The IdrA Fan Club - Page 1414

On November 06 2011 13:51 kanadiasteve wrote:
IdrA crushing it again!

Why aren't we all throwing a magnificent celebration?

On November 06 2011 13:33 cavalier117 wrote:


maybe you should look at everyone's TLPD, and you would see even more losses for them. of course IdrA isnt going to win everything, especially with as many tournaments as he plays, but considering Huk is like the only one with as many 1 place finishes in major tourneys/events this year.

im so freaking tired of reading all these event previews and random people in forums constantly hype people like Ret or Dimaga, or Kiwikaki and many others who never win anything. but say "oh, if he's on his game, he is definitely better than Idra", yet Idra ALWAYS does better and actually wins. but then they say "oh IdrA is slumping" or "herp derp, whitera is gonna beat IdrA for sure" as if anyone is actually on par with him for the most part.

dont even kid yourselves, the last two monthes have shown Idra is NOT slumping, and that there is only one foriegn zerg who could actually contend with him for best foreigner zerg, and sadly Sen hasnt been playing any tourneys lately. Ret/Nerchio/Dimaga/ or even stephano dont have shit on him results-wise at the moment.

On November 06 2011 13:57 LiGhtoftheSwaRm wrote:


Here Here. I feel the same way about it.

I mean, objectively, if you had to classify foreigners into tiers I think it would look like this (leaving Sen off this list and restricting it to westerners):

Tier 1 Capable of not only beating Koreans, but consistently doing so and winning tournaments in which Koreans compete:
IdrA-HuK-Naniwa
Tier 2 Capable of beating Koreans and producing tournament results:
Select-Stephano*-WhiteRa-Sase-Ret**-Dimaga
Tier 3 Capable of beating Koreans:
A lot of people that you're angry I didn't put in Tier 2.

I'm sure I forgot a couple people, but in reality, I will definitely stand by the individuals in Tier 1. If anyone debates that there's a foreigner on their level they're doing so based on conjecture and a logic that deals focues on specific performances instead of an entire body of work. If you had to bet your life on a foreigner to win an MLG, I guarentee it would be on no one outside of that Tier 1.

*Maybe Tier 1 talent but let's let him accumulate 6 months of results and then make this decision
**Tier 2/Tier 3... I personally think Ret is a Tier 1 talent, just has never given a tournament result to back this, he can beat the best when he's on, but who can actually say when that will be?

On November 06 2011 13:33 cavalier117 wrote:


maybe you should look at everyone's TLPD, and you would see even more losses for them. of course IdrA isnt going to win everything, especially with as many tournaments as he plays, but considering Huk is like the only one with as many 1 place finishes in major tourneys/events this year.

im so freaking tired of reading all these event previews and random people in forums constantly hype people like Ret or Dimaga, or Kiwikaki and many others who never win anything. but say "oh, if he's on his game, he is definitely better than Idra", yet Idra ALWAYS does better and actually wins. but then they say "oh IdrA is slumping" or "herp derp, whitera is gonna beat IdrA for sure" as if anyone is actually on par with him for the most part.

dont even kid yourselves, the last two monthes have shown Idra is NOT slumping, and that there is only one foriegn zerg who could actually contend with him for best foreigner zerg, and sadly Sen hasnt been playing any tourneys lately. Ret/Nerchio/Dimaga/ or even stephano dont have shit on him results-wise at the moment.

On November 06 2011 14:32 motbob wrote:

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I don't know how you can make this claim at all. I think anyone who was watching Idra's results closely over the past year would see that he was slumping pretty hard for a long period of time.

By "slumping" I mean that Idra fell quite far from being able to claim that he was the best foreigner. He was "King of the Beta," quite literally, and showed such good results in Korea that he and Jinro were the clear top foreigners for a while. His MLG DC win and that fact that the stars sort of had to align to knock him out of MLG Dallas (Kulas vs Nazgul, close LT positions vs Select) reinforced that position.

