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On December 26 2009 06:08 ShcShc wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 03:53 aikepah wrote:
AVATAR = Disney's Pocahontas. Stop comparing it to other things. Everything about it is a complete ripoff! Go watch Disney's Pocahontas right now! Pocahontas is a ripoff too lmao. Everything is a ripoff of everything Starcraft is a ripoff of Aliens and Predator movies Halo is a ripoff of Aliens Terminator 2 is a ripoff of The Terminator etc...
And everything is a ripoff of Shakespeare. Who probably ripped off the greeks. Who probably ripped off of someone else.
The story behind Avatar is a classic one that everyone knows. The moment you start watching you know exactly whats going to happen, but that's okay because it is a well executed story. Kind of like Titanic, another Cameron movie, you know the thing is going to sink. Its still an amazing movie because the little things are fleshed out and well done. People who can't appreciate Avatar because its "too simplistic" are missing the point. Its not supposed to blow your mind with flashy reveals or crazy mindfucks and you really shouldnt need that to have a good movie.
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On December 24 2009 15:50 ShcShc wrote:
I think this is one of the few movies where every plants/mechanics/science are made sure to based on actual science or at worse, science theories.
Even the flying mountains? And the nervous fiberwire mind control? I especially asked myself what evolutionary pressure those lizards that lit up and spun were under - especially in an environment as hostile as pandora.
And how come initially the Na'vi bows just bounced off of the helicopter glass but in the final air battle they could pierce windows, etc.
On December 26 2009 10:18 ZeaL. wrote:
The story behind Avatar is a classic one that everyone knows. The moment you start watching you know exactly whats going to happen, but that's okay because it is a well executed story. Kind of like Titanic, another Cameron movie, you know the thing is going to sink. Its still an amazing movie because the little things are fleshed out and well done. People who can't appreciate Avatar because its "too simplistic" are missing the point. Its not supposed to blow your mind with flashy reveals or crazy mindfucks and you really shouldnt need that to have a good movie.
I think you miss the point of a good movie, which is to be creative in its storytelling (Avatar was anything but) and to challenge its audience with something more than an OBVIOUSLY good vs evil conflict - or at least provide us some well defined characters that have actual personality. Twists are usually not what I look for in a good movie (m night shamalamalaamayan).
If you meant 'little things' like the pretty flowers then yes, they were pretty well done.
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On December 26 2009 10:59 Equaoh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2009 15:50 ShcShc wrote:
I think this is one of the few movies where every plants/mechanics/science are made sure to based on actual science or at worse, science theories.
Even the flying mountains? And the nervous fiberwire mind control? I especially asked myself what evolutionary pressure those lizards that lit up and spun were under - especially in an environment as hostile as pandora. And how come initially the Na'vi bows just bounced off of the helicopter glass but in the final air battle they could pierce windows, etc. Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 10:18 ZeaL. wrote:
The story behind Avatar is a classic one that everyone knows. The moment you start watching you know exactly whats going to happen, but that's okay because it is a well executed story. Kind of like Titanic, another Cameron movie, you know the thing is going to sink. Its still an amazing movie because the little things are fleshed out and well done. People who can't appreciate Avatar because its "too simplistic" are missing the point. Its not supposed to blow your mind with flashy reveals or crazy mindfucks and you really shouldnt need that to have a good movie. I think you miss the point of a good movie, which is to be creative in its storytelling (Avatar was anything but) and to challenge its audience with something more than an OBVIOUSLY good vs evil conflict - or at least provide us some well defined characters that have actual personality. Twists are usually not what I look for in a good movie (m night shamalamalaamayan). If you meant 'little things' like the pretty flowers then yes, they were pretty well done.
I thought the arrow question was rather obvious.
When they were shooting at first, the arrows were going against gravity.
When shooting in the battle scene, they were flying with gravity at a very fast speed, accelerating the arrow speed when fired.
Also, your definition of a "good movie" is entirely subjective, along with saying the characters were not well defined and lacked actual personalities.
