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On January 19 2016 06:47 Sermokala wrote:
Rakudai kishi no calvary is the one with stella. I don't think I can keep watching grimgar if it lacks pace so much up until now. they've killed like only one base level monster in the 2 episodes they've had. I know that not every anime needs to be SAO speed but I just don't see what's even happened in the past two episodes.
Yes, it was very slow indeed. Not optimal for me either, but it could be quite good if it's a long anime...
Ao no Kanata no Four Rhythm Episode 02 was a bit slow too, but I'll keep watching it, kinda entertaining imo.
I also kinda forgot to watch Nijiiro Days episode 2, turned out fun again. 
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On January 19 2016 07:17 Spazer wrote:
Long anime? It's 1 cour.
Yeah, now MAL says 12 episodes. Two days ago it was "?", so I wasn't quite sure.
In that case I'll most probably prefer Kono Suba over it, which is faster paced and funnier.
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we had quite a discussion on grimderp just now on irc (as we're speaking).
It's just really weird with trying to be serious with all that + Show Spoiler [ep2] +omg, we killed the gob. We are horrible people
I get that this is fantasy but to me this just seems like a cheap excuse to have fights / the drama that will inevitably happen later on. note on that:
[23:42:35] <Toad|> aw, I might have just gotten spoiler'd from looking at MAL character names
[23:42:41] <Toad|> to find out her name
Granted it can always get better and the animation looks really good. The backgrounds in itself are for me enough to watch it just because it's something you don't get to see all day. I just wouldn't call it good either. At least for now.
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On January 19 2016 05:46 HolydaKing wrote:
Zen <3 Shirayuki is so cute. I'm loving the anime despite it being quite slow.
Slow? I thought the second half had the pace of an express train, lol.
+ Show Spoiler +So one of my two predictions became true when Obi got chosen to be the attendant. Now let's see what happens with my other prediction.
Actually, I'll make another one: Zen's brother still wants to remove Shirayuki from Zen or at least test Zen. The upcoming incident with the boy is set up. In the end, love prevails and the brother will be partially convinced.
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On January 19 2016 08:46 Miragee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 05:46 HolydaKing wrote:
Zen <3 Shirayuki is so cute. I'm loving the anime despite it being quite slow. Slow? I thought the second half had the pace of an express train, lol. + Show Spoiler +So one of my two predictions became true when Obi got chosen to be the attendant. Now let's see what happens with my other prediction.
Actually, I'll make another one: Zen's brother still wants to remove Shirayuki from Zen or at least test Zen. The upcoming incident with the boy is set up. In the end, love prevails and the brother will be partially convinced.
I think your second prediction is pretty damn likely.
On another note Honey and Clover is pretty fun, I have seen 8 episodes until now and kinda start to like everyone, except maybe Morita, he's pretty weird.
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On January 19 2016 07:54 Toadesstern wrote:we had quite a discussion on grimderp just now on irc (as we're speaking). It's just really weird with trying to be serious with all that + Show Spoiler [ep2] +omg, we killed the gob. We are horrible people which is fine but if that's what they're doing... why not just stop doing that and you know... open a bar like all the other people in the city seem to be doing? Or if there's sexslaves as the red haired one seemed to imply from ep1 surely you can sell the body of the oppai wizard if shit goes south. Not exactly nice either but the set-up so far just doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense, when people seem to argue about how it's one the strong points of the show. I get that this is fantasy but to me this just seems like a cheap excuse to have fights / the drama that will inevitably happen later on. note on that: [23:42:35] <Toad|> aw, I might have just gotten spoiler'd from looking at MAL character names [23:42:41] <Toad|> to find out her name Granted it can always get better and the animation looks really good. The backgrounds in itself are for me enough to watch it just because it's something you don't get to see all day. I just wouldn't call it good either. At least for now.
