EPTAnime Discussion Thread - Page 4167
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
On September 16 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Thing is you shouldn't need a flashback to flesh out a character. Doing so is merely a crutch of bad writing. It's entirely possible to convey everything the character has been through by looking at the current without doing flashbacks. That isn't meant to flesh out shino. It was meant to explain why her mom would go "wow wtf is happening" and why other students are like "wow, shino you murderer" flashbacks are cool though ;_;, i always love watching them | ||
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 16 2014 06:58 Numy wrote: Thing is you shouldn't need a flashback to flesh out a character. Doing so is merely a crutch of bad writing. It's entirely possible to convey everything the character has been through by looking at the current without doing flashbacks. Not really, people can act in similar ways but whatever is in their back story that "explains it" you can't divine from seeing how they are now. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:31 IceHism wrote: They will go into asuna's background in the arc after GGO which is mother's rosario which is what will happen after ep 12 of SAO2 as Asuna is the main protagonist of Mother's Rosario. Then she will be relegated to supporting character again in alicization which this season will probably not cover.. I didn't paint it dark. The show is not dark at all. Sinon just has a tragic past which has never been explained in full detail in the anime so tons of anime-only watchers get confused. I had high hopes for SAO after watching the Aincrad arc but honestly, it was probably the high point of the series. I read the LNs and what's going on in the anime (GGO in particular) is just a travesty. Like, it's not even fan service, wtf. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:08 Slaughter wrote: Not really, people can act in similar ways but whatever is in their back story that "explains it" you can't divine from seeing how they are now. Well you can write in such a way that you get pieces of information about that person and their character without explicitly telling you "xyz" about them. Eventually you'll be able to get a full picture of what went down with them without every having "this is their backstory" or a character that explains it all. I find writing these days tends to use side characters or flashbacks to explain plot points/backstory far too much. On September 16 2014 07:20 SK.Testie wrote: I don't think flashbacks are a crutch of bad writing unless they are massively overused. In which case might as well have a prequel series. Once in a while they are fucking awesome. What I mean is that bad writing tends to use flashbacks a lot more than good writing. It's a way to explain plot/characters directly to the reader. Flashbacks on their own I feel aren't the greatest. Just finished reading Peter Brett who has large portions of 2 books being events in the past. There it felt more like reading 4 stories than one even though it was the same characters. The problem is flashbacks disjoint the reader by changing time constantly. Erikson I think does it well where each book is a story within the world so while the time periods change it doesn't feel like you jumping all over the place within one narrative. | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:29 NeoIllusions wrote: I had high hopes for SAO after watching the Aincrad arc but honestly, it was probably the high point of the series. I read the LNs and what's going on in the anime (GGO in particular) is just a travesty. Like, it's not even fan service, wtf. The main Aincrad arc was the original story that the author written for his competition entry or something iirc, and there was a page limit of 100 or so. It was really good as it could, but could have been better with more background story and such which he added in later on in some of the extra volumes. Every thing after Aincrad arc just went downhill as if he tried too hard to milk the series and just run out of decent idea. | ||
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IceHism
United States1903 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:32 Numy wrote: Well you can write in such a way that you get pieces of information about that person and their character without explicitly telling you "xyz" about them. Eventually you'll be able to get a full picture of what went down with them without every having "this is their backstory" or a character that explains it all. I find writing these days tends to use side characters or flashbacks to explain plot points/backstory far too much. What I mean is that bad writing tends to use flashbacks a lot more than good writing. It's a way to explain plot/characters directly to the reader. Flashbacks on their own I feel aren't the greatest. Just finished reading Peter Brett who has large portions of 2 books being events in the past. There it felt more like reading 4 stories than one even though it was the same characters. The problem is flashbacks disjoint the reader by changing time constantly. Erikson I think does it well where each book is a story within the world so while the time periods change it doesn't feel like you jumping all over the place within one narrative. I do agree that lazy writers often do not try for subtlety and just have a character do X that seems out of place (or just their whole character seems off) but they don't drop in development to gradually explain it. Instead they just rely on big flashback events. I do agree there, but it is sometimes needed depending on the character or if you need/want specific context. I guess it also has to be said that a lot of readers/viewers don't pay close enough attention as well to see smaller developments into a greater characterization lol. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
Also are we actually arguing whether flashbacks are a good literary device? Not like SAO guy's writing skills are good enough to make it matter anyway~ | ||
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bluegarfield
Singapore1128 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:42 IceHism wrote: I don't think reki ever submitted SAO into the competition. It was just a web novel he had fun with. He only got it published after he won the competition with Accel world. Yup he didn't submit it. But it was still written with constraints in mind and limit to Aincrad arc mostly. It is a good arc either way, just not enough length | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
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Sterlymobile
United States1009 Posts
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Shock710
Australia6097 Posts
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On September 16 2014 08:02 Toadesstern wrote: srsly, what's with the cancer in this thread ? On September 16 2014 08:58 Shock710 wrote: oh well that explains the missing parts in the anime, i just kinda assumed random stuff from they show in the anime lol lol same. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:32 Numy wrote: What I mean is that bad writing tends to use flashbacks a lot more than good writing. It's a way to explain plot/characters directly to the reader. Flashbacks on their own I feel aren't the greatest. Just finished reading Peter Brett who has large portions of 2 books being events in the past. There it felt more like reading 4 stories than one even though it was the same characters. The problem is flashbacks disjoint the reader by changing time constantly. Erikson I think does it well where each book is a story within the world so while the time periods change it doesn't feel like you jumping all over the place within one narrative. This is definitely true, agreed. I fucking love Erikson. | ||
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On September 16 2014 05:00 MichaelEU wrote: Now I'm scared for Kaze. It's okay, I've already held hands with her. Best moment of my life. | ||
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ragz_gt
9172 Posts
On September 16 2014 07:45 Ecael wrote: SAO had much more hype than AW did iirc, I think it was just much more successful as a webnovel. AW itself was only really advertised as competition winner + from the guy that wrote SAO. Also are we actually arguing whether flashbacks are a good literary device? Not like SAO guy's writing skills are good enough to make it matter anyway~ AW is actually one of the few novel I look forward to each vol, rather than reading because stuck at work like most others. SAO on the other hand piss me off immensely. | ||
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johnnywup
United States3858 Posts
http://puu.sh/bAQl4/eb1f0227d5.png HOLY FUCK KURITSUGU WAS AN EINZBERN? AND ILYA IS HIS DAUGHTER?! whatthefuck I didn't see that coming at all | ||
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