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Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
September 15 2014 21:54 GMT
#83321
Sure, but we are talking about not putting in a single flashback. In light of what I said, there isn't any reason why time would be a constraint in putting in said flashback. The reason they didn't put it in was because its a really derpy backstory, flashbacks are boring, and not enough ass. Not because of time.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 15 2014 21:58 GMT
#83322
Thing is you shouldn't need a flashback to flesh out a character. Doing so is merely a crutch of bad writing. It's entirely possible to convey everything the character has been through by looking at the current without doing flashbacks.
IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 22:03:30
September 15 2014 22:01 GMT
#83323
On September 16 2014 06:58 Numy wrote:
Thing is you shouldn't need a flashback to flesh out a character. Doing so is merely a crutch of bad writing. It's entirely possible to convey everything the character has been through by looking at the current without doing flashbacks.


That isn't meant to flesh out shino. It was meant to explain why her mom would go "wow wtf is happening" and why other students are like "wow, shino you murderer"

flashbacks are cool though ;_;, i always love watching them
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
September 15 2014 22:08 GMT
#83324
On September 16 2014 06:58 Numy wrote:
Thing is you shouldn't need a flashback to flesh out a character. Doing so is merely a crutch of bad writing. It's entirely possible to convey everything the character has been through by looking at the current without doing flashbacks.


Not really, people can act in similar ways but whatever is in their back story that "explains it" you can't divine from seeing how they are now.
Never Knows Best.
SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 22:21:33
September 15 2014 22:20 GMT
#83325
I don't think flashbacks are a crutch of bad writing unless they are massively overused. In which case might as well have a prequel series. Once in a while they are fucking awesome.
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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 15 2014 22:29 GMT
#83326
On September 16 2014 05:31 IceHism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 04:56 Miragee wrote:
On September 16 2014 01:18 BigFan wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:42 Miragee wrote:
So I finished SnK the other day. Have to say I really liked it. The atmosphere was stunning, rather interesting characters, awesome mystery, fighting wasn't boring. I researched a bit and found out that a second season is planned for 2015. I'm glad about that because I want to know how it proceeds but I'm not the kind of guy who would actually read the manga. I also want them to expand on Mikasa. She is so badass but they really turned her into a character that only does one thing: Speaking the "Eren" line... Kind of disappointing for a character with so much potential.

Picked up Aldnoah.zero now. Finished episode 7 now. It's kinda ok. Some girls are a bit annoying. They have like life-saving positions, yet they act like helpless creeps. Slaine is pretty cool. I hope they deliver on Inaho and provide a solid answer to why he is so awesome in the end... Right now it's rather irritating.

Glad you liked SnK. I only watched half of the anime but had read the manga up till about last September lol. Mikasa feel so tied to Eren at all times but guess she's that into his safety lol.

AZ is good fun too. I won't say much for your last part though. He's the calculating type, possibly the 'keep emotions hidden' part too.


I have no problem with her being that much into his safety. But that doesn't mean that "Eren" is like 99,9% of the content/words she has to say in the second half.

AZ: I'll keep watching, we'll see.

About SAOII: It saddens me to read all this stuff here about it. I just cross read it as I don't want to be spoiled (I wait until it's finished) but I think I captured the general tone. I was really looking forward to it since I liked the first arc in SAO, it was kinda cute and compelling. I read about the "fancom" of SAO before, being horrible and such. But as I don't know anything about fancoms of animes I didn't think much of it. I hoped in SAOII they would go more in depth with the backround of the characters like Asuna and not for some unnecessary dragged stuff and fanservice. Meh. I will still watch it when it finished airing, I hope you painted it too dark.



They will go into asuna's background in the arc after GGO which is mother's rosario which is what will happen after ep 12 of SAO2 as Asuna is the main protagonist of Mother's Rosario. Then she will be relegated to supporting character again in alicization which this season will probably not cover..

I didn't paint it dark. The show is not dark at all. Sinon just has a tragic past which has never been explained in full detail in the anime so tons of anime-only watchers get confused.

I had high hopes for SAO after watching the Aincrad arc but honestly, it was probably the high point of the series. I read the LNs and what's going on in the anime (GGO in particular) is just a travesty. Like, it's not even fan service, wtf.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 22:38:22
September 15 2014 22:32 GMT
#83327
On September 16 2014 07:08 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 06:58 Numy wrote:
Thing is you shouldn't need a flashback to flesh out a character. Doing so is merely a crutch of bad writing. It's entirely possible to convey everything the character has been through by looking at the current without doing flashbacks.


Not really, people can act in similar ways but whatever is in their back story that "explains it" you can't divine from seeing how they are now.


