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wonderwall
New Zealand695 Posts
hmm...why did i received a warning for writing this? O.o I was laughing at Whole's picture of the 2nd returning of God when i asked how will Idra be after going to Korea.... Any guess? Contributes nothing to the thread. Looks like Idra will have a highly ranked finish but might not win it. Wining six straight sets against the best players in the world... hard times. | ||
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-Some1.
Portugal168 Posts
So bringing humor to a thread is bad? And it only takes some minutes to read another posts by me and realise that i take this thread seriously when i have to. This is a fanclub, not a morgue. It's made so that fans can unite and support their idol in the same place and have fun doing it. But of course this is my oppinion ^.^ Let them do whatever they whant. | ||
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Begtse
France135 Posts
On October 16 2011 14:47 -Some1. wrote: hmm...why did i received a warning for writing this? O.o It's the IdrA fanclub thread, we must have bans and warnings here and there. What do you expect? :p Couldn't see most of MLG this time, i hope the gracken is doing fine, i want a stephano/IdrA finals! | ||
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On October 16 2011 15:16 Begtse wrote: It's the IdrA fanclub thread, we must have bans and warnings here and there. What do you expect? :p Couldn't see most of MLG this time, i hope the gracken is doing fine, i want a stephano/IdrA finals! + Show Spoiler + Technically impossible, but if Stephano wins out vs Kiwikaki, Boxer and Sase, an Idra Stephano match is in the works  . | ||
Nyarly
France1030 Posts
I don't want to troll, i really don't get why. Is it because idra beat MKP ? Anyway, impressive play in the pools, i really see idra in the semifinals now :D | ||
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ILoveCoffee
Malaysia164 Posts
On October 16 2011 16:37 NanaCry wrote: Can someone explain me why with the same score (4-1 ; 9-3) idra is second and MKP first ? I don't want to troll, i really don't get why. Is it because idra beat MKP ? Anyway, impressive play in the pools, i really see idra in the semifinals now :D It is because MKP beat IdrA 2-1. If scores are the same, matches played between them will be used to determine the placing. | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
Boxer beats Stephano Boxer beats Sase Idra beats Boxer and faces July | ||
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Nyarly
France1030 Posts
On October 16 2011 16:45 ILoveCoffee wrote: It is because MKP beat IdrA 2-1. If scores are the same, matches played between them will be used to determine the placing. Thanks ! | ||
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Shaetan
United States1175 Posts
On October 16 2011 17:14 Denzil wrote: Best case scenario, Stephano beats Kiwi Boxer beats Stephano Boxer beats Sase Idra beats Boxer and faces July I can see IdrA beating July fairly easily if it comes to that, his ZvZ has never been all that impressive. I think if he runs into TheStC after that he could beat him but if Bomber drops down he would likely lose to him. | ||
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
Things just got massively more difficult for IdrA and winning the tournament looks a lot less likely. He'll probably have to face MKP on the way to the final and that means a stupid extended series. | ||
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DeflowSC2
Sweden76 Posts
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Klive5ive
United Kingdom6056 Posts
On October 16 2011 17:54 DeflowSC2 wrote: I really dislike how long terran can stick on 3 base and turtle. Idra played amazing starcraft, I have never seen so many counterattacks, he was so active, and then came the marines. I really dislike these things, in my opinion Idra did definently deserve to win that game. Upgrade rushes have been around forever and are often effective. It's not just Terran both Protoss and Zerg can do a similar thing. For example Stephano's play often incorporates fast melee upgrades in the TvZ matchup. It leads to a similar mid/late game tilt as we saw. It was just beautifully executed by MKP. IdrA played a style that tried to counter it but he just didn't quite get enough done. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I was really amazed by how high level those games were, especially game 3. Idra's Muta harass and ling counter attack was gosu. He killed so many units and SCVs with harass and counter attack.. He managed to scrape himself ahead quite well. What saved MKP? His upgrades and his marine micro. As much as I dislike seeing Idra lose, if he's going to lose he might as well lose to the best, most classy player in the tournament. MKP played really well to defend the harass and still have just enough to push and win. Really well. People are quick to bash Idra and his lack of infestors, his attacking Marines with Muta and whatnot but I feel it isn't quite justified. MKP simply outplayed idra, but by a very small margin. The very quick upgrades played a huge role. Had Idra refined his play to incorporate speedupgrades as well.. well the game could have been Idra's. An exciting series all in all. I still think Idra's got it in him to go really far in this tournament. Perhaps