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Rebs
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KazeHydra
Japan2788 Posts
On December 06 2011 06:19 Ferrose wrote: KazeHydra you do know that C^3 is an LN too, right? I suspected it but wasn't sure. I would imagine the LN is pretty interesting since the writer would have the necessary time to flesh out the entire story at a much better pace (and I do feel like there is a ton of interesting info that is being omitted). I would also guess the reliance on fan service is much less because a lot of it in the anime feels incredibly forced. Despite that, I think the anime should be judged apart from the LN, though source material may be able to explain why an animated version didn't turn out so well. On December 06 2011 06:22 Rebs wrote: They are the same formula for a show and I already highlighted the differences. Guy living alone, forced to live with new girl who pops up out of nowhere, has childhood friend etc etc. Ofcourse you can say that for alot of shows and it provides the same general experience and that was my point. Naturally the setting and the reasons for fighting and all that jazz will be different. I dont know wether Shana is trying to get clever I havent seen S3 thats why I said "if" because people are saying they dont get it, it was an assumption. Ill admit though that Shana took its story progression a bit more seriously than C^3 has "thus far". There wasnt much to understand about Shanas plot either, if you condense the first season or the second one for that matter. They just had more time to throw in the "pool" epis etc etc. I think C^3 managed just one so far. As for "light" and "dark" . Things like Margery Daw going ape shit isnt an attempt at expressing a similar thing? Like I said its alot more pronounced in C^3. Which is why I called the show bipolar since its bouncing around the two every episode with the whole inner suffering, "which isnt really anybodys fault", o no waits its the humans, They are bad people so they turned us into bad things. I didnt say they had the same story/plot at any point I dont even see why thats important. Also I didnt say C^3 has more of a story, I said precisely the opposite. Hence the ?. So I dont get why you would pick up on that since its something we agree on. My entire premise was should this show go beyond 12 episodes you will start saying "Ohhhhhhh I think Ive seen this before." You can talk about reasons for fighting and all that being different and the fact that Im generalizing romance action but theres alottt of romance action that dont follow this particular formula. Granted those arent very good shows either because those usually have the harem element more pronounced. The point is both shows lie on the same particular end of the spectrum. edit: and yeah its an LN thats why I made the comment about 10 episodes in because even though there's 12 theres no telling how far theyll go with it, so its not like the people producing the anime are making this shit up on the fly. Well when you said "there is no more to the story of C^3 than to Shana" that implied that the stories are equal, not less, so I ended up reading the rest of your post with that perspective. My bad for misinterpreting that then. Still, I can't agree that just because shows have a general similar outline, they result in a similar experience. It seems to me that the direction C^3's LN would take is very different than the direction Shana took, but I could be wrong. I agree both "lie on the same end of the spectrum" but I feel you need a lot more similarities than that to fairly compare any two shows. When something is more pronounced to the degree of C^3, that means "this show is actually about this topic unlike that show which has so little of it." That stuff is certainly in Shana, but it is far from being a theme, unlike C^3. I think I may still be misunderstanding you because you talk about how Shana and C^3 are pretty much the same experience but admit they have different plots, stories, and "all that jazz." I really don't see how that can happen without more similarities. It also seems silly to me to prove a point by claiming "there's no telling how far they'll go," because that's purely conjecture. As a 12 episode anime series, C^3 has done a terrible job with plot pacing. As a LN, it could be very different. Also, anime is known to butcher source material, so you really can't say that unless you've read it. But whatever, it seems I've misunderstood a large part of your post, although I still disagree with your logic of arguments. Shana vs C^3 aside, the rest of that post is also aimed at everyone else arguing over the show, as I said before. On December 06 2011 07:28 Rebs wrote: So they story isnt the same as the show ? They might be changing things but they cant turn it into a show that has nothing to do with the LN's can they ? It's happened before. I can't say anything about C^3 specifically, but yes they can. | ||