Well you can write in such a way that you get pieces of information about that person and their character without explicitly telling you "xyz" about them. Eventually you'll be able to get a full picture of what went down with them without every having "this is their backstory" or a character that explains it all. I find writing these days tends to use side characters or flashbacks to explain plot points/backstory far too much.

On September 16 2014 07:20 SK.Testie wrote:
I don't think flashbacks are a crutch of bad writing unless they are massively overused. In which case might as well have a prequel series. Once in a while they are fucking awesome.


What I mean is that bad writing tends to use flashbacks a lot more than good writing. It's a way to explain plot/characters directly to the reader. Flashbacks on their own I feel aren't the greatest. Just finished reading Peter Brett who has large portions of 2 books being events in the past. There it felt more like reading 4 stories than one even though it was the same characters. The problem is flashbacks disjoint the reader by changing time constantly. Erikson I think does it well where each book is a story within the world so while the time periods change it doesn't feel like you jumping all over the place within one narrative.
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
September 15 2014 22:36 GMT
#83328
On September 16 2014 07:29 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 05:31 IceHism wrote:
On September 16 2014 04:56 Miragee wrote:
On September 16 2014 01:18 BigFan wrote:
On September 16 2014 00:42 Miragee wrote:
So I finished SnK the other day. Have to say I really liked it. The atmosphere was stunning, rather interesting characters, awesome mystery, fighting wasn't boring. I researched a bit and found out that a second season is planned for 2015. I'm glad about that because I want to know how it proceeds but I'm not the kind of guy who would actually read the manga. I also want them to expand on Mikasa. She is so badass but they really turned her into a character that only does one thing: Speaking the "Eren" line... Kind of disappointing for a character with so much potential.

Picked up Aldnoah.zero now. Finished episode 7 now. It's kinda ok. Some girls are a bit annoying. They have like life-saving positions, yet they act like helpless creeps. Slaine is pretty cool. I hope they deliver on Inaho and provide a solid answer to why he is so awesome in the end... Right now it's rather irritating.

Glad you liked SnK. I only watched half of the anime but had read the manga up till about last September lol. Mikasa feel so tied to Eren at all times but guess she's that into his safety lol.

AZ is good fun too. I won't say much for your last part though. He's the calculating type, possibly the 'keep emotions hidden' part too.


I have no problem with her being that much into his safety. But that doesn't mean that "Eren" is like 99,9% of the content/words she has to say in the second half.

AZ: I'll keep watching, we'll see.

About SAOII: It saddens me to read all this stuff here about it. I just cross read it as I don't want to be spoiled (I wait until it's finished) but I think I captured the general tone. I was really looking forward to it since I liked the first arc in SAO, it was kinda cute and compelling. I read about the "fancom" of SAO before, being horrible and such. But as I don't know anything about fancoms of animes I didn't think much of it. I hoped in SAOII they would go more in depth with the backround of the characters like Asuna and not for some unnecessary dragged stuff and fanservice. Meh. I will still watch it when it finished airing, I hope you painted it too dark.



They will go into asuna's background in the arc after GGO which is mother's rosario which is what will happen after ep 12 of SAO2 as Asuna is the main protagonist of Mother's Rosario. Then she will be relegated to supporting character again in alicization which this season will probably not cover..

I didn't paint it dark. The show is not dark at all. Sinon just has a tragic past which has never been explained in full detail in the anime so tons of anime-only watchers get confused.

I had high hopes for SAO after watching the Aincrad arc but honestly, it was probably the high point of the series. I read the LNs and what's going on in the anime (GGO in particular) is just a travesty. Like, it's not even fan service, wtf.

The main Aincrad arc was the original story that the author written for his competition entry or something iirc, and there was a page limit of 100 or so. It was really good as it could, but could have been better with more background story and such which he added in later on in some of the extra volumes. Every thing after Aincrad arc just went downhill as if he tried too hard to milk the series and just run out of decent idea.
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IceHism
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1903 Posts
September 15 2014 22:42 GMT
#83329
I don't think reki ever submitted SAO into the competition. It was just a web novel he had fun with. He only got it published after he won the competition with Accel world.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 22:45:37
September 15 2014 22:43 GMT
#83330
On September 16 2014 07:32 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 07:08 Slaughter wrote:
On September 16 2014 06:58 Numy wrote:
Thing is you shouldn't need a flashback to flesh out a character. Doing so is merely a crutch of bad writing. It's entirely possible to convey everything the character has been through by looking at the current without doing flashbacks.


Not really, people can act in similar ways but whatever is in their back story that "explains it" you can't divine from seeing how they are now.


Well you can write in such a way that you get pieces of information about that person and their character without explicitly telling you "xyz" about them. Eventually you'll be able to get a full picture of what went down with them without every having "this is their backstory" or a character that explains it all. I find writing these days tends to use side characters or flashbacks to explain plot points/backstory far too much.