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lol he thinks hes smart argueing about evolutionary pressures and misses the simple physics explaination.
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I posted this earlier and one member read it and thought it was a great review. For those that think the story is boring or cheesy and not creative, read this review from a guy in a wheelchair and what he thought.
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43430
Read it and tell me if you think different. Really good review.
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On December 26 2009 12:22 zergpower123 wrote:I posted this earlier and one member read it and thought it was a great review. For those that think the story is boring or cheesy and not creative, read this review from a guy in a wheelchair and what he thought. http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43430Read it and tell me if you think different. Really good review.
good review... if you read through some of the comments, they're even more polarized than this thread :X
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There's plenty of initially seemingly-unexplainable, flamboyant physical traits evident in Earth's creatures.
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On December 26 2009 11:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 10:59 Equaoh wrote:On December 24 2009 15:50 ShcShc wrote:
I think this is one of the few movies where every plants/mechanics/science are made sure to based on actual science or at worse, science theories.
Even the flying mountains? And the nervous fiberwire mind control? I especially asked myself what evolutionary pressure those lizards that lit up and spun were under - especially in an environment as hostile as pandora. And how come initially the Na'vi bows just bounced off of the helicopter glass but in the final air battle they could pierce windows, etc. On December 26 2009 10:18 ZeaL. wrote:
The story behind Avatar is a classic one that everyone knows. The moment you start watching you know exactly whats going to happen, but that's okay because it is a well executed story. Kind of like Titanic, another Cameron movie, you know the thing is going to sink. Its still an amazing movie because the little things are fleshed out and well done. People who can't appreciate Avatar because its "too simplistic" are missing the point. Its not supposed to blow your mind with flashy reveals or crazy mindfucks and you really shouldnt need that to have a good movie. I think you miss the point of a good movie, which is to be creative in its storytelling (Avatar was anything but) and to challenge its audience with something more than an OBVIOUSLY good vs evil conflict - or at least provide us some well defined characters that have actual personality. Twists are usually not what I look for in a good movie (m night shamalamalaamayan). If you meant 'little things' like the pretty flowers then yes, they were pretty well done. I thought the arrow question was rather obvious. When they were shooting at first, the arrows were going against gravity. When shooting in the battle scene, they were flying with gravity at a very fast speed, accelerating the arrow speed when fired. Also, your definition of a "good movie" is entirely subjective, along with saying the characters were not well defined and lacked actual personalities.
Fine, I can only speak for myself - it seemed to me the characters made decisions arbitrarily depending on what the story required. I'm really tired of mindless action movies with hollywood romances.
They mentioned it was a low gravity environment multiple times throughout the movie. Two seconds of acceleration in weak gravity is not going to change a piece of wood bouncing harmlessly off of reinforced glass into shattering it and continuing on to impale the pilot inside. And I guess assuming no air resistance from moving so fast.
On December 26 2009 11:13 Archerofaiur wrote:
lol he thinks hes smart argueing about evolutionary pressures and misses the simple physics explaination.
You edited and still got arguing wrong?
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People are too spoiled by movies breaking ground one after the other in the technical department.
If you really don't think Avatar is going to change things, you...don't really know what you're talking about. People are talking about the effects this film will have on films from here on out.
Get over it...it was a technical benchmark, get off of your pseudo-informed cynical high horse.
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Just saw it and thought it was great. And this is a big statement, coming from someone who doesn't like movies in general.
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On December 26 2009 12:50 Equaoh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 11:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On December 26 2009 10:59 Equaoh wrote:On December 24 2009 15:50 ShcShc wrote:
I think this is one of the few movies where every plants/mechanics/science are made sure to based on actual science or at worse, science theories.