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Pakistan10726 Posts
As for the titles and chapters of the LN's it seems like theyre taking the same stories at least, but thats as much as I can bother with it, so yes I was being specific to C^3 not LN to anime in general. | ||
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NationInArms
United States1553 Posts
On December 06 2011 01:34 Requizen wrote: Few chapters this morning: GE: + Show Spoiler + Risa once again gets into something because she's too dumb/timid to say something for herself. Nice to see blonde friend be more than something than an interesting background character for once. I really didn't expect Utsumi to say something to Yuki though, that was a genuine surprise for me that he was actually straightforward about something for once. And the Christmas special was actually pretty funny. Bakuman: + Show Spoiler + I think the characters in this stay fresh, but the whole thing where they go from #1 to "oh no, we're losing readers, better do something drastic!" is getting a bit repetitive. I guess it's realistic. The idea of making this a short series after forcing Jump to take it on seems interesting, I suppose. Liar Game: + Show Spoiler + Good to see there's still a bit of intrigue to this. I'm still not sure it'll measure up to how it started, though. Yokoya has potential to be an awesome adversary, though. My first impression was that he has an inside source of information, maybe the chick coordinator? GE + Show Spoiler + Blonde guy waltzes in like a boss and pwns Mr.PUA? Awesome! I think the whole purpose of this was to get Risa to grow stronger. And get Utsumi to confess, in a non-Utsumi way. Liar Game + Show Spoiler + I think Yokoya is pure genius right now. I'm not sure about an informant, but I think he's starting to get the hang of how Liar Game works. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
Char Aznable ![[image loading]](http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y255/darksentenal/shaa.png) Char originally appeared in MSG as an enemy ace pilot. He was smart, talented, good looking, and even had his own custom Red Zaku. He would become the MC's primary rival in the show, but he was also shown to have his own agenda. Char was actually the son of Zeon Deikun, the former leader of Zeon who was assassinated by the Zabi Family (who now runs the show). Char would plot his revenge against the Zabi Family. He even befriended Garma Zabi, a Zabi Prince, earned his trust, and eventually used that trust to get Garma killed. By the end of the series, the Zeon had lost the war, and Char had gotten his revenge. Char made his return in Mobile Suit Zeta Gundam, pretending to be a man named Quattro Bajeena. In this he would be on the side of the AEUG, who are the protagonist in the story. His role is was to be a mentor character for Kamille, who was the MC of Zeta. Eventually it is revealed who he is (although no one was surprised lol), and he even fought long side his old rival, Amuro, for the greater good against the Titans. In the very final battle, Char's mech was practically destroyed, and Char went missing. He wouldn't return until CCA. Char returns in CCA, this time as the political leader of Neo Zeon. Char apparently became fed up at the Earth Federation Government due to events in ZZ Gundam, and intended to destroy it and force everyone to move up into space to become "Newtypes". The idea was originally created by his father, in that when mankind moves into space, they will evolve into Newtypes, and be able to truly understand one another. Char intended to force that change by dropping a giant Asteroid into the Earth, causing an Ice Age that would force mankind off the planet. In the final battle, Char is defeated by long time rival Amuro, and he pushes the Asteroid that Char intended to drop away from the Earth. Both Char and Amuro go missing during the last moment, and are assumed dead (or maybe not, watch Unicorn). Now thats all and good, but did you know that after the events in Zeta Gundam, Char must have gone absolutely batshit insane? Perhaps he suffered brain damage. That also seems likely. Or maybe he was always full of shit and wanted to show the Zabis just how its done in killing lots of people. I will explain. First, read the following. Its parts of a speech Char himself made in Zeta Gundam, to the Federation Assembly: "People went to space so that the Earth would not collapse under the weight of humans. And then people who went to space continued to expand their living space. As a result, history shows that humans wrongfully believed they enhanced the powers of humanity itself, creating forces like the Zabi family. That is very unfortunate. We must not repeat that history." "I am saying we humans must not pollute the Earth! The Titans are comprised of people whose souls are pulled by Earth and