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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 12 2011 09:17 GMT
#37361
On November 12 2011 16:37 Gummy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 16:29 Radioman wrote:
I really hate MR clips. I don't know why people compare vocals from them.

Because it's disappointing how poor some singers are. If you can train somebody to dance, you can definitely train someone to hold a tune. I don't understand why these training agencies don't invest more time and money into this training. T_T

You only pick a handful for singing ability. The rest are there because of who they know or just to look pretty. It's much easier to train someone to dance than to sing.
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chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
November 12 2011 09:31 GMT
#37362
On November 12 2011 18:17 Craton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 16:37 Gummy wrote:
On November 12 2011 16:29 Radioman wrote:
I really hate MR clips. I don't know why people compare vocals from them.

Because it's disappointing how poor some singers are. If you can train somebody to dance, you can definitely train someone to hold a tune. I don't understand why these training agencies don't invest more time and money into this training. T_T

You only pick a handful for singing ability. The rest are there because of who they know or just to look pretty. It's much easier to train someone to dance than to sing.


There just aren't enough beautiful talented singers who can follow a choreography to fill out all these idol bands. I mean look what happened when SM concentrated dancing ability, singing ability, and appearance in one group . . . it became the most dominant Kpop group of all time in terms of sales in Korea and Japan (TVXQ). It's not that management wouldn't like for every group to be like TVXQ, there aren't enough amazing trainees to go around (especially girl groups, who typically rely less on talent).
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17281 Posts
November 12 2011 09:32 GMT
#37363
There is no shortage of low-talent male members. I would say there are even fewer male idols capable of singing than female idols.
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andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 09:40:13
November 12 2011 09:39 GMT
#37364
a lot of people underestimate how hard it is to dance and sing at the same time.
if you're looking to guesstimate vocal ability, MRs are the worst way to go about it; I would suggest off-stage performances/covers on radio stations, or live recording sessions of actual ballads (read: not kpop).

ex:


edit: actually in hindsight, that's a terrible example since she can sing on and off the stage ^^
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Radioman
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada904 Posts
November 12 2011 09:56 GMT
#37365


Some people can sing well you just never see it.

I was pleased to hear yuri sing her heart on around 1:30 in this.

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chenchen
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1136 Posts
November 12 2011 10:07 GMT
#37366
On November 12 2011 18:32 Craton wrote:
There is no shortage of low-talent male members. I would say there are even fewer male idols capable of singing than female idols.


There are certainly many male idols with no talent but I think that, overall, the bar for male groups is set higher. Maybe a bad female singer's voice just sounds more pleasant to you than a bad male singer. No girl groups will impress me as much as the best male groups. Live performances of Mirotic still amaze me, no matter how many times I've seen it.
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Ixas
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
930 Posts
November 12 2011 12:10 GMT
#37367
On November 12 2011 14:36 Kergy wrote:
Where do you guys watch the music shows?
I haven't been able to see one since KPF died...

Still alive in name
Ixas.parkjiyeon.net
hubfub
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Australia352 Posts
November 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#37368
just got back from kpop in sydney fest!!! caught a rose that seohyun threw from the stage ZOMG SO AWESOME
Hirmu
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Finland850 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 14:16:46
November 12 2011 13:27 GMT
#37369
On November 12 2011 19:07 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 18:32 Craton wrote:
There is no shortage of low-talent male members. I would say there are even fewer male idols capable of singing than female idols.


There are certainly many male idols with no talent but I think that, overall, the bar for male groups is set higher. Maybe a bad female singer's voice just sounds more pleasant to you than a bad male singer. No girl groups will impress me as much as the best male groups. Live performances of Mirotic still amaze me, no matter how many times I've seen it.

Yep mirotic best song ever.

Really good live show and bit "weird"
OopsOopsBaby
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Singapore3425 Posts
November 12 2011 13:45 GMT
#37370
it seems like tiffany changed face again.
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Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
November 12 2011 13:55 GMT
#37371
On November 12 2011 21:17 hubfub wrote:
just got back from kpop in sydney fest!!! caught a rose that seohyun threw from the stage ZOMG SO AWESOME

Haha sweet! I bet it was a good show.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Espelz
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany830 Posts
November 12 2011 15:07 GMT
#37372
On November 12 2011 22:45 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
it seems like tiffany changed face again.


Unfortunately not for the better, if you are referring to the video a few posts above
"Its not over till Fantasy gg´s" - Sayle
TunaBarrett
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden1045 Posts
November 12 2011 15:17 GMT
#37373
On November 13 2011 00:07 Espelz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 22:45 OopsOopsBaby wrote:
it seems like tiffany changed face again.


Unfortunately not for the better, if you are referring to the video a few posts above


since that video is a year old, he was probably not referring to that.
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 15:39:08
November 12 2011 15:33 GMT
#37374
On November 12 2011 19:07 chenchen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 18:32 Craton wrote:
There is no shortage of low-talent male members. I would say there are even fewer male idols capable of singing than female idols.


