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Heavenly
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
On November 20 2011 14:51 MrDudeMan wrote: Well, actually hellions did get a balance change. Also, its not that strat people are complaining about, its the ffs at the ramp. On November 20 2011 15:05 Mycl wrote: Maybe they don't require balance changes because both those strats have been nerfed. WP on the other hand has only received a buff and a big one at that Double reactor hellions doesn't come with blueflame. 2 rax is still very abusive, even after the balance change. 5 seconds barracks time did not change this. The balance changes weren't because specific strategies were abusive. | ||
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NerZhuL
United States57 Posts
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lSasquatchl
United States309 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:30 NerZhuL wrote: lol heavenly why are you wasting your energy... anytime people lose to something, instead of even remotely trying to figure out how to stop it they just qq about imbalance. 3 roaches at the top of the ramp is obviously too much commitment u know, its better for blizzard to fix things. /sarcasm Please don't come in here to troll...were you watching that game? I am not saying its overpowered or w.e. but even with 3 roaches it would only kill maybe 1 sentry, FF still gets landed and stargate still wrecks the main. MC would have just warped in an extra sentry over the stalkers that he warped in and its the same game. He needed something like a spore there for the WP or Idra just needs to build extra queens.. Even still, idra could have sniped the natural with his roaches and potentially held his natural while still having a third up. Spire was done and could have came into play. I just would liked to see what happens when idra snipes the natural of MC and gets back to defend :\ too bad we will never know. | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
 .Goodluck in loser bracket tomorrow you can do it (hopefully you don't have to face mc again since he would be down 0-2 T_T). | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:21 Kuja wrote: hmm, as an IdrA fan i expected better then him then to lose to one of the lowest DPS units in the game and something that doesn't attack. Ohh well, hes ganna win tomorrow so no worries! well... maybe it has low DPS, but it has a very effective spells ;P not all units need to attack to be effective. also idrA struggles at the momment in the zvp matchup, so losing to MC is no upset or something :/ personally i did not expected much. | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On November 20 2011 15:38 TheSasquatch wrote: Please don't come in here to troll...were you watching that game? I am not saying its overpowered or w.e. but even with 3 roaches it would only kill maybe 1 sentry, FF still gets landed and stargate still wrecks the main. MC would have just warped in an extra sentry over the stalkers that he warped in and its the same game. He needed something like a spore there for the WP or Idra just needs to build extra queens.. Even still, idra could have sniped the natural with his roaches and potentially held his natural while still having a third up. Spire was done and could have came into play. I just would liked to see what happens when idra snipes the natural of MC and gets back to defend :\ too bad we will never know. I am. It is op. He died in both games to ff on the ramp. FF aren't op in big battles (most of the time). Aggressive ffs on the ramp, are. If you can watch games unbiased, you can see that. Hell, ignore idra vs MC, this was known for a long time... In my games, i know that i have to stop any kind of early sentry push before it gets to my ramp or i can just roll over. New warp prism makes this harder (perfectly executed impossible). They need to make you unable to cast consecutive ff at the same spot (this actually wont work, because it would effect defensive ffs as well, although...its quite rare these days that we see 1 base play from p to make this important), or just make ramps take 2ff to block (might be to small of a nerf), or reduce the size/time of ff (this would be a to general of a nerf....) so i have no idea.... | ||
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Gotmog
Serbia899 Posts
On November 20 2011 16:21 Kuja wrote: hmm, as an IdrA fan i expected better then him then to lose to one of the lowest DPS units in the game and something that doesn't attack. Ohh well, hes ganna win tomorrow so no worries! What would you say when you see people lose to drops, storms, infestors ? | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On November 20 2011 17:46 ThePlayer33 wrote: Hey guys. Just because you forget one detail, you're not allowed to post in this fanclub. Get out, all of you!YOU are NOT qualified to post here or be an IdrA fan if you dont know that idra lost to the exact same thing against Hero in game 2 of dreamhack valencia invitational. and im sure hes faced this more than twice in his life. please. Missed the game myself, so watching VOD. Did honestly not expect a win though, with his huge mental block vs protoss and especially MC. | ||
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W2
United States1177 Posts
I think it is more of a gimmick, one that completely fails once people know how to solve it (and are prepared). Just like the marauder/hellion, 2 port banshee, some cutesy move that will get you wins until nestea comes up with the standard defense and everybody learns it. When protoss starts winning games without relying on these cutesy tricks working, then we can start worrying about balance. Right now we just need nestea to go back to his room with his abacus and hammer out the gold standard defensive setup. Zergs are still in an advantageous position in standard games, and protoss players will keep doing their cutesy moves like dual starport, this warp prism FF abuse, 8 dt drops... It's both a means and an end. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On November 20 2011 18:22 W2 wrote: It just looks op because the both times this strat was used, the protoss won. I think it is more of a gimmick, one that completely fails once people know how to solve it (and are prepared). Just like the marauder/hellion, 2 port banshee, some cutesy move that will get you wins until nestea comes up with the standard defense and everybody learns it. When protoss starts winning games without relying on these cutesy tricks working, then we can start worrying about balance. Right now we just need nestea to go back to his room with his abacus and hammer out the gold standard defensive setup. Zergs are still in an advantageous position in standard games, and protoss players will keep doing their cutesy moves like dual starport, this warp prism FF abuse, 8 dt drops... It's both a means and an end. What compounded the issue for the people watching the event is that we saw this strat in more games then just the Idra v MC series. The flexibility and different options a Protoss can implement with 4 sentries in a WP against Zerg is amazing | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
Looking at the bracket it seems that Idra will be facing Losira/Bomber, MMA, MC/DRG, Mvp/Nestea, and Huk/Naniwa before the grand final if he is to win. Don't think anyone has ever gone through such a hard bracket (and, frankly, don't think anyone will anytime soon). | ||
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Junichi
Germany1056 Posts
On November 20 2011 18:58 xtfftc wrote: That was a pretty anti-climatic match. But having to eliminate MC in extended series sounds promising. It would be nice to see IdrA smash MC in an extended series, to move on forward to a HuK vs. IdrA finals... *dreams* | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 20 2011 19:02 Junichi wrote: It would be nice to see IdrA smash MC in an extended series, to move on forward to a HuK vs. IdrA finals... *dreams* All I want to see is Idra play the most standard zvp possible against MC. I loved his strats in both games yesterday but I think that if he plays a simple game, he'll outclass MC easily. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
On November 20 2011 19:36 ThePlayer33 wrote: idra need some sort of light at the end of the tunnel... maybe some super being will grant him powers.. BoxeR/HuK. | ||
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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