are about to devour it!" "For the longest time, people have played in this cradle called Earth. However, the time has come for humanity to leave this nest. Why then, in this important time, must humanity fight against each other, and further pollute the Earth?" "The Earth must be restored to its natural state as a cradle, and humans must establish themselves in space. Otherwise, the Earth will no longer be a 'planet of water'!" "Right now, each one of us would like to see this Earth remain beautiful. Then there is no way we should cling to Earth like parasites just to satisfy our own desires!" "As we speak, the Titans have decided to begin a battle regardless of this gathering. See the tyrannical actions they are taking! They have emerged from the previous Earth Federation Forces and label any opponent as evil. But that in itself is evil, and we can say its the cause of humanity's decline!" This gives a good idea of what alot of Spacenoids in UC believe, and is considered one of the most important speechs in Gundam. It sounds good, doesn't? Char made himself out to be a warrior environmentalist, who also advocated humanities advancement into space. Now, remember what I said about CCA? Char tries to drop a fucking Asteroid on Earth. Now how the hell does that line up with the above speech? Sending it into an Ice Age. An environmentalist who wants to destroy the planet and end all life on it. Thats pretty cool. Axis, the asteroid in question, isn't the only thing he wants to drop. He actually did drop another, smaller Asteroid onto Earth Federation HQ in Tibet just as the movie starts. People praise Char later on for being a good politician. All he had going for him is charisma, to get people to follow him, to create his Neo Zeon. He was also good enough to trick Federation leaders to actually GIVE him Axis in exchange for "disarmament", which he tricked them over. But lets look at stuff that might not be as obvious. First, lets assume that he doesn't want to go the mass-murderer Gihren Zabi way. Did Char really have the resources in place to try and evacuate millions of people on the Earth up into Space after he dropped Axis? No, not even close. It doesn't look like he even intended to try. And we KNOW Char wasn't counting on the Federation for it, judging on him being pissed off at the Dublin Colony Drop. So basically, he was going to fuck over everyone on Earth, with no back-up plan. Well, fuck'em, what about his own people in Space? Did he have a back-up plan for Neo-Zeon? He ended up exhausting pretty much all of Neo Zeon's resources in the final battle, and even if he had survived, the Federation would have simply crushed him and remained in power. Not to mention he would have driven countless people from their homes into space, who all see Char as a villain who destroyed their planet. The Federation would have grown much more popular after that, especially considering they did try to stop it! Char's fate in CCA was also a direct result of his own arrogance (or stupidity). The Nu Gundam that Amuro defeated Char with in CCA was provided to him virtually by Char himself, since he placed settling things in a "fair" match with Amuro above his cause, above Neo Zeon, above everything. And it fucked him over as Amuro would lay waste to the Neo Zeon fleet, and then Char himself. Finally, the vast majority of resources in the Earth Sphere comes from the Earth. Even if, somehow, Char won, and Neo Zeon didn't collapse, and he didn't become the object of everyone's hatred, there would be a big problem. There would be an unparalleled economic depression. The vast amounts of resources on the Earth that people used would now be gone to them. It isn't incorrect to think that the depression the destruction of Earth would cause would kill even more people than the One Year War. Oh yeah, he was pretty much a second rate pilot too. In the original Gundam, he started out as one of the best. But Amuro had surpassed him in skill by mid-way through the show, and only got better. Amuro, Kamille, Judau, Haman, Scirocco, and Lalah were all easily better pilots than Char, not to mention stronger Newtypes. Even Oldtypes like Yazan and the Black Tristars were better pilots. Char, he was a cool rival in the beginning, and then was a cool mentor... And then his character was assassinated due to brain damage and he became a 3rd rate politician. Sup Kaal. | ||
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Kupon3ss
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+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/gundam/images/d/db/Char_with_clones.jpg) But then he meets a MC that he becomes obsessed with and falls in So he buys/rents/steals/hitchhikes on a new pimp mobile suit while pretending he didn't and starts stalking the MC, only to get owned again, but actually acknowledged this time as At which point he either becomes tsundere or kuudere .... or a furry + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110606220918/gundam/images/a/af/Neko_Char.png) | ||