Even the flying mountains? And the nervous fiberwire mind control? I especially asked myself what evolutionary pressure those lizards that lit up and spun were under - especially in an environment as hostile as pandora. And how come initially the Na'vi bows just bounced off of the helicopter glass but in the final air battle they could pierce windows, etc. On December 26 2009 10:18 ZeaL. wrote:
The story behind Avatar is a classic one that everyone knows. The moment you start watching you know exactly whats going to happen, but that's okay because it is a well executed story. Kind of like Titanic, another Cameron movie, you know the thing is going to sink. Its still an amazing movie because the little things are fleshed out and well done. People who can't appreciate Avatar because its "too simplistic" are missing the point. Its not supposed to blow your mind with flashy reveals or crazy mindfucks and you really shouldnt need that to have a good movie. I think you miss the point of a good movie, which is to be creative in its storytelling (Avatar was anything but) and to challenge its audience with something more than an OBVIOUSLY good vs evil conflict - or at least provide us some well defined characters that have actual personality. Twists are usually not what I look for in a good movie (m night shamalamalaamayan). If you meant 'little things' like the pretty flowers then yes, they were pretty well done. I thought the arrow question was rather obvious. When they were shooting at first, the arrows were going against gravity. When shooting in the battle scene, they were flying with gravity at a very fast speed, accelerating the arrow speed when fired. Also, your definition of a "good movie" is entirely subjective, along with saying the characters were not well defined and lacked actual personalities. Fine, I can only speak for myself - it seemed to me the characters made decisions arbitrarily depending on what the story required. I'm really tired of mindless action movies with hollywood romances. They mentioned it was a low gravity environment multiple times throughout the movie. Two seconds of acceleration in weak gravity is not going to change a piece of wood bouncing harmlessly off of reinforced glass into shattering it and continuing on to impale the pilot inside. And I guess assuming no air resistance from moving so fast. Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 11:13 Archerofaiur wrote:
lol he thinks hes smart argueing about evolutionary pressures and misses the simple physics explaination. You edited and still got arguing wrong?
They mentioned the gravity was lower than the earth's gravity.
It isn't like our moon or anything where the people could jump meters into the air. You couldn't even really tell the gravity was lower than Earth's based on watching the physical behavior of the humans/objects.
Simple fact is, shooting an arrow 50 ft (at least) into the air VS. shooting downwards + the fact that "The banshee is highly maneuverable and can dive at speeds close to 140 knots" based off the pandorapedia which is roughly 161 MPH. 161 MPH with gravity compared to against gravity (not even in a straight upward trajectory if you remember in the movie)
Not to mention the fact that the arrows which bounced off the glass were being shot at a Dragon Gunship while the arrows which pierced the glass were being fired at Scorpion Gunships (which most likely had a less reinforced glass barrier, being a lighter class of Gunship)
Also remember these are arrows are much longer and thicker than your average arrow (being Na'vi arrows). I also wouldn't be surprised if the wood on Pandora is stronger than typical wood on Earth when you consider the bones of most of the life forms are made of Carbon-fiber which are explained as being stronger and lighter than their earth counterparts.
I don't think it's unreasonable even in the worst case scenario to believe that the arrows couldn't have pierced the glass barrier on the Scorpion Gunship when you really do analyze the details, which is what you should be doing if you want to honestly criticize a movie.
But I'm no physics major so correct me if I'm wrong.
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Did you know there are fucking underwater shrimps that can shoot sonic booms? One crab can pop bubbles underwater that burst with the HEAT OF THE SUN. There's a crab that has doubleswing in his movelist and it strikes so fast that you can't see both of the swings. There's a goddamn squid that has teeth on his blowholes so when he traps prey and twists the arms around the prey it lacerates flesh. Oh, they also change colors rapidly underwater to communicate the location of prey, including humans. Did I mention the goddamn animals that live forever? There's a jellyfish that just reverses aging when it gets tired of being old, goes back to being a polyp, and pop - I'm a jellyfish again.
Pandora could never happen.
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On December 26 2009 12:50 Equaoh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 11:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On December 26 2009 10:59 Equaoh wrote:On December 24 2009 15:50 ShcShc wrote:
I think this is one of the few movies where every plants/mechanics/science are made sure to based on actual science or at worse, science theories.
