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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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Moonling
United States987 Posts
"practice doesnt win you games with zerg luck does smart of him to be having fun instead of wasting his time User was temp banned for this post." and.... "lol every high level english speaking zerg is on the brink of actual depression or a race switch i wasnt kidding when i said i stopped practicing because the damage to my mental state was worse than lacking practice. " and his Signature is " u mad manifesto?" lol so all that got him a week ban to respond to all your questions about why | ||
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Starlos
Canada191 Posts
On January 27 2011 02:58 Moonling wrote: He was banned for http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=187809¤tpage=55#1100 "practice doesnt win you games with zerg luck does smart of him to be having fun instead of wasting his time User was temp banned for this post." and.... "lol every high level english speaking zerg is on the brink of actual depression or a race switch i wasnt kidding when i said i stopped practicing because the damage to my mental state was worse than lacking practice. " and his Signature is " u mad manifesto?" lol so all that got him a week ban to respond to all your questions about why Are you kidding me ? A week ban only for that ? | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On January 27 2011 03:30 Starlos wrote: Are you kidding me ? A week ban only for that ? yea i really dont understand the recent teamliquid policy in regarding to balance discussion. Idra gets banned for it and all those people who make threads and posts that claim that the game is fine go unpunished as long as they make it(the post) a 2 page long essay. How much more obvious the imbalances have to get before we can publicly acknowledge them? | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
That said, yeah he's one of the few people around here who should actually be allowed to talk about balance, but it can't be done with all the stupid, so he doesn't in any depth. And the amusing, yet low on content posts that result from that piss off mods and around our little circle we dance. | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
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schimmetje
Netherlands1104 Posts
Still, probably not the best to discuss here. I guess it frees up more time for side projects though, yay! | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
On January 27 2011 03:42 Sfydjklm wrote: yea i really dont understand the recent teamliquid policy in regarding to balance discussion. Idra gets banned for it and all those people who make threads and posts that claim that the game is fine go unpunished as long as they make it(the post) a 2 page long essay. How much more obvious the imbalances have to get before we can publicly acknowledge them? about the ban: the crazy bans policy starts with people flaming jinro after jinro said he overheard the caster shouting when idra 6pool. i personally respect jinro so much and never use any offensive language but still get banned lol that means idra's bitter post in tl will easily get him ban since then. i actually research again about hows TL works(fyi i play forums since 2000 and i am mods myself in some forums so i never in my life get 1 ban in any forum) and from this post my doubts is confirmed: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=86434¤tpage=23#457 (some nice discussion in the 'Why closed my thread' thread) - TL is not a 'SC/SC2 community', it is 'TL community' which related to SC/SC2, TL mods can do anything they want (ie you are annoying to any mod = u are banned, regardless you are just saying your opinion neutrally). so idra really needs to play smarter here on TL from now on. How much more obvious the imbalances have to get before we can publicly acknowledge them? we are not 100% sure that how 3 races play out yet, it is still a very young game. imba talk is never 100% right because any neff/buff to any race can affect any MU hugely. i must say i think what idra said is very close to the truth but seeing that imba discussion is not allowed on TL now(TL is a good voice to blizzard), what he said will never get recognised unless blizzard actually do something about it. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On January 27 2011 04:17 motbob wrote: The ban wasn't due to his posts on balance at all. Read the ban reason. Don't be taking the piss with that sig. Remove it upon return asap, and while you're at it leave the incessant balance whining wherever you spend your next week. Seemed like a combo between the sig and his practice doesnt win you games with zerg luck does smart of him to be having fun instead of wasting his time balance post? | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On January 27 2011 04:30 Whole wrote: Seemed like a combo between the sig and his balance post? Mods need to get down off their high horse and smell the roses. The game. Is not. Played. On. Fair. Maps. - All patches are null and void until the MAPS are fixed. 50% of the losses IdrA is complaining about would have been wins if it was on a map where Terran and Protoss alike can't just simply all-in and automatically force the Zerg into ONE playstyle. Play with this one play style, or lose every game on a small map - pick one. That's how Zerg is right now, and that's just lame race design I can totally see where IdrA and other higher end Zergs are coming from. On January 27 2011 05:31 DoubleReed wrote: Yes, that is what IdrA has said. Idra said that Nestea is a really really good player. He's not trying to take that away from him or his success. He's simply saying that if you look at the players he's played, it's usually somebody who isn't nearly at his skill level or a ZvZ. Hence, Nestea got to where he is by luck of the brackets. His point still stands regardless of Nestea's skill level. Why is it that people are always so quick to jump on the 'oh my god stop QQing band wagon'. This incessant attitude with so many people on here has really got to end. Seems to me like no one can say their opinion whatsoever anymore without having 20 people attacking them saying they are 'qqing' and 'your points aren't valid' and 'stop complaining'. Guess what everyone, telling someone to stop QQing is in itself COMPLAINING!!! So how about we all shut up with the god damn QQ syndrome and accept that maybe once in a while someone other than oneself may have valid discussion topics, and concerns about balance, and map design. It's also getting very tiresome to here the latest one 'the metagame isn't developed enough to determine map balance' - nope its the other way around entirely actually the maps aren't balanced enough to actually see correct metagame development. | ||
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Aristotle7
