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CeriseCherries
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Nash
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On November 06 2011 03:30 Sedz wrote: Select: Korean, Taken games off MVP, one of the best foreign terrans Select. Korean and one of the best foreign terrans. Makes sense. | ||
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Triscuit
United States722 Posts
On November 06 2011 07:17 Nash wrote: Select. Korean and one of the best foreign terrans. Makes sense. Ahaha, I love that stuff. That's an argument that only spawns from genuinely mistaking what people really mean when they say a player is "Korean." A "Korean" is someone who has picked up the Korean practice schedule. It has absolutely nothing to do with race, it's all about access to the Korean's practice infrastructure. But people misunderstand this and start to attribute things purely to race, which is really funny. Like HuK. He's been in Korea for a while, and I would consider him a "Korean" player, or getting very close to one considering how long he's been there and the access he has to very good players. It still might take some time. And this is really only because I know from a lot of accounts that HuK practices very very hard, which you would expect from the traditional "Korean" players. | ||
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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Scisyhp
United States200 Posts
On November 06 2011 07:31 Triscuit wrote: Ahaha, I love that stuff. That's an argument that only spawns from genuinely mistaking what people really mean when they say a player is "Korean." A "Korean" is someone who has picked up the Korean practice schedule. It has absolutely nothing to do with race, it's all about access to the Korean's practice infrastructure. But people misunderstand this and start to attribute things purely to race, which is really funny. Like HuK. He's been in Korea for a while, and I would consider him a "Korean" player, or getting very close to one considering how long he's been there and the access he has to very good players. It still might take some time. And this is really only because I know from a lot of accounts that HuK practices very very hard, which you would expect from the traditional "Korean" players. Select is living in and practicing in Korea at the FXO house, so I wouldn't say he's not korean by racial or your standards. | ||
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
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Warrice
United States565 Posts
On November 06 2011 08:05 Golbat wrote: I don't know what it is about idra, but people always seem to want to count him out. At the end of games yesterday, pretty much everyone in the stream chat was calling elfi to win, and I was pretty much the only person that said idra would walk over white-ra and then also beat up on the winner of elfi-select. Called it. You can't cheese very easily vs terran, and elfi is a very cheesy player. Also doesnt help that select has one of the best tvp's even in korea. | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On November 06 2011 08:05 Golbat wrote: I don't know what it is about idra, but people always seem to want to count him out. At the end of games yesterday, pretty much everyone in the stream chat was calling elfi to win, and I was pretty much the only person that said idra would walk over white-ra and then also beat up on the winner of elfi-select. Called it. You do realize that most of the people in chat were Finnish right? They were cheering for Elfi cause hes from Finland. | ||
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Mvrio
689 Posts
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Teeky
United States84 Posts
On November 06 2011 03:10 Vapaach wrote: I am the guy holding this sign and the one who made it ^^ I guess I could clarify that the upper text is "you may have drops but Idra has mutas" and the lower is "p.s ghost imba" I thought the text was quite clear but apparently not. Idra is such a nice guy even though he has a BM reputation. So happy that he won today. Haha, nice sign! I was going to post a screen too. Congrats, Grack. | ||
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xtfftc
United Kingdom2343 Posts
On November 06 2011 03:36 Micket wrote: floats minerals and is gas starved Floating minerals in the mid/late game is not a flaw. Once the zerg has enough drones and is (almost) maxed, there's nothing to dump them into unless there are non-stop engagements. Also, minerals get mined out quicker than gas geysers, so saving minerals actually makes sense as you'll continue mining gas even after all the minerals are gone. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On November 06 2011 02:42 hmunkey wrote: He's also been at the top for over a year. Even when he wasn't dominant, he was one of the top 3 non-Koreans pretty much every tournament he entered. How do you come to this conclusion? TLPD easily shows you are objectively wrong. Yes he was better than most in beta; it's not a surprise when he was in a Korean prohouse for 2 years prior to it. He was at the same level as say, MMA before the switch to SC2. So he came into the game with a big mechanics advantage over most foreigners. Then he noticeably struggled for a long time (and still is somewhat) as people seem to catch up. I mean just look at the giant block of L's on his page.. that isn't dominance. He's dropping series all the time to other foreigners. Maybe it's somewhat the games volatility, everyone seems to be able to take bo3's from everyone. But it would be nice if we saw some real dominance like he mostly showed in his last year of BW play, in foreign tournaments. Only Ret/Nony even had a chance back then. | ||
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Frozenserpent