From ep 1:
Red haired person: "Don't think that there are other types of menial labor to do."
idk, not really an explanation but it's at least a statement regarding it
who knows, maybe they'll explain it later
so far the series has been ok but not really good at all
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well yeah... but why? Because the others are supposed to be NPCs and the real people can't take on NPC roles? There clearly are people living normal lives in there.
Hell the guy is training to be a thief, surely you can get some money that way, right?
log if someone wants to read, includes ep2 spoilers
+ Show Spoiler [log] +[23:22:13] <@Harukakka> so was grimgar 2 any good
[23:22:33] <Emnjay808> ofc DAT ASS
[23:22:40] <Toad|> less boring than 1st episode
[23:22:43] <Toad|> still not all that good
[23:22:47] <Toad|> but watchable
[23:23:07] <@Harukakka> lol
[23:23:20] <Emnjay808> basically to sum it up, everyone was ptsding over killing a gob
[23:23:22] <Toad|> I do think emnjay is on to something here. It mostly came down to oppai wizard and the hunter being cute
[23:23:41] <Emnjay808> on a serious note, i like it
[23:24:30] <ecael> it is trying really hard to establish this
[23:24:41] <ecael> grimderp hard fantasy
[23:24:51] <Toad|> that's because of the name!
[23:25:00] <Emnjay808> its doing better thanb most, A for effort
[23:25:03] <ecael> yeah grim in grimgar clearly means grimderp
[23:25:06] <ecael> ?
[23:25:08] <ecael> most don't try
[23:25:13] <ecael> because it is a waste of time
[23:25:16] <Toad|> DanMachi never tried
[23:25:20] <Emnjay808> thats hwy A for effort
[23:25:30] <ecael> wasted effort is wasted
[23:25:33] <Toad|> KyoAni always tries and we're shitting on them for it
[23:25:35] <Toad|> ALWAYS
[23:25:56] <ecael> at the very least
[23:26:07] <ecael> i don't see any meaningful way of making use of this silly setting
[23:26:21] <Emnjay808> were past the imouto era
[23:26:29] <Emnjay808> were rpg game fantasy era now
[23:26:42] <ecael> we've been there
[23:26:45] <ecael> for a year and more
[23:26:47] <Toad|> wasn't the stella-anime also the one with the lewd imouto?
[23:26:52] <ecael> if we want to be realistic, why use these kids for volunteer army instead of slave labor?
[23:27:08] <Toad|> why can't they open a bar?
[23:27:15] <Toad|> or any other shop like the people there
[23:27:27] <ecael> because fantasy
[23:27:29] <ecael> gotta fight yo
[23:28:05] <Toad|> it just made the whole thing silly with how they went "omg, we killed that goblin"
[23:28:13] <Emnjay808> well toad
[23:28:14] <Toad|> just get some money elsewhere god damn it
[23:28:22] <Emnjay808> if you give it real though
[23:28:29] <Emnjay808> that was their first experience killing something
[23:28:36] <ecael> 17:26 ecael if we want to be realistic, why use these kids for volunteer army instead of slave labor?