Even the flying mountains? And the nervous fiberwire mind control? I especially asked myself what evolutionary pressure those lizards that lit up and spun were under - especially in an environment as hostile as pandora. And how come initially the Na'vi bows just bounced off of the helicopter glass but in the final air battle they could pierce windows, etc. On December 26 2009 10:18 ZeaL. wrote:
The story behind Avatar is a classic one that everyone knows. The moment you start watching you know exactly whats going to happen, but that's okay because it is a well executed story. Kind of like Titanic, another Cameron movie, you know the thing is going to sink. Its still an amazing movie because the little things are fleshed out and well done. People who can't appreciate Avatar because its "too simplistic" are missing the point. Its not supposed to blow your mind with flashy reveals or crazy mindfucks and you really shouldnt need that to have a good movie. I think you miss the point of a good movie, which is to be creative in its storytelling (Avatar was anything but) and to challenge its audience with something more than an OBVIOUSLY good vs evil conflict - or at least provide us some well defined characters that have actual personality. Twists are usually not what I look for in a good movie (m night shamalamalaamayan). If you meant 'little things' like the pretty flowers then yes, they were pretty well done. I thought the arrow question was rather obvious. When they were shooting at first, the arrows were going against gravity. When shooting in the battle scene, they were flying with gravity at a very fast speed, accelerating the arrow speed when fired. Also, your definition of a "good movie" is entirely subjective, along with saying the characters were not well defined and lacked actual personalities. Fine, I can only speak for myself - it seemed to me the characters made decisions arbitrarily depending on what the story required. I'm really tired of mindless action movies with hollywood romances. They mentioned it was a low gravity environment multiple times throughout the movie. Two seconds of acceleration in weak gravity is not going to change a piece of wood bouncing harmlessly off of reinforced glass into shattering it and continuing on to impale the pilot inside. And I guess assuming no air resistance from moving so fast.
they were diving in on the flying things while launching the arrows, thatd have a much bigger impact on the speed than the gravity either way, and the gravity wasnt all that low. its supposed to be somethin like .8 earth's. closer range than when they were firing from the ground as well.
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and they also shot the arrows much closer to the gunships in the fight whereas in the first human invasion battle they shot the arrows like miles away right o_o lol i suck at physics but it just seems to make sense to me that it would pierece if they shot the arrows right next to the planes.
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Do people understand that long bows that were used hundreds of years ago could penetrate plate armor which at that time was considered very good protection?
I think metal is stronger than some forms of glass and if so, then if the Navi were using long bows or their equivalency, I see no problem in it piercing the glass.
ALSO there are several books like the Survival Guide to Pandora which shows different bows and arrows used to hunt fish, larger creatures, etc.
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Fzero your talking about the pistol shrimp which can do a sonic boom type attack underwater. The shrimp that can hit with the power of a 22 caliber rifle and have the fastest attack is the mantis shrimp. Those two creatures are amazing in that they are small (mantis shrimps can be up to 1ft or more) but can attack with such power.
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On December 26 2009 12:50 Equaoh wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 11:03 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On December 26 2009 10:59 Equaoh wrote:On December 24 2009 15:50 ShcShc wrote:
I think this is one of the few movies where every plants/mechanics/science are made sure to based on actual science or at worse, science theories.
