns. I guess they don't have more important things to do than to get a power trip off of banning people. Who cares if IdrA posts "u mad?" or whatever its highly entertaining and I don't see any downside to it other than a mod getting butthurt. This is 2011 now people need to know that what a person says over the internet doesn't matter much and you need to get some fuckin self-esteem to be able to look past shit like that.
If you dont like that go to blizzard forums, they dont have any mods.(They do but they dont do anything) Team liquid has good mods that dont tolerate trolls.
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On January 27 2011 07:03 Dont Panic wrote:
ugh mods on here are too srs bsns. I guess they don't have more important things to do than to get a power trip off of banning people. Who cares if IdrA posts "u mad?" or whatever its highly entertaining and I don't see any downside to it other than a mod getting butthurt. This is 2011 now people need to know that what a person says over the internet doesn't matter much and you need to get some fuckin self-esteem to be able to look past shit like that.
If I took personal shots at you, you wouldn't like it yes? Oh wait its 2011 I can call you whatever I want cause its the internet.
Yes Idra is awesome and all but he knows for sure by now what is bannable and what isn't, he should think about that before he posts.
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Idra doesn't care, clearly. Your advice is not needed.
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On January 27 2011 06:27 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 06:23 Klive5ive wrote:
The thing is people can make their own mind up about IdrA without TL banning him all the time.
Ok so Mani and Plexa don't like him. They are legends of TL and should be respected absolutely.
But IdrA is IdrA, his contribution to eSports deserves respect too. He should get away with far more than the average poster.
I personally think it's pretty pathetic to keep temp-banning him. Idra does get away with far more than the average poster.
Ugh that's not true at all. Granted unlike your average forum airhead Idra knows exactly what his actions entitle, but your average poster gets away with far more. As long as they make their post a few paragraphs trolling seems to go unnoticed(not surprising on a forum this large)
I'd rather witness Idra outright trolling people then half-wits of the forum making sincere posts that come out unintentionally trolly.
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On January 27 2011 07:23 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2011 06:27 KwarK wrote:On January 27 2011 06:23 Klive5ive wrote:
The thing is people can make their own mind up about IdrA without TL banning him all the time.
Ok so Mani and Plexa don't like him. They are legends of TL and should be respected absolutely.
But IdrA is IdrA, his contribution to eSports deserves respect too. He should get away with far more than the average poster.
I personally think it's pretty pathetic to keep temp-banning him. Idra does get away with far more than the average poster. Ugh that's not true at all. Granted unlike your average forum airhead Idra knows exactly what his actions entitle, but your average poster gets away with far more. As long as they make their post a few paragraphs trolling seems to go unnoticed(not surprising on a forum this large) I'd rather witness Idra outright trolling people then half-wits of the forum making sincere posts that come out unintentionally trolly.
Not really if you take into account how many times he has been warned/temp banned.. He holds quite a record, any other user would be perm banned methinks
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On January 27 2011 06:23 Klive5ive wrote:
The thing is people can make their own mind up about IdrA without TL banning him all the time.
Ok so Mani and Plexa don't like him. They are legends of TL and should be respected absolutely.
But IdrA is IdrA, his contribution to eSports deserves respect too. He should get away with far more than the average poster.
I personally think it's pretty pathetic to keep temp-banning him.
If he's such a hero for eSports, he should be held to higher standards of behaviour.
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Go to website feedback if you want to discuss the ban I'll happily explain it to you there. Next person derailing this topic with it going to be banned.
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Anyone know if IdrA said anything more about streaming schedule?
And will the OP in this thread be updated if/when he does?
Had hoped he'd have started by now. 
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Edited out.
IdrA was formally known as HungZerg on TL. Who'd have thunk.
On September 26 2006 12:56 HungZerg wrote:
could you change my name to IdrA please? thx
User was warned for this post. If you need to discuss this do it in website feedback.
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On January 27 2011 06:23 Klive5ive wrote:
The thing is people can make their own mind up about IdrA without TL banning him all the time.
Ok so Mani and Plexa don't like him. They are legends of TL and should be respected absolutely.
But IdrA is IdrA, his contribution to eSports deserves respect too. He should get away with far more than the average poster.
I personally think it's pretty pathetic to keep temp-banning him.
Haha, OMG.
+ Show Spoiler +"He should get away with far more than the average poster." !?
Are you really saying he isn't getting away with way more than the average poster? I really can't believe you actually seem to mean this. Have you actually read his posts? And with that I mean actually understand how childish and offensive his posting is without having a glorified picture of the source?
This isn't about banning IdrA "so people can make up their mind about him". If you think that you misunderstand the reasons why people get banned. People get banned on forums because they post offensively, because they spam, because they flamebait, simply because the forum is better off without them. Banning isn't a judgement of personality, it's a means of removing the people that can't follow simple forum rules, rules that are also present IRL, like common decency.
Basically all IdrA has done in recent years, is cross all those simple basic rules that keep a forum from becoming a 4chan anarchy. The real miracle is that he hasn't been permanently banned yet, which can only be attributed to his exceptional Starcraft skills. And what the community gets back for this is more offensive posting once his temp ban is lifted and dozens of immature Zerg players that infest the Strategy forums with their balance whines, since being vocal and obnoxious is apparently what their overmind does too.
IdrA is like Kerrigan, but without the hot chick and superpowers. Not a fan.
Edit: had written this before Nazguls's post, ignore me.
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Has there been any word on when idra is going to start streaming? I heard "in a couple days" a couple days ago. Really struggling at mid master league level and need to start watching pro zergs for ideas.
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