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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 06 2015 19:34 GMT
#99721
If you take every aspect of the medium then SAO cannot be bad. The animation/sound/voice acting is too good to make it a "bad anime". However if you just look at it from a story/character aspect it fails to achieve what it tried to do, abysmally so. So at the end it depends you judge the medium.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 19:43:24
June 06 2015 19:42 GMT
#99722
To me animation/sound/voice acting has to be absolutely stellar or incredibly unique(Or absolutely horrible) for it to factor into me judging/rating a show.

Examples of both extremes:
Redline gets bonus points from me because of its style and overall animation, while one of the main reasons why i didn't even give Denpa Kyoushi a full episode before dropping it was the absolutely awful animation.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
June 06 2015 19:42 GMT
#99723
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Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
June 06 2015 19:46 GMT
#99724
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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 19:49:24
June 06 2015 19:49 GMT
#99725
The best Type-Moon thing is Melty Blood, you people are crazy. It has the best Aoko too. If Aoko isn't punching you with multiple Kamehamehas and going 'sugoi sugoi' on a tech, then its not a real Aoko.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 20:31:08
June 06 2015 20:08 GMT
#99726
I don't know if I'd call ZnT's OST the best. I only got 4-5 eps in before dropping it though. Maybe it has an exceptional OST that fits the mood.

I listen to almost none of the songs from ZnT on a consistent basis. atm I'd give a lot of OST's a higher score than ZnT's as I have 0 ZnT tracks on my playlists but 20598098235 tracks from every other anime under the sun on my playlists.

Listening to it now though and 15 minutes in so my opinion on this matter may actually change.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
June 06 2015 20:38 GMT
#99727
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 21:04:44
June 06 2015 21:03 GMT
#99728
46 mins it, can confirm it's a really solid OST and the last time I skimmed through it I didn't give it enough of a chance.

I think hollywood OST's are hella over rated. Over rated I suppose is the wrong word here though. Perhaps not over rated but when people say they enjoy the music of Hanz Zimmer or James Horner I kinda think it's BS. Because very few people listen to their entire soundtracks on their own. They aren't meant to be played or enjoyed that way on their own because there's a lot of the time there's so many instances where the melody is disrupted or altered in an abrupt way that simply isn't enjoyable to listen to. However, to fit the scene of what's going on in the movie it may be amazing.

Many famous composers for movies that while they have a few beautiful/powerful songs that stand on their own the rest of their songs are meant to fit the atmosphere or mood of the movie and are an attempt to be perfect for the movie moment itself rather than be a standalone track that is great all throughout.

I think the point I'm doing a poor attempt at making is that I judge an OST by two ways. Does it compliment the atmosphere of the show? And does it have a tonne of tracks I can rip off it and listen to that stand alone by themselves. I guess I take 100x the songs from anime than I do from movies. So far I think I could take maybe between 2-5 tracks from this OST as standalones.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 21:10:31
June 06 2015 21:05 GMT
#99729
Oi Gladiator OST was godly, so was The Rock. Don't go shitting on Zimmer you heathen. I also really enjoyed Howard Shore's work on The Fellowship of the Ring. Whole soundtrack feels like a magical adventure.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 21:16:49
June 06 2015 21:16 GMT
#99730
I'm not shitting on Zimmer remotely. I don't think I did at least.

I'm trying to say that I think by a good percentage anime soundtracks often have more solid standalone tracks that you'd like to rip off them than a movies OST. Gladiator did indeed have a great OST.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
June 06 2015 21:18 GMT
#99731
You can know Zankyou no Terror's OST is good without actually listening to it ;D
Hint: based Kanno-sensei.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 21:21:26
June 06 2015 21:20 GMT
#99732
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 06 2015 21:57 GMT
#99733
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-06-06/girls-and-panzer-film-unveils-new-teaser-trailer-asami-seto-in-cast/.88981

My body is ready. This can't come soon enough
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 06 2015 22:01 GMT
#99734
does anyone have a specific link to the spoilers for the mahouka lns vol 16?

i googled a thread on that specific vol but it's 175+ pages long
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 22:12:55
June 06 2015 22:12 GMT
#99735
Kekkai Sensen is one of the best anime I've ever watched as far as "shouting your attack's name porn" goes. Can't get enough of that trope.
Miragee
Profile Joined December 2009
8693 Posts
June 06 2015 22:29 GMT
#99736
On June 07 2015 02:49 Numy wrote:
Tuturu is a Hanakana character. That means there's instant fandom.


Oh. Ok.

On June 07 2015 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:
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On June 07 2015 02:46 Miragee wrote:
Actually, Danmachi seemed to combine all the bad things from SAO and Fairy Tail into one show while neglecting the good things.



here's how I see it and I havn't seen the most recent episode yet because waiting for emnjay:

Yes it threw away all the parts where SAO tried to be good but in the end failed horribly to be good because in the end it is just a glorified pseudo-harem with lots and lots of wish fullfillment for people who are watching it.
DanMach said "screw that, we're not even going to try and pretend to be meaningful. We're just going to have a fun time", which I can understand people saying that means it's even worse because they didn't even try to give us anything meaningful to begin with.

For me however it is a lot more enjoyable that way. Not having those cringe moments and just flat out entertainment without trying to be something it's not able to be. Depends on how you approach the show and what you're looking for. If you want it to be a decent story with character developement that exceeds "he's a emo dude wearing a black coat... and that's it" you're not going to have fun with either of the two shows but you'll probably think SAO is better because they at least tried to give us that.