Even the flying mountains? And the nervous fiberwire mind control? I especially asked myself what evolutionary pressure those lizards that lit up and spun were under - especially in an environment as hostile as pandora. And how come initially the Na'vi bows just bounced off of the helicopter glass but in the final air battle they could pierce windows, etc. On December 26 2009 10:18 ZeaL. wrote:
The story behind Avatar is a classic one that everyone knows. The moment you start watching you know exactly whats going to happen, but that's okay because it is a well executed story. Kind of like Titanic, another Cameron movie, you know the thing is going to sink. Its still an amazing movie because the little things are fleshed out and well done. People who can't appreciate Avatar because its "too simplistic" are missing the point. Its not supposed to blow your mind with flashy reveals or crazy mindfucks and you really shouldnt need that to have a good movie. I think you miss the point of a good movie, which is to be creative in its storytelling (Avatar was anything but) and to challenge its audience with something more than an OBVIOUSLY good vs evil conflict - or at least provide us some well defined characters that have actual personality. Twists are usually not what I look for in a good movie (m night shamalamalaamayan). If you meant 'little things' like the pretty flowers then yes, they were pretty well done. I thought the arrow question was rather obvious. When they were shooting at first, the arrows were going against gravity. When shooting in the battle scene, they were flying with gravity at a very fast speed, accelerating the arrow speed when fired. Also, your definition of a "good movie" is entirely subjective, along with saying the characters were not well defined and lacked actual personalities. Fine, I can only speak for myself - it seemed to me the characters made decisions arbitrarily depending on what the story required. I'm really tired of mindless action movies with hollywood romances. They mentioned it was a low gravity environment multiple times throughout the movie. Two seconds of acceleration in weak gravity is not going to change a piece of wood bouncing harmlessly off of reinforced glass into shattering it and continuing on to impale the pilot inside. And I guess assuming no air resistance from moving so fast.
Can you do the dirivations? Wed like to know for sure. And dont forget the combined forward momentum. Oh and the arrows cracked the glass in the first scene just didnt break it. Oh and there different types of helicopters oh and maybe different arrows oh and its a movie....a movie about blue people.
You edited and still got arguing wrong?
lol you must not know me. Your lucky I corrected what I corrected 
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On December 26 2009 14:09 Fzero wrote:
Did you know there are fucking underwater shrimps that can shoot sonic booms? One crab can pop bubbles underwater that burst with the HEAT OF THE SUN. There's a crab that has doubleswing in his movelist and it strikes so fast that you can't see both of the swings. There's a goddamn squid that has teeth on his blowholes so when he traps prey and twists the arms around the prey it lacerates flesh. Oh, they also change colors rapidly underwater to communicate the location of prey, including humans. Did I mention the goddamn animals that live forever? There's a jellyfish that just reverses aging when it gets tired of being old, goes back to being a polyp, and pop - I'm a jellyfish again.
Pandora could never happen.
Ya were going to need to see some sources. Im a huge planet earth and zoobook fan but I aint never heard of heat of the sun bubble crabs.
Edit: looked it up. Amazing.
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Saw the movie today, and thought it was pretty good and nobody should say it failed to live up to its hype.
But the storyline was VERY cliche and I feel like I've seen the movie before. It wasn't really something new, and it felt like Matrix, The Last Samurai, and some ten-year-old's storyline being mixed together...
There are many things about the movie you will like, but plot-wise, it was kinda disgusting
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On December 26 2009 14:41 Archerofaiur wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2009 14:09 Fzero wrote:
Did you know there are fucking underwater shrimps that can shoot sonic booms? One crab can pop bubbles underwater that burst with the HEAT OF THE SUN. There's a crab that has doubleswing in his movelist and it strikes so fast that you can't see both of the swings. There's a goddamn squid that has teeth on his blowholes so when he traps prey and twists the arms around the prey it lacerates flesh. Oh, they also change colors rapidly underwater to communicate the location of prey, including humans. Did I mention the goddamn animals that live forever? There's a jellyfish that just reverses aging when it gets tired of being old, goes back to being a polyp, and pop - I'm a jellyfish again.
Pandora could never happen. Ya were going to need to see some sources. Im a huge planet earth and zoobook fan but I aint never heard of heat of the sun bubble crabs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pistol_shrimp
"The snap can also produce sonoluminescence from the collapsing cavitation bubble. As it collapses, the cavitation bubble reaches temperatures of over 5,000 K (4,726.85 degrees Celsius).[10] In comparison, the surface temperature of the sun is estimated to be around 5,778 K."
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