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NationInArms
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Sentenal
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On December 06 2011 13:02 NationInArms wrote: Wait, so is Unicorn still a part of the continuation of the original Mobile Suit Gundam story line? It takes place 3 years after CCA. It isn't directly tied to it, other than Full Frontal is called the 2nd Coming of Char, and taking place in the same setting. One of the mysteries in Unicorn is "Is Full Frontal really Char?" I know the answer already, but I didn't want to spoil other people who don't know novel spoilers. | ||
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Blasterion
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/bsUZl.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/tDBMc.png) I don't have much motivation to finish Leica's route just because I kinda just don't like her. But I did enjoy both routes so far though. + Show Spoiler + I did feel I liked the oujo route a bit more, just because of oujo's development after the protag went out of commission, the part where Al-Azif "died" in her route didn't make me feel it had quite the same impact but it did have one of my favorite CGs the Protag looking totally badass after Al-Azif "died" standard magus look, only 10 times more badass ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/hLGHq.png) but then again oujo route has badass butler CG =D ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y3s3R.png) Both routes are filled with Mecha action, and for the most part Demonbane does use almost all of its abilities everytime, Arresting Field is under used, but then again it's not the most useful thing in the world. If anything I feel the protag over use the Fire/Ice guns way too much, and the Scimitar way too little. But the fun thing about the story is that every battle is a tough one and they make it out barely alive, I don't think there has been a single walk over fight in the entire novel, other than against Dr. West since West is just a buffoon. But he becomes pretty cool later on. when you suffer your "casualty" the Protag in oujo route, Al-Azif in Al-Azif route. I feel I might be missing stuff if I don't read Lecia route but then again, I kinda really don't care for her. Thou art the Innocent Blade, Demonbane! | ||
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EchOne
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+ Show Spoiler + Lalah: The only battle she sees includes her shitting on mooks with Elmeth and its revolutionary bits, getting no decisive results against Amuro, and getting killed by plot. Inconclusive at best. Amuro at this point is already sick good, so she may deserve credit for even being his opponent. The battle ends in non-combat newtype shenanigans though, so I'd be skeptical to see it as indicative of piloting. Black Tri-Stars: They're cool and iconic but Amuro prevails against them pretty early on in the show. They definitely field experience and thus teach him a bunch of lessons, but the fact that an early Amuro eventually kills them all before he's even an ace should be pretty telling. Char fights Amuro several times in the original show with a wide range of suits, never dies, and even fights fully grown Amuro to essentially a draw at the end (though Zeong is arguably superior to RX-78-2). Haman: My favorite lady in Zeta fights on the levels of end-show Scirocco, Camille, and Char. She's the first to demonstrate the power of newtype pressure. I don't know her ZZ exploits, but she's definitely ace material in Zeta. The key fight here would be the three-way battle between herself, Scirocco, and Char. Haman and Scirocco both are stronger newtypes and pilot stronger suits (psycommu systems on both, 4 and 2 beam sabers, Qubeley's funnels, The O's armor, etc.), yet Char still maintains parity in battle until Haman and Scirocco agree to 2v1 him. He doesn't even go down easily. The heroes and Yazan both have many displays of top-notch piloting, so no argument there. But yeah at this rate I will never ever see CCA, considering how lame I'm reading it to be. | ||
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Owned Noob
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Sentenal
