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xUraharaX
Profile Joined September 2010
United States72 Posts
November 20 2011 04:05 GMT
#29301
... that was clearly a broken strat... as if FFE wasnt hard enough to deal with on most maps as it is...
luckily idra has a terran filled lower bracket, hes just got hero to worry about down the line!... seeing the amount of protosses in the top 4 though... im going to go ahead and pin idra at around 6th place for this MLG
UBavarice
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden358 Posts
November 20 2011 04:05 GMT
#29302
On November 20 2011 13:03 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 13:02 MrDudeMan wrote:
So why aren't queens massive? Was there ever a reason given? Its not like you'll be pushing into your opponents base with your queens.

Because void rays do extra damage to massive. It would make the stargate into warp prism sentry drop OP. Oh wait...

then just make it so that they can break ffs w/o being massive.
The Creator of the Universe, LG-IM.NesTea | The Gracken, IdrA | The Spoon Terran, "Big Papa" EG.ThorZaIN --- Fighting!!
Korean-MILF
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Norway65 Posts
November 20 2011 04:05 GMT
#29303
On November 20 2011 13:03 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 13:02 MrDudeMan wrote:
So why aren't queens massive? Was there ever a reason given? Its not like you'll be pushing into your opponents base with your queens.

Because void rays do extra damage to massive. It would make the stargate into warp prism sentry drop OP. Oh wait...


this is true! sad that zerg have to go to hive to deal with forcefields on ramps, while toss have robo+bay, and terran fact+armory...sad
MistrZZZ momma is so fat even boxer cant micro her
JuuMeijin
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden164 Posts
November 20 2011 04:05 GMT
#29304
On November 20 2011 13:02 Etra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 12:58 Chewbacca. wrote:
On November 20 2011 12:56 Etra wrote:
I have to admit, sentry warprism is op


Haha, you changed your opinion pretty quickly.

I really think they need to do something to change the protoss race so that they don't rely so heavily on FF so that it can be removed or it being able to be placed on ramps can be removed. Or aleast do something like make it so queens/Uprooted spines can break them.


I hate to blame the race, but seriously.. only way to beat it is to KNOW he is doing it. in which case you need hydras, and lots of them because of the air as well.
You never know if it's a Colossus followup or not :/

Also why is everyone whining about the forcefields themself when clearly the warp-in mechanic is the one to blame.
y_y
Khazroul
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom206 Posts
November 20 2011 04:06 GMT
#29305
I think the saddest part of all i that it isnt all-in.. he can easily escape with the prism if idra had spines over his ramp and transition
harrass later with prism etc..

even if he loses the sentries to workers or w.e or reinforcements at the exact right time.. as long as he doesnt warp in too much to lose it, he only lost a bit, while the zerg can instantly lose right there
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
November 20 2011 04:06 GMT
#29306
that was so disappointing, there goes my saturday's sleep
IM & EG supporter
EsMuyVien
Profile Joined July 2011
United States408 Posts
November 20 2011 04:06 GMT
#29307
On November 20 2011 13:02 MrDudeMan wrote:
So why aren't queens massive? Was there ever a reason given? Its not like you'll be pushing into your opponents base with your queens.


That would just be a bad move. Phoenix would be useless. Heavy void switch would be harder to stop. Gateway pushes would be terrible as well.
If what I think is happening is happening - it better not be.
Cosmology
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada360 Posts
November 20 2011 04:07 GMT
#29308
I'm done...I'm so disgusted right now...
Somewhere, something amazing is waiting to be known.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
November 20 2011 04:07 GMT
#29309
On November 20 2011 13:05 xUraharaX wrote:
... that was clearly a broken strat... as if FFE wasnt hard enough to deal with on most maps as it is...
luckily idra has a terran filled lower bracket, hes just got hero to worry about down the line!... seeing the amount of protosses in the top 4 though... im going to go ahead and pin idra at around 6th place for this MLG


Nothing broken about that strat been used for quite some time now. White-ra and Hero does it alot. Idra just need to work on his ZvP its very suspect
Ravnemesteren
Profile Joined May 2011
224 Posts
November 20 2011 04:07 GMT
#29310
The infestor was buffed and then nerfed into oblivion because everyone started to use it. I really hope blizzard understands that the health buff on the warp prism is too much. Queens cant take it out anymore (takes ages), so the sentry drop becomes too powerful.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
November 20 2011 04:08 GMT
#29311
On November 20 2011 13:02 MrDudeMan wrote:
So why aren't queens massive? Was there ever a reason given? Its not like you'll be pushing into your opponents base with your queens.


The problem is if queens were massive then VR would do extra damage to them and early stargate play would be impossible to hold off unless hydras were moved to tier 1
Mzimzim
Profile Joined June 2011
United States221 Posts
November 20 2011 04:08 GMT
#29312
I feel like I just got robbed of an idrA MC series...something just isn' right about that
NerZhuL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States57 Posts
November 20 2011 04:09 GMT
#29313
On November 20 2011 13:05 Korean-MILF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 13:03 Aocowns wrote:
On November 20 2011 13:02 MrDudeMan wrote:
So why aren't queens massive? Was there ever a reason given? Its not like you'll be pushing into your opponents base with your queens.