There are certainly many male idols with no talent but I think that, overall, the bar for male groups is set higher. Maybe a bad female singer's voice just sounds more pleasant to you than a bad male singer. No girl groups will impress me as much as the best male groups. Live performances of Mirotic still amaze me, no matter how many times I've seen it.


Well it's a pretty proven fact that boy groups are far better live than girl groups.

I have huge respect for a band like Super Junior, who have great choreography despite being a huge group
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
November 12 2011 15:50 GMT
#37375
Having more vocalists then one is more of a plus then a need, you don't need many people who can actually sing, (female kpop) is just dance-based and visuals now so there is little need for good vocalists.
WriterXiao8~~
jax1492
Profile Joined November 2009
United States1632 Posts
November 12 2011 15:51 GMT
#37376
On November 13 2011 00:33 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 12 2011 19:07 chenchen wrote:
On November 12 2011 18:32 Craton wrote:
There is no shortage of low-talent male members. I would say there are even fewer male idols capable of singing than female idols.


There are certainly many male idols with no talent but I think that, overall, the bar for male groups is set higher. Maybe a bad female singer's voice just sounds more pleasant to you than a bad male singer. No girl groups will impress me as much as the best male groups. Live performances of Mirotic still amaze me, no matter how many times I've seen it.


Well it's a pretty proven fact that boy groups are far better live than girl groups.

I have huge respect for a band like Super Junior, who have great choreography despite being a huge group


I agree, male groups over all are better singers and generally more talented as a group, than some random girl group or i guess even well known groups.
nanashin
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 16:16:15
November 12 2011 16:05 GMT
#37377
Yes, it's been stated countless times.
But seriously, damn, KMK is fine.
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I would lick that chair in a heartbeat.
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And thanks for the T-ara performance with a seemingly fully recovered Soyeon.
A wonderful island with a wonderful people all driving wonderful Hyundais.
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Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 16:10:14
November 12 2011 16:07 GMT
#37378
On November 13 2011 00:50 Kipsate wrote:
Having more vocalists then one is more of a plus then a need, you don't need many people who can actually sing, (female kpop) is just dance-based and visuals now so there is little need for good vocalists.

If you want to be a middle of the road group with so-so popularity, sure. But the best groups are ones that can sing and dance and do it well together. I know we like to look at the pretty girls and all, but at the end of the day, it's still music. I know I'm not going to sit through ear torture to see a hot chick when I can listen to a group that can sing really well AND looks good doing it.

edit: IY2 episode 1 just finished a bit ago. I thought it was ok, not as good as the first season. The first half of the show was pretty bad tbh, but the second half was really good. I thought Sunny was hilarious in a few of her moments, and Hyoyeon was really funny as well. Woori really stood out for me too, I thought she was quite good. I miss Kim Shinyoung.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
November 12 2011 16:11 GMT
#37379
Rofl 1 month into their promotions and I've finally got my Sunny poster! <3

Goodluck to Tara, Cry Cry is awesome! :D
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-12 16:23:31
November 12 2011 16:22 GMT
#37380
On November 13 2011 01:07 Moonwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2011 00:50 Kipsate wrote:
Having more vocalists then one is more of a plus then a need, you don't need many people who can actually sing, (female kpop) is just dance-based and visuals now so there is little need for good vocalists.

If you want to be a middle of the road group with so-so popularity, sure. But the best groups are ones that can sing and dance and do it well together. I know we like to look at the pretty girls and all, but at the end of the day, it's still music. I know I'm not going to sit through ear torture to see a hot chick when I can listen to a group that can sing really well AND looks good doing it.

edit: IY2 episode 1 just finished a bit ago. I thought it was ok, not as good as the first season. The first half of the show was pretty bad tbh, but the second half was really good. I thought Sunny was hilarious in a few of her moments, and Hyoyeon was really funny as well. Woori really stood out for me too, I thought she was quite good. I miss Kim Shinyoung.


KARA is really popular, #2, only 2 members can sing, and not even very good compared to top tier vocalists.
T-ara only has 1 good vocalist(granted a very good one)
Sistar has only one good vocalist(also granted, a very good one)
Rainbow has hyunyoung, and she isnt very good(not top tier)
AS has Raina, but you can see in perfs that Jungah has become redundant
Miss A has Suzy and Min, but they are not top tier either nor do they show it in their perfs.
Wonder Girls has Yenny and Sunye, other ones can't really sing that well.
2NE1 can sing, but they don't show it in most of their songs because it is not needed.
Secret has one good vocalist, and she doesnt need to show it either during perfs
F(x) has 2 vocalists, but they usually only use one(Luna).

...

anyone else I miss?

IY2 is oke but the thing is weve all seen this stuff before with IY1, Kang Jiyoung and Suzy pretty good tho.
WriterXiao8~~
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