even win! We'll see. | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On October 16 2011 18:04 Klive5ive wrote: Upgrade rushes have been around forever and are often effective. It's not just Terran both Protoss and Zerg can do a similar thing. For example Stephano's play often incorporates fast melee upgrades in the TvZ matchup. It leads to a similar mid/late game tilt as we saw. It was just beautifully executed by MKP. IdrA played a style that tried to counter it but he just didn't quite get enough done. MKP just built marines and got upgrades. That was basically it. I don't see anything particularly impressive or "beautifully executed" about that. Idra did really well with the constant counterattacking (he must have picked around 5-6 tanks alone with those attacks) and he was in a big advantage simply because MKP's tank count wasn't as high as it could be in the big engagement. His mistake was overcommitting the mutas in the final engagement, he should have pulled back and got more lings/banelings, and then finish off that army. Lack of more upgrades were also an issue, going with 2/0 lings vs. 3/3 marines is a tough battle. He also lost a ton of lings without much damage dealt just before the big engagement during a counterattack to MKP's base, but there were a ton of marines there. If he had those lings, I think Idra would have won that game. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
I'd say that MKP's play got him the win just as much as Idra's mistakes did. I'm just hoping Idra comes back and wins the series when they face each other again (that's going to happen btw). | ||
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Spell_Crafted
United States192 Posts
On October 16 2011 19:29 Incognoto wrote: Idra got behind on upgrades and over-committed his units before the last fight, that is true. I couldn't not agree with that. But MKP managed to not get completely overrun by Idra's counter attacks and "hold on" until he had 3-3 upgrades on his marines. That and getting the most out of his marines in the final battles is what won him the game. Very few players micro marines that well and MKP reminded us why he's named the way he is. That's why I think it's a little rich to say he just made marines and got upgrades. That's just my opinion of course. I'd say that MKP's play got him the win just as much as Idra's mistakes did. I'm just hoping Idra comes back and wins the series when they face each other again (that's going to happen btw). I think you hit the important point there. It's not that MKP got 3/3 upgrades, it's that he was able to hold on from constant pressure to do so. Pretty good stuff. I do have to say I'm quite sad that IdrA lost that game though. I have been really excited to see him playing so well again the last few weeks. He's becoming the old IdrA that every foreigner and hell a fair number of Koreans fear, and with good reason. Also, his creep spread in that 1st game vs. MKP (or was it TLO? It's late and I'm tired and can't remember. Map was shattered temple, however) was both beautiful and obscene. I love it when a zerg knows what an advantage they have in map vision. It's not that he just spread creep far, he spread the tumors to specific points like the edges of his main for vision that in itself shut down an incoming drop. Add to that overloads everywhere and spewing creep to add to the harass of an attack, and wow. I'm so glad IdrA is back! | ||
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
I'm not here to judge what Idra should have done but saying 'lol get upgrades noob' is simply showing your complete lack of understanding of Starcraft economy management. Part of the reason of this is because everyone who isn't pro is sooo bad at macro they have floating gas anyway and get the upgrades when they want, and not realise that it actually takes decision making to get upgrades. | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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vOdToasT
Sweden2870 Posts
On October 16 2011 20:20 Micket wrote: Why do people keep talking about upgrades? Zerg is not gonna go 14 minute Hive tech, have no economy and have a ling heavy army vs mass marine. Are people seriously saying Idra should have teched to Hive on 3 base economy 6 gas? He had to establish his 4th and unfortunately, Marineking's solid defence gave him a very good timing to attack, and the 4th never got drones transferred to it. If you wanna see what double evo fast upgrades into infestor into Hive into adrenal glands into Ultra on 3 base looks like, watch Marineking vs Goswser. If you are investing into mutas, you cannot tech to Hive before your 4th base, because you will notice your map control simply disappears, mutas become paper weight, and you lose. People then say 'lol should have massed ling bling.' I'm not here to judge what Idra should have done but saying 'lol get upgrades noob' is simply showing your complete lack of understanding of Starcraft economy management. Part of the reason of this is because everyone who isn't pro is sooo bad at macro they have floating gas anyway and get the upgrades when they want, and not realise that it actually takes decision making to get upgrades. I'm not pro and I never float on gas | ||
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Fleshcut
Germany592 Posts
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