EPTI don't think it will be anyone's favourite anime after watching more than a few shows, but it's not meant to be. It's a gateway show. Whether that's what the original material was I don't know, but that's what the anime clearly is, and it's silly to judge it as anything else.
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
I don't think it will be anyone's favourite anime after watching more than a few shows, but it's not meant to be. It's a gateway show. Whether that's what the original material was I don't know, but that's what the anime clearly is, and it's silly to judge it as anything else. | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10666 Posts
On September 27 2013 08:07 Ecael wrote: Except mj, other than jesus, all of them did die irl when they die in game. At no point during the show I felt like Kirito was in ANY danger. Its like they didnt even try. We were supposed to believe he has invincible plot armor and that the game rule doesnt apply to him? I found that disappointing. On September 27 2013 08:19 Jehct wrote: I mean 'good for what it is' in that it's an entertaining, easy watching, low commitment show for casual/new viewers, similar to twilight or whatever. It's probably not a faithful adaption, and it's not super compelling/impactful, but it's gorgeous, has an engaging soundtrack, a simple story, relatable characters and presentation that never loses the audience. It's like a taste tester for the medium. I don't think it will be anyone's favourite anime after watching more than a few shows, but it's not meant to be. It's a gateway show. Whether that's what the original material was I don't know, but that's what the anime clearly is, and it's silly to judge it as anything else. I think SAO is a good gateway anime. Mines was HOTD and Im still waiting for season 2. Its so good. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On September 27 2013 08:27 Emnjay808 wrote: At no point during the show I felt like Kirito was in ANY danger. Its like they didnt even try. We were supposed to believe he has invincible plot armor and that the game rule doesnt apply to him? I found that disappointing. I think SAO is a good gateway anime. Mines was HOTD and Im still waiting for season 2. Its so good. MCs and character shield is a different matter than that they removed death, considering that if you aren't jesus you still drop dead. At a pretty alarming rate, at that. On September 27 2013 08:19 Jehct wrote: I mean 'good for what it is' in that it's an entertaining, easy watching, low commitment show for casual/new viewers, similar to twilight or whatever. It's probably not a faithful adaption, and it's not super compelling/impactful, but it's gorgeous, has an engaging soundtrack, a simple story, relatable characters and presentation that never loses the audience. It's like a taste tester for the medium. I don't think it will be anyone's favourite anime after watching more than a few shows, but it's not meant to be. It's a gateway show. Whether that's what the original material was I don't know, but that's what the anime clearly is, and it's silly to judge it as anything else. SAO was certainly not made to be a gateway anime, it just happens to appeal to the mainstream audience while being bad. The so-called gateway anime is probably more of the silliest reasons people can give to justify something bad but popular. Japan is a culture where kids can grow up with Sazae-san, doraemon, crayon shin-chan and even precure. What kind of a gateway is SAO? lol | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
The way I see it, it's a show for people who watched anime once, but got more interested in other things along the way. It's kinda clever in that it targets that audience really clearly with it's setting, and it is really accessible. It's lacking in terms of bigger story/impact/whatever, and that's a legitimate complaint, but I never got the impression it was trying to do that stuff. It didn't bother me like Gargantia, where it sorta started in that direction, and then stopped. Maybe the light novels are better though, and it's disappointing in comparison. Iuno. I didn't watch it as it was airing, and I was never hyped for it. I just felt like relaxing one day, it was available, and it was satisfying. I assume that's what it was made for, but who knows? | ||
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FireSA
Australia555 Posts
Gateway anime? Surely that's DBZ, Pokemon, One Piece, Naruto, maybe Full Metal Alchemist..? Maybe even YuGiOh, Beyblade, Digimon etc? Are all those too old now? Anyways recently watched and finished Akagi. Feel like I know Mahjong a bit better, girlfriend suggested I just buy a mahjong set. Shame about the ending, but a bit of googling seems to suggest the match between Akagi and...Washizu? Whatever his name was, is not finished yet ''-__-. Also still watching second season of Darker than Black, at one point considered deleting it, but eh, not too long. And at times it still has glimpses of the first season's goodness, but eh. Also finished the first 76 episodes of Hajime No Ippo, and the first movie. Didn't really like the movie. But the show was great. The second movie, and next season are already downloaded, ready to be absorbed!! | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On September 27 2013 09:20 Jehct wrote: In the west we have all kinds of kids novels/movies/shows/whatever, but we still have twilight/hunger games, or 50 shades of grey for adults. There are light 'gateway' media for any age group. You don't just do it for kids and say 'nice, we got them'. The way I see it, it's a show for people who watched anime once, but got more interested in other things along the way. It's kinda clever in that it targets that audience really clearly with it's setting, and it is really accessible. It's lacking in terms of bigger story/impact/whatever, and that's a legitimate complaint, but I never got the impression it was trying to do that stuff. It didn't bother me like Gargantia, where it sorta started in that direction, and then stopped. Maybe the light novels are better though, and it's disappointing in comparison. Iuno. I didn't watch it as it was airing, and I was never hyped for it. I just felt like relaxing one day, it was available, and it was satisfying. I assume that's what it was made for, but who knows? I am not sure what you are saying here, is your point that terrible shit makes up your so-called gateway media for adults? Because that's all I can gather from your example. The source wasn't better per se, but it made more sense and the flaw is easily identified as a result of trying to milk product. It was also considerably more ambitious than the anime could claim to be, even if at the end of some 16~17 vols worth of materials they were hardly developed. SAO anime on the other hand just had a ton of pacing flaws and nonsensical decisions like including ALO. Then again I think ALO was decently well received. Maybe I'll just go back to hating on Japan for producing shit. | ||