The slump began shortly after he left Korea in February. His terrible showing in the IEM V World Championship (0-2 Ace, 2-3 Squirtle, both 2nd-rate Protosses) was a sign pf things to come. Suddenly he was losing to random Protosses all over the place. 1-2 Cruncher. 0-2 Socke. 1-2 Minigun. 0-2 Kiwikaki. And 0-2 MC in the month of April, a result that would be repeated a lot. He bombed out of MLG Dallas to TLO in games that showed that he still couldn't handle Terran cheese reliably.

At this point he won IPL 1 against purely NA players. He could claim to be the #1 American, since his competition in that regard was extremely weak, but Thorzain/Naniwa were considered to be the best foreigners, with Thorzain's victory in TSL and Naniwa's MLG Dallas win.

He continued to show disappointing results to his fans, going 0-2 in the highly anticipated Zenio rematch. That series, along with a 1-2 loss to Sen, largely destroyed what had been a perception that Idra's ZvZ was invincible. His cheese woes continued with a 1-4 loss to dde, a player who had not accomplished much before winning vs Idra and has not accomplished much since.

Columbus was interesting. In that tournament, it became obvious that Idra had some mental issues that needed to be worked out. Idra 2-0ed MC in the first series of the tournament, only to lose 0-4 in an extended series in games that were simply disgraceful. Columbus was also the setting for the infamous "early GG" game vs MMA.

After Columbus, things settled down a little bit. Idra went 0-2 against Boxer, but was showing OK results elsewhere. 0-2 losses to MC and Zenio solidified the idea that Idra simply couldn't win against Koreans. At Anaheim, he showed OK results, losing only to Boxer 0-2 (again) and Naniwa 1-2. He got pretty far in IPL 2, failed to qualify for Blizzcon, and bombed out of Raleigh (losing to Trimaster; this was probably the low point of the last 8 months).

Anyway, that was the setting in which Idra won IEM China and did really well in Orlando. It was such a massive shift in perception towards Idra when that happened. Before those two tournaments, Idra couldn't win against Koreans; his ZvP was god-awful; he couldn't defend cheese if his life depended on it; there was a list of about 5 foreigners for whom you could make a much better case for the title of "best foreigner"; he had unsolvable mental problems.

Those perceptions of Idra are now all in the past.

On November 06 2011 14:32 motbob wrote:

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I don't know how you can make this claim at all. I think anyone who was watching Idra's results closely over the past year would see that he was slumping pretty hard for a long period of time.

By "slumping" I mean that Idra fell quite far from being able to claim that he was the best foreigner. He was "King of the Beta," quite literally, and showed such good results in Korea that he and Jinro were the clear top foreigners for a while. His MLG DC win and that fact that the stars sort of had to align to knock him out of MLG Dallas (Kulas vs Nazgul, close LT positions vs Select) reinforced that position.

The slump began shortly after he left Korea in February. His terrible showing in the IEM V World Championship (0-2 Ace, 2-3 Squirtle, both 2nd-rate Protosses) was a sign pf things to come. Suddenly he was losing to random Protosses all over the place. 1-2 Cruncher. 0-2 Socke. 1-2 Minigun. 0-2 Kiwikaki. And 0-2 MC in the month of April, a result that would be repeated a lot. He bombed out of MLG Dallas to TLO in games that showed that he still couldn't handle Terran cheese reliably.

At this point he won IPL 1 against purely NA players. He could claim to be the #1 American, since his competition in that regard was extremely weak, but Thorzain/Naniwa were considered to be the best foreigners, with Thorzain's victory in TSL and Naniwa's MLG Dallas win.

He continued to show disappointing results to his fans, going 0-2 in the highly anticipated Zenio rematch. That series, along with a 1-2 loss to Sen, largely destroyed what had been a perception that Idra's ZvZ was invincible. His cheese woes continued with a 1-4 loss to dde, a player who had not accomplished much before winning vs Idra and has not accomplished much since.

Columbus was interesting. In that tournament, it became obvious that Idra had some mental issues that needed to be worked out. Idra 2-0ed MC in the first series of the tournament, only to lose 0-4 in an extended series in games that were simply disgraceful. Columbus was also the setting for the infamous "early GG" game vs MMA.