United States143 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:49 xtfftc wrote: Floating minerals in the mid/late game is not a flaw. Once the zerg has enough drones and is (almost) maxed, there's nothing to dump them into unless there are non-stop engagements. Also, minerals get mined out quicker than gas geysers, so saving minerals actually makes sense as you'll continue mining gas even after all the minerals are gone. That's true, and something I've noticed over the course of my games. In the past, I would try to spend all my minerals, dumping them into a lot of macro hatches, a lot of static d, and a lot of zerglings. Then, I can look at my bank and see that I am "macroing well" by having my money low. However, since I just mineral dumped into stuff that aren't giving me great utility, it's not an effective use of the money. At the game drags on, as I have many bases and access to many gas geysers, and as my bases start mining out, I find that I'm mineral starved again. I can only have 80 drones mining, realistically. If i'm mining from 6 base worth of gas, that is 36 drones mining gas, leaving only 44 drones mining minerals. I find that I am getting excessive gas buildup, so I end up spamming infestors, again, trying to keep money low. Of course, having a shit-ton of mineral-heavy units mid game and throwing them away, then later having a shit-ton of infestors and using them sloppily... it's not optimal. Of course you want lings. They're great for runbies, harass, fights, etc. But adding more lings than necessary isn't going to scale very well. Similarly, having a LOT of infestors over having an ok number of infestors doesn't add as much. You can't control them well enough to extract the most usage out of each infestor. You can't stack fungals or NP. Instead, you either have a lot of infestors not doing as much in a big battle, or you just dump the energy in infested terran, which actually isn't that bad. Still, I'm starting to see why someone like idra would bank so many minerals at that point. The idea is that, as the game drags on, he's going to need those minerals. As his bases mine out, that bank of minerals will be crucial, with gas income going up and mineral income going down. The idea behind it is that you have an efficient mid-game army, setting you up with the resources to use late-game. That's the way I see it, anyways. This concept of banking minerals applies to all the races. So, let's say a protoss player isn't expecting to win based on a certain timing. He gets to a point where he's on a saturated 3 mining bases. Minerals are shooting up now. Initially, he's going to use that minerals for gateway counts, for cannons against multi-pronged attacks, etc. Maybe even for warp prism harass with zealots. Fast forward the game a bit. He's secured a 4th base. He has sufficient cannons up and around. His infrastructure is excellent, with a high gateway count. He's comfortably reaching out for 5th and 6th bases, and of course he has a ton of minerals being built up. It seems in this situation, it's not wise for him to build even more gateways or even more cannons, if he has a sufficient number already. And it's not wise to just dump his minerals in a ton of zealots and just charge them in. Ideally, he would be spending a little bit of that in warp prism/zealot harass, rebuild cannons to keep his bases harass-resistant, and just bank that. The game will drag out. His gas income will increase. While archons are good, he can't just dump gas into a lot of archons. He's going to want blink stalker remaxes, and he'll need minerals if he wants to tech switch to void rays. | ||
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jeeeeohn
United States1343 Posts
And it looks like Elfi is the real deal, though WhiteRA is out of practice because of his new relationship (or so I've heard). | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On November 06 2011 10:49 xtfftc wrote: Floating minerals in the mid/late game is not a flaw. Once the zerg has enough drones and is (almost) maxed, there's nothing to dump them into unless there are non-stop engagements. Also, minerals get mined out quicker than gas geysers, so saving minerals actually makes sense as you'll continue mining gas even after all the minerals are gone. And more importantly, Idra isn't gas starved, he's got a mineral surplus. When you have 10-15 more drones than most other pro Zerg in the early-mid game, while sitting on the same number of bases, you're going to have a much higher mineral income. | ||
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esla_sol
United States756 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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draw_de
Australia16 Posts
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cavalier117
United States430 Posts
On November 06 2011 12:00 infinity2k9 wrote: How do you come to this conclusion? TLPD easily shows you are objectively wrong. Yes he was better than most in beta; it's not a surprise when he was in a Korean prohouse for 2 years prior to it. He was at the same level as say, MMA before the switch to SC2. So he came into the game with a big mechanics advantage over most foreigners. Then he noticeably struggled for a long time (and still is somewhat) as people seem to catch up. I mean just look at the giant block of L's on his page.. that isn't dominance. He's dropping series all the time to other foreigners. Maybe it's somewhat the games volatility, everyone seems to be able to take bo3's from everyone. But it would be nice if we saw some real dominance like he mostly showed in his last year of BW play, in foreign tournaments. Only Ret/Nony even had a chance back then. maybe you should look at everyone's TLPD, and you would see even more losses for them. of course IdrA isnt going to win everything, especially with as many tournaments as he plays, but considering Huk is like the only one with as many 1 place finishes in major tourneys/events this year. im so freaking tired of reading all these event previews and random people in forums constantly hype people like Ret or Dimaga, or Kiwikaki and many others who never win anything. but say "oh, if he's on his game, he is definitely better than Idra", yet Idra ALWAYS does better and actually wins. but then they say "oh IdrA is slumping" or "herp derp, whitera is gonna beat IdrA for sure" as if anyone is actually on par with him for the most part. dont even kid yourselves, the last two monthes have shown Idra is NOT slumping, and that there is only one foriegn zerg who could actually contend with him for best foreigner zerg, and sadly Sen hasnt been playing any tourneys lately. Ret/Nerchio/Dimaga/ or even stephano dont have shit on him results-wise at the moment. | ||
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