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Jehct
New Zealand9115 Posts
It's not the best at what it does - not a Harry Potter, or Dragon Ball, or whatever - but it doesn't give the impression that it's trying to be. The long-term commitment/investment just wasn't there. Instead, they made a slower paced visual/audio feast. I think it works, more or less, with some flaws. From what you're saying, it's just not the books, or what you're interested in. Honestly, it's popularity could get someone to do a more faithful, larger scale remake in the future, like Brotherhood. When you don't know the source material, though, I don't think the show gives much reason to be sour. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
With that out of the way, SAO had good production values. But that is about it. I'm not sour that the anime wasn't more faithful to the source. If it was, it wouldn't be that much better. I don't think much of the LNs as it is, and I'm pretty sure Eca doesn't care much for them either. SAO's case is taking a already mediocre/sub-par series and making it even worse, but with a good budget. If people are 'sour' about anything, its just sour over its overall quality, or lack of in this case. It isn't like SAO ran over our dog or otherwise made people develop some personal grudge. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
HOLY FUCK I WANTED SO MUCH TO HAPPEN AND IT ONLY GOT SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO HAPPENING!!! | ||
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maru~
2345 Posts
However, these very aspects that try to smear over the shit of its core make it a breeding ground for aspie, unsociable underageb& faggots who engage in every kind of faggotry both online and in the real world. The super powered gary stu main character always trying his hardest to look cool, the long, black and edgy long coat and everything about SAO world fuels their escapist fantasies, while the harem character backgrounds, make it fit just right with the mary-sueish drives of your average preteen and his sense of unwarranted self-importance towards the world. Exactly the kind of shit that makes little kiddies and underageb& retards eat this shit right the fuck up. ...seriously though, it's pretty bad but so are other shows. It just gets a lot of flak because it's so popular despite being bad. But yeah, at least it has good production value. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:05 Dark_Chill wrote: So, Servant x Service is finished... + Show Spoiler + HOLY FUCK I WANTED SO MUCH TO HAPPEN AND IT ONLY GOT SLIGHTLY CLOSER TO HAPPENING!!! First we get SAO and now people want Haganai, what is up with people wanting bad things tonight. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On September 27 2013 07:26 Yorbon wrote: SAO was one of those animes showing promise in their summary. After the first episode and slap in the face, you actually don't even want to see the second. Then you decide to give it a second chance and watch the second episode, only to be slapped in the face again. slapped by what? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On September 27 2013 06:00 Sentenal wrote: No, its not good for "what it is". "What it is" is an adaption of a LN series, which manages to be much worse than what it is adapting (which is actually an impressive feat, in a morbid kind of way). Not mention saying "its good for what it is" is such a terrible way to describe something or try to defend sometime, like you can't even defend it based on its own merits. Plus, I couldn't really care less about how popular it is, considering that one of my favorite animes is Gundam SEED. I'm willing to guess basically no one has actually read all 12 volumes of the LN. I know you haven't because you admit as much in this post. So I'm not sure where or how exactly you feel qualified to call the anime adaption shit or not. Or are you just regurgitating other people's opinions? | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:14 a176 wrote: I'm willing to guess basically no one has actually read all 12 volumes of the LN. I know you haven't because you admit as much in this post. So I'm not sure where or how exactly you feel qualified to call the anime adaption shit or not. Or are you just regurgitating other people's opinions? Actually I am pretty sure Sent is almost up to date on the translated SAO stuff, which should be around up to what published vols are up to. He definitely got up to around rape because I recall we were talking about how it apparently doesn't sound very rape-like when he read. So yeah 1 or 2 vols behind published, at most. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:14 a176 wrote: I'm willing to guess basically no one has actually read all 12 volumes of the LN. I know you haven't because you admit as much in this post. So I'm not sure where or how exactly you feel qualified to call the anime adaption shit or not. Or are you just regurgitating other people's opinions? I've read all of SAO, what are you talking about? How did I "admit I've never read it"? | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:18 Sentenal wrote: I've read all of SAO, what are you talking about? How did I "admit I've never read it"? Forgive me if I not believe you haven't forced yourself through all the volumes because I've only ever seen you talk about how much you seem to hate it. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:22 a176 wrote: Forgive me if I not believe you haven't forced yourself through all the volumes because I've only ever seen you talk about how much you seem to hate it. The anime is shit. The LNs are mediocre to bad, which is exactly what I said. Would you like me to talk about GGO, Asuna's Cry Fest, or Alicization as proof of having read it? Please, you are being ridiculous. | ||
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Ecael
United States6703 Posts
On September 27 2013 11:24 Sentenal wrote: The anime is shit. The LNs are mediocre to bad, which is exactly what I said. Would you like me to talk about GGO, Asuna's Cry Fest, or Alicization as proof of having read it? Please, you are being ridiculous. We can talk about Alicization but I'd essentially just be talking about bleach, with the addition of a hot robot, kinda. | ||
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