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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:06 schmutttt wrote: As I said before, not volatile, IdrA just played really poorly. The early game is pretty volatile. One lucky baneling hit and you may have won, even if you outplayed your opponent up until that point. From the comments, it doesnt seem like it was an early game loss, so Idra must have played shitty... | ||
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Psyclon
Bulgaria2443 Posts
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:09 Aocowns wrote: The early game is pretty volatile. One lucky baneling hit and you may have won, even if you outplayed your opponent up until that point. From the comments, it doesnt seem like it was an early game loss, so Idra must have played shitty... well he used hydra vs muta infestors are better because hydra dies to banelings its just poor game decision | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote: Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. IdrA's loss. He lost fair and square for not scouting the hidden expo from LiveZerg. LiveZerg played to win, while IdrA played like he already won and lost. | ||
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Pooman
148 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:12 Azarkon wrote: IdrA's loss. He lost fair and square for not scouting the hidden expo from LiveZerg. LiveZerg played to win, while IdrA played like he already won and lost. lol why quote me bro. your post has nothing to do with mine. i know idra lost fair and square i posted that in another post. mad bro gg | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:12 Azarkon wrote: IdrA's loss. He lost fair and square for not scouting the hidden expo from LiveZerg. LiveZerg played to win, while IdrA played like he already won and lost. Still a pretty bad loss for ESWC. The people that are not going to watch because Idra is not there is higher than the people that gained interest in watching livezerg for defeating Idra. I doubt I'm going to continue watching unless some awesome match up comes up | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:09 Aocowns wrote: The early game is pretty volatile. One lucky baneling hit and you may have won, even if you outplayed your opponent up until that point. From the comments, it doesnt seem like it was an early game loss, so Idra must have played shitty... but idra won early game.... he was far ahead actually | ||
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Schellenlord
Germany16 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:09 Aocowns wrote: The early game is pretty volatile. One lucky baneling hit and you may have won, even if you outplayed your opponent up until that point. From the comments, it doesnt seem like it was an early game loss, so Idra must have played shitty... IdrA came out ahead of the early game and lost in a straight game, because he simply didn't play well. At least i have more time for productive stuff now  | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:15 Aocowns wrote: Still a pretty bad loss for ESWC. The people that are not going to watch because Idra is not there is higher than the people that gained interest in watching livezerg for defeating Idra. I doubt I'm going to continue watching unless some awesome match up comes up Maybe, maybe not, but short of rigging games, no tournament can prevent IdrA from losing. It's up to him. | ||
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:15 Aocowns wrote: Still a pretty bad loss for ESWC. The people that are not going to watch because Idra is not there is higher than the people that gained interest in watching livezerg for defeating Idra. I doubt I'm going to continue watching unless some awesome match up comes up dont be so sure theres like more than 5k russians watching because of livezerg :D | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:17 bgx wrote: but idra won early game.... he was far ahead actually Not as much as you'd think. The time where IdrA's lead felt the best he was never up by more than a handful of drones, but not that much when they're constantly being produced and the supplies are in flux. Had he actually just done some large roach/ling allin w/ runbys into the main, he probably could've ended it before mutas popped. Instead he went played his usual passive style knowing mutas were coming but got complacent. He was certainly ahead, but he was not so far ahead that he would be able to cruise to victory unless LZ stupidly went like pure roach. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:17 bgx wrote: but idra won early game.... he was far ahead actually IdrA came out ahead of the early game and lost in a straight game, because he simply didn't play well. At least i have more time for productive stuff now That's what I said. He must have played poorly. That still doesn't change the fact that ZvZ early game is volatile, with all the bling crazyness | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:22 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Not as much as you'd think. The time where IdrA's lead felt the best he was never up by more than a handful of drones, but not that much when they're constantly being produced and the supplies are in flux. Had he actually just done some large roach/ling allin w/ runbys into the main, he probably could've ended it before mutas popped. Instead he went played his usual passive style knowing mutas were coming but got complacent. He was certainly ahead, but he was not so far ahead that he would be able to cruise to victory unless LZ stupidly went like pure roach. far ahead in sense, if he capitalized on that, he didnt, at least +10 more larvae put that into roaches and livezergs ggs | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:25 bgx wrote: far ahead in sense, if he capitalized on that, he didnt, at least +10 more larvae put that into roaches and livezergs ggs Which is what, say, Sen would've done and why Sen wins ZvZs. I think IdrA and Ret have similar styles in ZvZ, with IdrA having a safer, less risky style (Ret tends to take risks early on by teching relatively fast). But both fail to play solid enough (as in, scouting all the bases and responding with timing attacks when the opponent gets greedy) to consistently win players who are willing to take huge risks against them. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:28 Azarkon wrote: Which is what, say, Sen would've done and why Sen wins ZvZs. I think IdrA and Ret have similar styles in ZvZ, with IdrA having a safer, generally more consistent style. But both fail to play solid enough (as in, consistently scouting all the bases and responding with timing attacks when the opponent gets greedy) to take wins from players who are willing to take huge risks against them. IdrA used to have great timings in ZvZ while he was in Korea. ZvZ remains the least explored matchup. So many of the games are decided either through early baneling pressure or the subsequent roach timing. While I don't think there will be much revolution in its, it certainly has a lot of kinks to work out once the bling and roach timings are gone and the later midgame has started. Simiilar to BW, except it's a lot easier to reach that point. Lategame BW ZvZ was insane and always something to be seen when every unit basically gets made and there's a constant feeling of not knowing what's going to happen next. Anything that isn't ling/bling or roaches has that feeling at this point still. | ||
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Thebbeuttiffulland
Brazil288 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:28 Azarkon wrote: Which is what, say, Sen would've done and why Sen wins ZvZs. I think IdrA and Ret have similar styles in ZvZ, with IdrA having a safer, less risky style (Ret tends to take risks early on by teching relatively fast). But both fail to play solid enough (as in, scouting all the bases and responding with timing attacks when the opponent gets greedy) to consistently win players who are willing to take huge risks against them. well idra taking risks in droning so i wouldnt call that safer | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
what people call risks isnt exactly the same in zvz, yet there are people who have insane winrates in this MU because they are much stronger mentally and have better timings thats why you have people winning up hill zvzs, because their set of decisions is just better, jaedong(1-2 year ago) is prime example of zvz in bw (but that was HEAVILY influenced by muta micro) zvz in bw was also kinda rock paper scissor but that didnt mean you cannot have imba winrate, if you are stronger mentally/mechanically | ||
n64bomb
United States15 Posts
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Crassulacean
68 Posts
On October 22 2011 22:03 Pooman wrote: Oh well. ESWC's loss. I have no interest in the tournament anymore. Me too :/ Boring weekend for now i guess.Maybe i will go out and explore the world.Read news maybe. edit 1: oh shit gaddafi just died! edit 2: floods in thailand OK no more news. back to sc2 | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
I face masters in ZvZ and know the matchup fairly well . Best stray IMO is roach ling timing attacks when plus 1 finishes and zerglings rallied in to hit at the same time as your roaches get to their natural | ||
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