[23:28:37] <Caller> stahp grimderp pls
[23:28:38] <Emnjay808> and i thought the show did a good job of humazing gobs
[23:28:38] <ecael> let's not
[23:28:40] <ecael> think
[23:28:43] <ecael> because if we think
[23:28:45] <ecael> it is still stupid
[23:28:58] <Toad|> well yeah, but if that's what they're going for I don't see that
changing any time soon
[23:29:02] <KazeHydra> well when you think about it
[23:29:05] <Toad|> or at least they should want to stop doing it
[23:29:06] <KazeHydra> why is there not more noto
[23:29:10] <KazeHydra> that's the real question
[23:29:11] <ecael> important things
[23:29:16] <ecael> nagi is right
[23:29:21] <ecael> we should just look at the girl's ass
[23:29:22] <Emnjay808> im guessing noto was the megane thief teacher
[23:29:30] <ecael> i don't even know which girl's ass he was looking at
[23:29:31] <Toad|> ya
[23:29:38] <@Harukakka> all of them
[23:29:38] <Toad|> probably the hunter
[23:29:51] <Toad|> hunter girl had plenty of ass shots
[23:29:54] <Emnjay808> mahou girl sucks, hunter grill is very nice though
[23:29:58] <ecael> but yeah to me this is just
[23:29:59] <Toad|> wtf
[23:30:01] <ecael> a really silly attempt
[23:30:04] <Toad|> why you hating on oppai wizard
[23:30:07] * ChanServ sets mode: +o kaal
[23:30:14] <ecael> that only kills suspension of disbelief for the rest of series
[23:30:15] <Emnjay808> i hate her char
[23:30:24] <Emnjay808> OH IM SO TIMID TEEHEE
[23:30:30] <Toad|> she has all the right things going for her
[23:30:35] <Toad|> and I might sound like sent here
[23:30:39] <Emnjay808> g-gomenisai *sobs*
[23:30:51] <ecael> oppai is going to sell her body to fuel manato's alcoholism
[23:31:06] <Toad|> hopefully
[23:31:18] <Toad|> that would be a different "grimdark" than I am expecting at least
[23:31:19] <ecael> because clearly if a guy can be kept around as sex toys they should
be able to afford a prostitute or two in town
[23:31:29] <ecael> since we want to go down the 'realism' path
[23:31:32] * ecael rolls eyes
[23:31:41] <@Harukakka> if japan wanted grimdark
[23:31:42] <KazeHydra> eca is trying too hard
[23:31:49] <@Harukakka> they should have just revived sword world replays
[23:31:49] <Emnjay808> >so broke cant afford salt
[23:31:52] <Emnjay808> >drinks at bar
[23:31:59] <Toad|> that was an investment!
[23:32:02] <Toad|> to get information
[23:32:04] <ecael> hmm
[23:32:05] <ecael> arguably
[23:32:10] <@Harukakka> that anime is still so popular
[23:32:11] <ecael> alcohol is likely to be cheaper than salt
[23:32:13] <@Harukakka> evne tho the name slips mymind atm
[23:32:14] <@Harukakka> _-_
[23:32:18] <@Harukakka> lodoss
[23:32:30] <ecael> you underestimate how difficult salt is to procure
[23:32:31] <Toad|> also, not everyone is dropping 200$ as a tip
[23:32:35] <KazeHydra> noto 79
[23:32:47] <ecael> maybe because you live at hawaii
[23:33:02] <Emnjay808> i literally did that once toad
[23:33:06] <Emnjay808> i dont drink at bars anymore
[23:33:11] <Toad|> LOL
[23:33:18] <Toad|> too much shame because of that?
[from here it goes on to speculate about what happens. Like I said I think I spoilered myself with MAL so I'll leave it out even if it's just speculation]
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On January 19 2016 09:16 Toadesstern wrote:
well yeah... but why? Because the others are supposed to be NPCs and the real people can't take on NPC roles? There clearly are people living normal lives in there.
Hell the guy is training to be a thief, surely you can get some money that way one way or the other.
Don't think anywhere in the show even talked about it as them being trapped in an MMO. They're just in a world that's like a MMO. Doesn't actually mean those are actually mindless NPCs.
This isn't a game to them. There's no talk of, oh you can just casually die and you'll respawn back at the local graveyard/shrine/church whatever. The characters just woke up with no memories of their former lives save some words at the tip of their tongue, and are told the only way to survive is to go around hunting and killing monsters. So they do exactly just that and the slow pace is great at telling how they go about doing it.
+ Show Spoiler [rest of ep2] +I loved how they showed the goblins are also living creatures in that world, sharing the same resources, only to have the humans come along and go kill them for money. They haven't actually shown anything bad about those goblins (yet?), and so I actually felt sad for that goblin being killed, especially in that way too. Even showed them chilling around by the camp fire with friends too =(.