Well, that's not really what I meant. For me, SAO didn't feel like a harem that tried to cover it. For me it felt like an MMO adventure where they tried to attach a harem because people love that shit. I didn't particularly liked any of the characters and Kirito didn't make any sense to me, especially when they suddenly turned him into a dense harem MC for a few episodes because they added the harem. However, I didn't really hate him, either. What I liked about SAO was the setting and the tension it brought with it. It was always compelling and I always wanted to watch the next episode, even when it went apeshit with that perverted dude in the second half and the unnecessary father-mother-child story. Also the harem wasn't nearly as prevalent as it was in Danmachi, which is a huge factor for me. I just can't stand harem shows. God, I even hated the few episodes of Clannad where everyone ended up crying because they finally realised Tomoyo would never be theirs. In SAO the few episodes where Kirito got to know the other girls just felt really weird and unnecessary even though the stories themselves were ok'ish/cute.

On June 07 2015 04:16 Slaughter wrote:
I think people have too high of standards for the medium (while conveniently lowering them for whatever shows they like) and/or they increase how strong the insults are by 33% because its the internet and therefore you must be 33% more of an asshole and pretend that you only enjoy the top .01% of all entertainment ever produced.

SAO is by no means bad, anyone who calls SAO bad or trash has no idea about the bigger context of what the industry produces. Its certainly a slightly above average show that was ambitious, which probably led to its popularity, because it took an interesting concept and made a competent story with some nice characters. Sure did it fail to reach a lot of expectations people probably had for it after the initial exposure to it? Sure, there were several aspects and characters that went underdeveloped. So I can see where people are coming from when they are disappointed in the show but it was no means horrible.

DanMachi is its own thing and the comparison fails below the very basic level of "has mmo type elements". I would agree though that it does not take itself as seriously as SAO did though and that is probably a big point in its favor. Also the characters are better and have the potential to blow SAO's out of the water if the author manages to develop them competently.

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On June 07 2015 02:46 Miragee wrote:
Actually, Danmachi seemed to combine all the bad things from SAO and Fairy Tail into one show while neglecting the good things.

On June 07 2015 01:55 Numy wrote:
On June 06 2015 23:24 IceHism wrote:
On June 06 2015 22:55 KazeHydra wrote:
Mahoyo for best T-M work imo.


Best T-M work is anything that doesn't have fate/ in its name imoimo \o/


Lol aye. Makes me wonder why the fate stuff is so popular. Is it really just because of the random Saber love?


People seem to love blank female characters. The only requirement for them is to be cute. I mean, same goes for Miss-Tuturu! from Steins;Gate.


Side report: Steins;Gate ep13 was pretty much what I expected. Shows with focus on time-travel don't work as thrillers imho. But the show is far from being over so maybe it handles the rest better.



Saber isn't a blank female character lol.


@SAO: Well, people like to shit on SAO because it's easy and everyone does it so one can just jump on the bandwagon. I mean, I can totally understand why people would hate it. I'm just saying that a lot of people just hate it because they have an easy way to feel better that way. I mean, how can you hate on SAO and at the same time glorify things like Nisekoi?

@Saber: Well, I only know her from the current UBW adaption so that's probably a factor. But so far she rather blank.


On June 07 2015 06:05 Numy wrote:
Oi Gladiator OST was godly, so was The Rock. Don't go shitting on Zimmer you heathen. I also really enjoyed Howard Shore's work on The Fellowship of the Ring. Whole soundtrack feels like a magical adventure.


The Lord of the Rings soundtrack is pure magic. I'm still salty about the fact that I can't acquire the complete recordings of the second part for a reasonable amount of money. I have the full movie score for Fellowship of the Ring and Return of the King at home and it is really a magical adventure. I can actually imagine a lot of scenes in my mind's eye when listening to the score. Shore is probably my favourite soundtrack composer, followed by Joe Hisaishi (music in Ghibli movies is love) and Jeremy Soule (I have all Guild Wars soundtracks at home and listen to more than 50% of them on a regular basis, Factions is especially great).
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
June 06 2015 22:35 GMT
#99737
For SAO it was more a matter of "do we want male supporting cast or female supporting cast" and in this case most anime's will choose the latter. So while some people will cry harem just because they each got their side story SAO could have done the same thing to build and showcase a char and people would just complain it was boring but because it was girls they will be fine with it. Its why I don't call SAO a harem because there is absolutely no followup and everyone pretty much just accepts Asuna x Kirito.

As for Saber, she is a supporting character basically in UBW and you know that she has her own route in FSN + her in F/Z so making that statement when you know all this seemed weird to me.
Never Knows Best.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
June 06 2015 22:50 GMT
#99738
SAO is by no means bad, anyone who calls SAO bad or trash has no idea about the bigger context of what the industry produces.
Funnily enough, this is an extremely narrowminded view. It entirely depends on one's standards. If your "standard" for average is the true average quality of all anime produced, then I supposed SAO might be rated higher. But what if most of all anime produced is bad? That isn't even an elitish mindset imo. But anyway, if most anime that is produced is bad, and you have a higher standard than the true "average" for anime, you could easily call SAO bad.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-06 23:03:04
June 06 2015 23:01 GMT
#99739
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
June 06 2015 23:31 GMT
#99740
Mirai Nikki was fairly brainless at times and utterly terrible on a number of levels. I think as an action/thriller it failed miserably.
However, as a love story (from at least Yuno's side) it was fucking awesome. I rated it like a 4-5 because I don't remember enjoying much of the show itself. However, Yuno I actually think was a really fucking awesome character once it all came together in the end. So if the show was rated as a pure character piece of her only I'd rate it much higher.
Social Justice is a fools errand. May all the adherents at its church be thwarted. Of all the religions I have come across, it is by far the most detestable.
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