EPTJames Cameron's AVATAR series - Page 37
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rest_less
Germany142 Posts
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SiDX
New Zealand1975 Posts
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
On December 26 2009 10:59 Equaoh wrote: Even the flying mountains? And the nervous fiberwire mind control? I especially asked myself what evolutionary pressure those lizards that lit up and spun were under - especially in an environment as hostile as pandora. And how come initially the Na'vi bows just bounced off of the helicopter glass but in the final air battle they could pierce windows, etc. I think you miss the point of a good movie, which is to be creative in its storytelling (Avatar was anything but) and to challenge its audience with something more than an OBVIOUSLY good vs evil conflict - or at least provide us some well defined characters that have actual personality. Twists are usually not what I look for in a good movie (m night shamalamalaamayan). If you meant 'little things' like the pretty flowers then yes, they were pretty well done. "Levitating mountains: As dozens of people have pointed out, the mountains supposedly contain unobtainium, a room-temperature superconductor. Superconductors expel magnetic field lines, and as a result magnets can levitate above a superconductor. Here superconducting mountains are apparently levitating over the strong magnetic field of the moon or planet, or both." -- http://www.aintitcool.com/node/43440 | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On December 26 2009 19:18 fight_or_flight wrote: I actually enjoyed the relative simplicity of the dialog and storyline. To be honest, I usually have a bad reaction to most movies after I watch them. I view movies as a type of voluntary mind control, and when complex dialog that has hidden ideological meanings or insinuates something, it doesn't have a good effect on me. This movie does have a certain ideological aspect to it, but its not wrapped in so many layers that you can't distinguish your own evil desires from those of the characters from those of the humanity from the question of life. You aren't left with logical inconsistencies that are regarded as "artistic symbolism" from which endless term papers can be written. Its a simple story. A bunch of corporate goons are trying to get rich by plundering some unobtainium. We see the point of view from a young guy, who could be any one of us, as he makes a type of spiritual transformation. I don't think it was about good vs evil or technology vs nature necessarily. I think it was more about a reorientation of values. The bad guys weren't portrayed as evil, just ignorant. I think the simple story combined with visuals will actually help this movie be successful with a wide audience around the globe. I also think the story was more of an emotionally based one (story told by images) rather than an intellectually based on (story told by dialog), which aligns with the nature of the values being pushed. So a distinction should be made between "graphics" and "images". Thanks for your post, this gave me a much greater insight in to why people enjoyed the movie as a whole, and also made me a bit more understanding =) | ||
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Yamoth
United States315 Posts
On December 26 2009 12:50 Equaoh wrote: Fine, I can only speak for myself - it seemed to me the characters made decisions arbitrarily depending on what the story required. I'm really tired of mindless action movies with hollywood romances. They mentioned it was a low gravity environment multiple times throughout the movie. Two seconds of acceleration in weak gravity is not going to change a piece of wood bouncing harmlessly off of reinforced glass into shattering it and continuing on to impale the pilot inside. And I guess assuming no air resistance from moving so fast. You edited and still got arguing wrong? First off to answer the stupid arrow question. As anyone who know even a tiny bit of physic could point out that in a direct would have a greater force of impact than that of from an object coming at an angle. A good example would be an object hitting something at a 90 degree angle would have twice as much force as the same object traveling at the same velocity hitting the same object at a 45 degree angle and I bet those arrows hitting the glass the first time was at best at a 30 degree angle. Factoring in the air extra air resistance produced by all those hovercraft that not only slow down the arrow but also destabilizing it. Seeing how in the final battle, those same arrows have a more direct angle of impact, added speed from the dive, little no to wind resistance, and not going against gravity. It doesn't take that much of a genius to see how the same arrow can penetrate the glass in the final battle but not the first one. Now keep in mind I am over simplifying a lot of these thing as you have to also factoring in the breaking strength of the glass itself, the mass of the arrow, and a whole lot of other thing. too keep things simpler for you, those arrow would undoubtedly have just as much if not stronger force than the bully fired from those machine guns. On the evolutionary front, who knows, those lizard could very well be poisonous and the big red spinning thing is simple a display saying yes, I am poisonous, don't fuck with me. But now I am just arguing semantic. People keeping bitching about how the plot and story was all too conventional but isn't that true for just about most of his movies? There no much different in term of plot T2 have from T1 and most people greatly enjoyed it. Pretty much everyone watching titanic knows the ship was going to sink. James Cameron was never known for plot twist or originality when it come to his movie. His strong point has always been how well the story was told and how technologically advance it is compared to everything else out there. On those front, he most definitely succeed. Hell, if I want originality, plot twist, and strong character development I would go pick up a book. | ||