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well if there's no rule that only NPCs can do that then they should be able to sell the body of the oppai wizard to get by.
It just strikes me as odd that they're being told "you can only get by by killing and there's NOTHING else you can do to earn money, even though everyone else has a shop, a bar or whatever else. Like me, who you're talking to right now" and they just accept that.
Like I said, there can be an explanation to it later on. I just don't get why they wouldn't at least try or ask why they can't do other things to earn money when other people are doing exactly that in front of them. That would be the logical thing to do, ESPECIALLY if you don't have the notion of being trapped in a game and it being "because it's a game and you can't be an NPC"
And yeah I agree, I liked the scene with the gobs. It just made it feel cheap with everything around it to me (and apprently most people)
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On January 19 2016 07:54 Toadesstern wrote:we had quite a discussion on grimderp just now on irc (as we're speaking). It's just really weird with trying to be serious with all that + Show Spoiler [ep2] +omg, we killed the gob. We are horrible people which is fine but if that's what they're doing... why not just stop doing that and you know... open a bar like all the other people in the city seem to be doing? Or if there's sexslaves as the red haired one seemed to imply from ep1 surely you can sell the body of the oppai wizard if shit goes south. Not exactly nice either but the set-up so far just doesn't really seem to make a lot of sense, when people seem to argue about how it's one the strong points of the show. I get that this is fantasy but to me this just seems like a cheap excuse to have fights / the drama that will inevitably happen later on. note on that: [23:42:35] <Toad|> aw, I might have just gotten spoiler'd from looking at MAL character names [23:42:41] <Toad|> to find out her name Granted it can always get better and the animation looks really good. The backgrounds in itself are for me enough to watch it just because it's something you don't get to see all day. I just wouldn't call it good either. At least for now.
Open a bar? With what money? Being a fighter is probably the only way they wouldn't all just starve to death considering they started with 0 money or knowledge. Sell one of their number as a sex slave? Wat, yea they really want their main characters to be monsters. Its a midieval setting so its not like there is a lot of ways to make money. I don't even get your criticism except to say that you have no idea how hard it would be to start with nothing while knowing nothing. In such a confused state they were given a chance to make a living so they took it. Who said that maybe they won't do other stuff later once they actually have money?
They also didn't think they were "terrible" people that much. More like that one dude was musing to himself a bit about the "other side". Most of what they were feeling was from being put in a life and death situation and their 1st combat and committing violence.
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how did they get the equipment, like sword, armor and training if they had no money? It's not like anyone is controlling their progress, seems like an investment in the future for the guy who wants capable people and if they die they die. They paid 8silver to get that stuff iirc, leaving them with 2silver each which lasted (or would last) for a couple weeks. Makes sense given how fucking expensive weapons would be. So that's somewhere about half a year worth of money you get per person?
Surely you could have done something with that money. They probably had beggars in those times as well or at least it seems that way from movies and co. Certainly not nice either but meh.
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On January 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
how did they get the equipment, like sword, armor and training if they had no money? It's not like anyone is controlling their progress, seems like an investment in the future for the guy who wants capable people and if they die they die. They paid 8silver to get that stuff iirc, leaving them with 2silver each which lasted (or would last) for a couple weeks. Makes sense given how fucking expensive weapons would be. So that's somewhere about half a year worth of money you get per person?
Surely you could have done something with that money. They probably had beggars in those times as well or at least it seems that way from movies and co. Certainly not nice either but meh.
They were given that cash only when they accepted being fighters. They didn't have anything otherwise you think that dude gave them that cash to go do something else? There ofc was strings attached to that money.
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On January 19 2016 10:02 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On January 19 2016 09:56 Toadesstern wrote:
how did they get the equipment, like sword, armor and training if they had no money? It's not like anyone is controlling their progress, seems like an investment in the future for the guy who wants capable people and if they die they die. They paid 8silver to get that stuff iirc, leaving them with 2silver each which lasted (or would last) for a couple weeks. Makes sense given how fucking expensive weapons would be. So that's somewhere about half a year worth of money you get per person?