Because void rays do extra damage to massive. It would make the stargate into warp prism sentry drop OP. Oh wait...


this is true! sad that zerg have to go to hive to deal with forcefields on ramps, while toss have robo+bay, and terran fact+armory...sad


He just needed to have a portion of his army at the top of the ramp, along with maybe a single spore. He has creep and watchtower control to watch for any frontal attacks. It is abusive, but it can be easily defended. Much harder for terran gasless fe to deal with sentry ramp abuse.
Impossible is nothing
hysterial
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 04:09:29
November 20 2011 04:09 GMT
#29314
On November 20 2011 13:06 Khazroul wrote:
I think the saddest part of all i that it isnt all-in.. he can easily escape with the prism if idra had spines over his ramp and transition
harrass later with prism etc..

even if he loses the sentries to workers or w.e or reinforcements at the exact right time.. as long as he doesnt warp in too much to lose it, he only lost a bit, while the zerg can instantly lose right there


Pretty sure if Idra has half his army in the main and half in his natural, he can crush that and be WAAAY ahead since taking a third on dual site is near impossible. The whole strat has a very simple counter, however the main thing is knowing its coming and reacting properly, OR YOU LOSE. That is just bad design, its almost coinflippy, with a weighted coin.
Stiluz
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway688 Posts
November 20 2011 04:09 GMT
#29315
That was the most anticlimatic game I've seen in a while IdrA seemed to have prepared to nice stuff like the Infestor attack, but seems like he didn't have practiced much against WP w/ sentry drop. I honestly have no clue how that can be stopped effectively. Splitting up your army would probably mean death if a straight frontal attack comes.
IVN
Profile Joined October 2010
534 Posts
November 20 2011 04:09 GMT
#29316
On November 20 2011 13:00 PandaMonk wrote:
MC THE 2 BASE HERO, NO NEED TO EXPO AGAIN, JUST 2 BASE ALLLLL DAY

Protoss cant take a 3rd on dual sight. You should know that by now. And on XNC? Well what did you expact, after a well defended all in? ----------> counter attack
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
November 20 2011 04:11 GMT
#29317
On November 20 2011 13:06 EsMuyVien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 13:02 MrDudeMan wrote:
So why aren't queens massive? Was there ever a reason given? Its not like you'll be pushing into your opponents base with your queens.


That would just be a bad move. Phoenix would be useless. Heavy void switch would be harder to stop. Gateway pushes would be terrible as well.


Not really. A heavy void switch is already hard to stop if you don't know its coming, granted it would be a bit harder, but I think every zerg would take the threat of voids for massive queen. Gateway pushes also would not be that terrible. First of all, queens are incredibly slow off creep, so defensive forcefields would still be fine. And the pathing is not good enough to make it so that a queen can move fluently in a roach clump. The only thing it would stop would be early game heavy sentry all ins (i.e 4 gate).
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-20 04:15:18
November 20 2011 04:11 GMT
#29318
On November 20 2011 13:09 hysterial wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 13:06 Khazroul wrote:
I think the saddest part of all i that it isnt all-in.. he can easily escape with the prism if idra had spines over his ramp and transition
harrass later with prism etc..

even if he loses the sentries to workers or w.e or reinforcements at the exact right time.. as long as he doesnt warp in too much to lose it, he only lost a bit, while the zerg can instantly lose right there


Pretty sure if Idra has half his army in the main and half in his natural, he can crush that and be WAAAY ahead since taking a third on dual site is near impossible. The whole strat has a very simple counter, however the main thing is knowing its coming and reacting properly, OR YOU LOSE. That is just bad design, its almost coinflippy, with a weighted coin.


On November 20 2011 12:58 Silver777 wrote:
Warprism Checklist

1. Army outside main? Drop inside main ramp
2. Army inside main? Drop outside main ramp
3. Win


It's not that Protoss can't go against Zerg in a "good" game, but MC just flat out refuses it.

I don't like him.

On November 20 2011 13:12 PandaMonk wrote:
oh well, idra lost , lets hope he does well in the Loser's bracket and takes down some more games!


True, he was in the same position last MLG and got 4th, and his bracket is 0% protoss until I think top 4-6.

So gonna see some sick games, a la Idra vs. Nestea or Idra vs. Bomber.

I actually wanna see Idra vs. MMA/MVP for a real real real realllll good game. None of this FF on the ramp that can't be blocked statically.
PandaMonk
Profile Joined June 2011
United States300 Posts
November 20 2011 04:12 GMT
#29319
oh well, idra lost , lets hope he does well in the Loser's bracket and takes down some more games!
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
November 20 2011 04:13 GMT
#29320
On November 20 2011 13:09 NerZhuL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 13:05 Korean-MILF wrote:
On November 20 2011 13:03 Aocowns wrote:
On November 20 2011 13:02 MrDudeMan wrote:
So why aren't queens massive? Was there ever a reason given? Its not like you'll be pushing into your opponents base with your queens.

Because void rays do extra damage to massive. It would make the stargate into warp prism sentry drop OP. Oh wait...


this is true! sad that zerg have to go to hive to deal with forcefields on ramps, while toss have robo+bay, and terran fact+armory...sad


He just needed to have a portion of his army at the top of the ramp, along with maybe a single spore. He has creep and watchtower control to watch for any frontal attacks. It is abusive, but it can be easily defended. Much harder for terran gasless fe to deal with sentry ramp abuse.

Then MC would just turn around and go on as normal, just that now he could instantly warp in x amount of units anywhere on the map. If he got the speed upgade, it would be impossible to catch up to it as well.
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