Show nested quote +
On September 16 2014 07:20 SK.Testie wrote:
I don't think flashbacks are a crutch of bad writing unless they are massively overused. In which case might as well have a prequel series. Once in a while they are fucking awesome.


What I mean is that bad writing tends to use flashbacks a lot more than good writing. It's a way to explain plot/characters directly to the reader. Flashbacks on their own I feel aren't the greatest. Just finished reading Peter Brett who has large portions of 2 books being events in the past. There it felt more like reading 4 stories than one even though it was the same characters. The problem is flashbacks disjoint the reader by changing time constantly. Erikson I think does it well where each book is a story within the world so while the time periods change it doesn't feel like you jumping all over the place within one narrative.


I do agree that lazy writers often do not try for subtlety and just have a character do X that seems out of place (or just their whole character seems off) but they don't drop in development to gradually explain it. Instead they just rely on big flashback events. I do agree there, but it is sometimes needed depending on the character or if you need/want specific context. I guess it also has to be said that a lot of readers/viewers don't pay close enough attention as well to see smaller developments into a greater characterization lol.
Never Knows Best.
Ecael
Profile Joined February 2008
United States6703 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-15 22:46:54
September 15 2014 22:45 GMT
#83331
SAO had much more hype than AW did iirc, I think it was just much more successful as a webnovel. AW itself was only really advertised as competition winner + from the guy that wrote SAO.

Also are we actually arguing whether flashbacks are a good literary device? Not like SAO guy's writing skills are good enough to make it matter anyway~
bluegarfield
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore1128 Posts
September 15 2014 22:53 GMT
#83332
On September 16 2014 07:42 IceHism wrote:
I don't think reki ever submitted SAO into the competition. It was just a web novel he had fun with. He only got it published after he won the competition with Accel world.


Yup he didn't submit it. But it was still written with constraints in mind and limit to Aincrad arc mostly. It is a good arc either way, just not enough length
ELqQQT_T
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
September 15 2014 23:02 GMT
#83333
srsly, what's with the cancer in this thread
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Sterlymobile
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
September 15 2014 23:13 GMT
#83334
Just found out the VA for Yoshitake Rika from Genshiken is the same VA who does Inugami-san from Inugami x Nekoyama. It looks like she's a fairly new VA. Hope to see more good roles from her
"You sons of a silly person"
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
September 15 2014 23:58 GMT
#83335
oh well that explains the missing parts in the anime, i just kinda assumed random stuff from they show in the anime lol
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
September 16 2014 00:06 GMT
#83336
Personally, I think flashbacks are great within limit of course. Some things can only be explained (or are easier to explain) through flashbacks. Slaughter brings a good point with the idea that subtle developments can be missed by the readers.

On September 16 2014 08:02 Toadesstern wrote:
srsly, what's with the cancer in this thread

?

On September 16 2014 08:58 Shock710 wrote:
oh well that explains the missing parts in the anime, i just kinda assumed random stuff from they show in the anime lol

lol same.
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SK.Testie
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada11084 Posts
September 16 2014 00:49 GMT
#83337
On September 16 2014 07:32 Numy wrote:
What I mean is that bad writing tends to use flashbacks a lot more than good writing. It's a way to explain plot/characters directly to the reader. Flashbacks on their own I feel aren't the greatest. Just finished reading Peter Brett who has large portions of 2 books being events in the past. There it felt more like reading 4 stories than one even though it was the same characters. The problem is flashbacks disjoint the reader by changing time constantly. Erikson I think does it well where each book is a story within the world so while the time periods change it doesn't feel like you jumping all over the place within one narrative.



This is definitely true, agreed. I fucking love Erikson.
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KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
September 16 2014 00:52 GMT
#83338
On September 16 2014 05:00 MichaelEU wrote:


Now I'm scared for Kaze.

It's okay, I've already held hands with her. Best moment of my life.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
September 16 2014 02:07 GMT
#83339
On September 16 2014 07:45 Ecael wrote:
SAO had much more hype than AW did iirc, I think it was just much more successful as a webnovel. AW itself was only really advertised as competition winner + from the guy that wrote SAO.

Also are we actually arguing whether flashbacks are a good literary device? Not like SAO guy's writing skills are good enough to make it matter anyway~


AW is actually one of the few novel I look forward to each vol, rather than reading because stuck at work like most others. SAO on the other hand piss me off immensely.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
September 16 2014 02:15 GMT
#83340
+ Show Spoiler [Fate/Stay Night: Unlimited Blade Works] +
http://puu.sh/bAQl4/eb1f0227d5.png

HOLY FUCK KURITSUGU WAS AN EINZBERN? AND ILYA IS HIS DAUGHTER?! whatthefuck I didn't see that coming at all
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