Surely you could have done something with that money. They probably had beggars in those times as well or at least it seems that way from movies and co. Certainly not nice either but meh. They were given that cash only when they accepted being fighters. They didn't have anything otherwise you think that dude gave him that cash to go do something else?
so sell those weapons that are worth 8s and do something else with it because apparently that dude never doublechecked wether or not they did anything he told them to do. Or at least fucking ask why you can't do normal, unskilled labor work.
Why wouldn't the guy just sell them as slaves or use them as slaves like Eca said? He even mentioned it himself as an option. That wasn't all that uncommon a couple hundred years ago.
[02:07:57] <Sentenal> maybe the reason they wont just got git a job is the group-retardation they got going on. like how they dont remember what a fucking game is, they also dont know that they dont have to be adventurers [02:08:54] <Toad|> I mean I wouldn't have a problem with it had it been some kind of "well they people don't know but this [02:09:15] <Toad|> but didn't even go there [02:09:18] <Anelace> because they're trying so fucking hard to establish the setting [02:09:21] <Anelace> and failing miserably [02:09:32] <@Harukakka> sounds like [02:09:35] <@Harukakka> nobunaga something [02:09:37] <@Harukakka> ! [02:09:40] <Anelace> you mean [02:09:44] <Anelace> THAT SHOW YOU REC'D? [02:09:47] <@Harukakka> \o/ [02:09:52] <Anelace> fookin' uta [02:10:02] <@Harukakka> i rec'd it as being so bad it was possibly comedic good [02:10:09] <@Harukakka> but it stopped being so funny [02:10:12] <Anelace> lol [02:10:12] <@Harukakka> because it kept being so terrible [02:10:15] <IceHism> nobunaga the fool? [02:10:18] <@Harukakka> yeah that [02:10:21] <IceHism> please no ;; [02:10:27] <@Harukakka> after the 2nd? ep
it's really not like I'm the only one here being mad about the setting being weak
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In other news, if you love Gahara-san, you should watch Koyomimonogatari episode 2 for a fix.
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Because obviously there is a hidden agenda here that will probably be revealed later..... Just because you don't see the whole picture right away doesn't make it bad. Are you one of those people that need F/Z style lectures to explain everything in the 1st 2 episodes?
You really can't imagine that maybe just maybe that there is some sketchy shit happening behind the scenes? Why were they transported there? Could the people of that world be importing hapless youths to fight for them? Maybe that is why it seemed pretty standard for the people there because they have a system in place to funnel in vulnerable people and manipulate/funnel them into this role (notice how no one seems surprised at their sudden appearance). There are all kind of explanations as to "why" and they don't have to spell everything out for the viewer in the 1st 2 episodes.
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so make them slaves in that case and tell them that if they ever asked questions they're getting in trouble. That at least explains both aspects of them having to be fighters as well as them not being able to ask why they have to be fighters.
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Why bother making them slaves? They come in as basically blank slates, you throw them out there and let em sink or swim. Those that swim do their jobs and those who die die...they can get more and they don't have to worry about controlling or slave runaways because they think that they are from the world. A little deception and they have essentially "stolen" labor that doesn't even know it stolen.
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because if you don't tell them that they're not allowed to ask questions they'll probably spend at least a couple hours the first day (seeing as they have weeks worth of money left) trying to figure out what this place they've never seen before is. This place they can't seem to remember at all. Maybe find a place to stay at, ask some people out there what this place is, how to get around and why they can't try other labor?
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I'm not sure that they would do that. They're in a strange place, can't remember where they came from, and were told that this is what they needed to do to survive. On what basis are they going to ask questions? Someone told them what their place was, and they don't have any experience to contradict that.
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