United States120 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:29 SichuanPanda wrote: Mods need to get down off their high horse and smell the roses. The game. Is not. Played. On. Fair. Maps. - All patches are null and void until the MAPS are fixed. 50% of the losses IdrA is complaining about would have been wins if it was on a map where Terran and Protoss alike can't just simply all-in and automatically force the Zerg into ONE playstyle. Play with this one play style, or lose every game on a small map - pick one. That's how Zerg is right now, and that's just lame race design I can totally see where IdrA and other higher end Zergs are coming from. Why is it that people are always so quick to jump on the 'oh my god stop QQing band wagon'. This incessant attitude with so many people on here has really got to end. Seems to me like no one can say their opinion whatsoever anymore without having 20 people attacking them saying they are 'qqing' and 'your points aren't valid' and 'stop complaining'. Guess what everyone, telling someone to stop QQing is in itself COMPLAINING!!! So how about we all shut up with the god damn QQ syndrome and accept that maybe once in a while someone other than oneself may have valid discussion topics, and concerns about balance, and map design. It's also getting very tiresome to here the latest one 'the metagame isn't developed enough to determine map balance' - nope its the other way around entirely actually the maps aren't balanced enough to actually see correct metagame development. Yeah but the claim is since you cant be 100% certain of that, you are not allowed to post such ideas. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:39 Aristotle7 wrote: Yeah but the claim is since you cant be 100% certain of that, you are not allowed to post such ideas. Yes and by that logic no one should ever post anything ever because you can't be 100% sure of anything you post unless you get it proven by three experts in the field. Pretty sure that goes completely against what a forum is for. Sure there are a lot of erroneous posts about balance, but there an equal number that get instantly dismissed as 'qq' because of stupid elitist trends. I mean if you want to follow the rule to the letter regarding balance posts, the discussion you and I having right now falls into that category. Although it is clearly about the way balance posts are handled on the forum - not about in-game balance at all actually. | ||
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
so allowing IdrA to go unpunished would create a hella lot more whine threads i think  | ||
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Liberty7
United States36 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:47 optical630 wrote: its because IdrA has an influence over alot of zerg players so if he states imbalances, the majority of the followers who read it blow shit way out of proportion and have little to no clue why something relates to something Of course... because they don't have a brain of their own to think with, thank goodness they have IdrA to tell them what is and is not true. o.O ?? By the way, I don't post or visit that frequently on these forums... but I have to say, for a stranger to the community to walk into this thread and see what mods ban for, creates a really, bad, impression. It appears whimsical and subjective. | ||
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SichuanPanda
Canada1542 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:47 optical630 wrote: its because IdrA has an influence over alot of zerg players so if he states imbalances, the majority of the followers who read it blow shit way out of proportion and have little to no clue why something relates to something so allowing IdrA to go unpunished would create a hella lot more whine threads i think That is a valid point, but IdrA is a notorious nerd rager, he's not trying to personally insult people like the baddie posters are putting up. I just really don't see how his post was out of line, because for anyone that actually plays this game in Diamond you will see there is definitely a lot of luck to playing Zerg, and as I and many others have already pointed out this luck is the map pool. Far positions on Metalopolis for example gives a solid map for Zerg, but if you spawn on the close positions directly across from each other it becomes a completely different map for the Zerg, while the (assuming non-Zerg) opponent changes their play far less significantly in response to position change. I agree with that true whine posts and threads should be dealt with, I just don't think IdrA's albeit short post, was a legitimate whine. | ||
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WniO
United States2706 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
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RageOverdose
United States690 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:53 SichuanPanda wrote: That is a valid point, but IdrA is a notorious nerd rager, he's not trying to personally insult people like the baddie posters are putting up. I just really don't see how his post was out of line, because for anyone that actually plays this game in Diamond you will see there is definitely a lot of luck to playing Zerg, and as I and many others have already pointed out this luck is the map pool. Far positions on Metalopolis for example gives a solid map for Zerg, but if you spawn on the close positions directly across from each other it becomes a completely different map for the Zerg, while the (assuming non-Zerg) opponent changes their play far less significantly in response to position change. I agree with that true whine posts and threads should be dealt with, I just don't think IdrA's albeit short post, was a legitimate whine. Posting balance crap in LR threads is unacceptable, and despite IdrA's knowledge and ability in the game, his post was trash. LR threads are for talking about what's going on in the games at hand, not bitching about a race's capabilities in the general scope of Starcraft 2. Also it was a blatant balance whine, because he's complaining that Zerg can't win with skill, in his own IdrA way we all know and love. | ||
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optical630
United Kingdom768 Posts
On January 27 2011 05:51 Liberty7 wrote: Of course... because they don't have a brain of their own to think with, thank goodness they have IdrA to tell them what is and is not true. o.O ?? By the way, I don't post or visit that frequently on these forums... but I have to say, for a stranger to the community to walk into this thread and see what mods ban for, creates a really, bad, impression. It appears whimsical and subjective. low post count doesnt mean stranger it means i think before i post. most likely applies to alot of other people aswell. On January 27 2011 05:53 SichuanPanda wrote: That is a valid point, but IdrA is a notorious nerd rager, he's not trying to personally insult people like the baddie posters are putting up. I just really don't see how his post was out of line, because for anyone that actually plays this game in Diamond you will see there is definitely a lot of luck to playing Zerg, and as I and many others have already pointed out this luck is the map pool. Far positions on Metalopolis for example gives a solid map for Zerg, but if you spawn on the close positions directly across from each other it becomes a completely different map for the Zerg, while the (assuming non-Zerg) opponent changes their play far less significantly in response to position change. I agree with that true whine posts and threads should be dealt with, I just don't think IdrA's albeit short post, was a legitimate whine. Im not doubting balance, im 2550~ diamond zerg myself and im not blind to the imbalances, but i was saying my view on why TL mods seem to be strict on IdrA, not about balance issues. | ||
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