After Columbus, things settled down a little bit. Idra went 0-2 against Boxer, but was showing OK results elsewhere. 0-2 losses to MC and Zenio solidified the idea that Idra simply couldn't win against Koreans. At Anaheim, he showed OK results, losing only to Boxer 0-2 (again) and Naniwa 1-2. He got pretty far in IPL 2, failed to qualify for Blizzcon, and bombed out of Raleigh (losing to Trimaster; this was probably the low point of the last 8 months).

Anyway, that was the setting in which Idra won IEM China and did really well in Orlando. It was such a massive shift in perception towards Idra when that happened. Before those two tournaments, Idra couldn't win against Koreans; his ZvP was god-awful; he couldn't defend cheese if his life depended on it; there was a list of about 5 foreigners for whom you could make a much better case for the title of "best foreigner"; he had unsolvable mental problems.

Those perceptions of Idra are now all in the past.

On November 06 2011 16:51 Mycl wrote:
With all this talk about his results and TLPD I decided to look at his profile. Was just wondering if there is a reason his MLG invitational win is not listed? Does the stats just take time for people to update or is it not being classified as a tournament win? He beat fairly good players and won some money so I'm not sure. I am a TLPD newbie

On November 06 2011 15:22 cavalier117 wrote:


Not exactly what i mean Motbob, he absolutely was slumping the past during that time, but to say that he is still slumping now? its not even possible to argue it intelligently.

what i meant was that people STILL try to make claims that players like Ret or dimaga, or even Morrow are better than Idra when they cant even get a gold medal in a single large scale tourney, just bc these players manage take a series off Idra.(yes Morrow included, even though Idra cant seem to beat him, Morrow never wins anything noteworthy either) considering that Thorzain and Naniwa havent done anything noteworthy lately either (Idra actually beating Thorzain in their last match) it's hard to put them in the running either. Thorzain did get second in that Dreamhack, but when the chips were down and he actually had to play a Korean, he failed too.

I'll concede that its VERY difficult to argue against Stephano at the moment. but i would have loved to see Stephano play MMA at IPL 3 or MC at the ECWS tourney. there is no doubt that Idra always has the possibility beat those too. Stephano? im not sure. yea he can beat mid tier Koreans, but TheSTC and lucky dont exactly compare to MC or Bomber.

One thing i'd like to remind people; Huk beat Moon (lol) at Dreamhack, then won Homestory(he did take out MC and Idra though, which is big) people HAIL him AMAZING(rightly so i would admit) bc he won two tournies. Idra wins IEM, beating Puma in a spectacular series, then go to Orlando and does amazing,taking out Hongun (code S protoss, Idra's kryptonite) Boxer, and rolling every non korean, and most importantly, taking out Bomber, which is huge because lets face it. if Idra didnt beat Bomber, there is no way in hell Huk or even MC would have won against him. Bomber would have rolled them both hard and took first. Only Idra had the macro skill required to beat Bomber, which he barely managed to do. watching Huk or MC try and do macro against bomber would have been comical. The IdrA/Bomber match was without a doubt, the tourney defining match of MLG Orlando. If Idra had lost, the winner's podium would have been way different. and THEN he wins this tourney. which is, like Huk, 2 huge wins in quick succession and he still doesnt get the large scale props he deserves. you can hate on someone all you want, but when people's bias of his personality affect the perception of skill/results.... its just....aggravating. i freaking HATE MC, just dont really like anything at all about his play, other than that he wins. but i still acknowledge how good he is.

best foreigner? no, not yet* i would still give it to HuK(for now) best foreign Zerg though? only one who could legitamately put up a fight over that is sen.

On November 06 2011 17:35 89andy wrote:
If Idra was slumping hard, then what can we classify Jinro as lol. Jesus christ he's done even worst in every single event he's participated in.

On November 06 2011 18:15 AgentChaos wrote:

yeh i wonder whatever happens to him? he was in ro16 gsl before