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Kim_Hyun_Han
706 Posts
avatar was just a visual mind blowing experience for me, the film itself sucks, id rather watch metal gear solid 4 and final fantasy crisi core cutscenes | ||
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LastWish
2013 Posts
On December 26 2009 22:06 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote: im not a troll but avatar was just a visual mind blowing experience for me, the film itself sucks, id rather watch metal gear solid 4 and final fantasy crisi core cutscenes Same here. And imo the phylosophical fight was between "materialism" and "idealism". (for me the difference is in who are they willing to kill for : materialist - money, tangible property ; idealist - wrong ideals, intangible property). | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
Since I did not expected anything from the story I still really enjoyed the movie just because of the environment (beautiful pictures - i don't know if you actually say that in english, but you probably know what i mean) and the awesome 3d. Definitely worth a watch. | ||
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SilverSkyLark
Philippines8437 Posts
On December 26 2009 22:06 Kim_Hyun_Han wrote: im not a troll but avatar was just a visual mind blowing experience for me, the film itself sucks, id rather watch metal gear solid 4cutscenes True. I just saw it a few minutes ago. The movie is predictable, but of course when you bathe it with graphics it becomes better. Well it was a great visual experience, I'd say better than Transformers but sometimes, movies got too much of this CGI that when you break it down, you don't have that much substance anymore. I'd rather see a simple movie that will really give you your money's worth by a great story. and the physics of the movie is questionable..:D | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On December 27 2009 00:19 Keniji wrote: There is no doubt that the story is a piece of crap. The usual american hero: a kindhearted, pure-good marine (lol) with a stroke of fate, and a whole race/culture who can't do anything, but eventually win the battle with the help of the american. Haha, the american is even able to unite all tribes (who else?). And of course good vs evil with totally clear frontiers. There is nothing(!) evil about the goods and nothing(!) good about the evils. Since I did not expected anything from the story I still really enjoyed the movie just because of the environment (beautiful pictures - i don't know if you actually say that in english, but you probably know what i mean) and the awesome 3d. Definitely worth a watch. well its not like they could have a german leading the good guys that wouldnt make any sense at all | ||
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Keniji
Netherlands2569 Posts
On December 27 2009 00:28 IdrA wrote: well its not like they could have a german leading the good guys that wouldnt make any sense at all yea it's weird. I didn't understand at all why it was neither a german, russian or north korean organization who wanted to expolit the planet. | ||
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DyEnasTy
United States3714 Posts
On December 27 2009 00:28 IdrA wrote: well its not like they could have a german leading the good guys that wouldnt make any sense at all LOOOOL | ||
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DoX.)
Singapore6164 Posts
On December 27 2009 00:28 IdrA wrote: well its not like they could have a german leading the good guys that wouldnt make any sense at all LOL burn | ||
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Kooun
Canada260 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + pocahontas but the movie was awesome, i love the graphics | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
On December 27 2009 00:28 IdrA wrote: well its not like they could have a german leading the good guys that wouldnt make any sense at all XD. Btw, Sam Worthington is Australian. James Cameron is Canadian. I think less than 10-20% of the crews are Americans. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
"There is no doubt that the story is a piece of crap. The usual american hero: a kindhearted, pure-good marine (lol) with a stroke of fate, and a whole race/culture who can't do anything, but eventually win the battle with the help of the american. Haha, the american is even able to unite all tribes (who else?). And of course good vs evil with totally clear frontiers. There is nothing(!) evil about the goods and nothing(!) good about the evils." | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
Still worth seeing, in my opinion (but only in 3D). | ||
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SolaR-
United States2685 Posts
On December 27 2009 06:20 ShcShc wrote: XD. Btw, Sam Worthington is Australian. James Cameron is Canadian. I think less than 10-20% of the crews are Americans. Well Worthington was born in England and moved to Australia at a young age. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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