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On December 06 2011 14:26 EchOne wrote: To Sent on Char's piloting: I've only seen original and Zeta but I didn't get the impression he was the worst pilot in UC. He definitely is surpassed by Amuro and Camille and remains an inferior newtype, but I can't agree that some of the people you named are unequivocally better pilots than Char. + Show Spoiler + Lalah: The only battle she sees includes her shitting on mooks with Elmeth and its revolutionary bits, getting no decisive results against Amuro, and getting killed by plot. Inconclusive at best. Amuro at this point is already sick good, so she may deserve credit for even being his opponent. The battle ends in non-combat newtype shenanigans though, so I'd be skeptical to see it as indicative of piloting. Black Tri-Stars: They're cool and iconic but Amuro prevails against them pretty early on in the show. They definitely field experience and thus teach him a bunch of lessons, but the fact that an early Amuro eventually kills them all before he's even an ace should be pretty telling. Char fights Amuro several times in the original show with a wide range of suits, never dies, and even fights fully grown Amuro to essentially a draw at the end (though Zeong is arguably superior to RX-78-2). Haman: My favorite lady in Zeta fights on the levels of end-show Scirocco, Camille, and Char. She's the first to demonstrate the power of newtype pressure. I don't know her ZZ exploits, but she's definitely ace material in Zeta. The key fight here would be the three-way battle between herself, Scirocco, and Char. Haman and Scirocco both are stronger newtypes and pilot stronger suits (psycommu systems on both, 4 and 2 beam sabers, Qubeley's funnels, The O's armor, etc.), yet Char still maintains parity in battle until Haman and Scirocco agree to 2v1 him. He doesn't even go down easily. The heroes and Yazan both have many displays of top-notch piloting, so no argument there. But yeah at this rate I will never ever see CCA, considering how lame I'm reading it to be. Mid way through 0079, when Amuro fought those 3, he had already surpassed Char in skill. First time they meet after a while in Jaburo, Amuro mops the floor with Char. The Black Tristars almost killed him. They also showed some of the strongest battle tactics of any character in UC, outside like Amuro and Yazan. Also, as far as mobile suit comparisons in UC is concerned, even Gelgoogs were better mobile suits than the RX-78-2. The Zeong was a ton better. The RX-78-2 was just made to look better than everything else in the OYW because Amuro lol. Lalah is definitely no questions asked a stronger Newtype than Char, and I have a hard time imagining that Char would ever be able to beat her. Especially when how powerful a Newtype is translates to combat ability often times. Haman 1v3'd Scirocco, Kamille, and Char. Char's "fight" with Haman at the end was more like him desperately trying to not get killed by her. It really wasn't close at all, Haman was never really in danger at all in one of her fights. Literally the only things that Char has even shown he is good at dealing with are mooks. I guess a few named Titans pilots here or there, but they aren't much above mook-level. In all other circumstances he either loses, or almost loses. | ||
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potchip
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On December 06 2011 14:42 Owned Noob wrote: aight, so after watching some macross frontier, im itching for some j-pop love triangle dog fighting shenanigans. what should i start with in the macross series, and which ones should i skip? in general - macross plus you should watch. The rest..other than the original, doesn't always have all the elements. | ||
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finished chaos head I liked it aside from the first two episodes, which were rather annoying to watch. Some of the explanations came off as a bit too ridiculous for whatever reason. have started watching school days slowly, been reading this thread too long and I'm an idiot I suppose, more annoying to watch than first two episodes of chaos head so far. 9 episodes into the first gundam and 7 into black lagoon, plus some stuff from the current season. on C³ watching it for the pretty colours and the insanity of it all. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On December 06 2011 14:42 Owned Noob wrote: aight, so after watching some macross frontier, im itching for some j-pop love triangle dog fighting shenanigans. what should i start with in the macross series, and which ones should i skip? Macross Plus, as was mentioned, is really good. Its like Macross+Top Gun. The original Macross is a classic up there with MSG, except SDF Macross actually aged a million times better than it has IMO. Its technically my favorite anime of all time. Macross DYRL (Do You Remember Love?) is a good movie version retelling of the original. Really good animation and music in it. Macross 7 is love it or hate it, apparently. I've never seen it. It is really heavy on the music. Like, really heavy on music. They actually fight battles by playing the guitar/singing while also piloting a Valkyrie at the same time. Macross 2 is ok. It is considered AU. It takes place after the original, but goes off on its own timeline apart from the other shows. It has some really cool battles, good animation, cool mechs. I guess plot wise it isn't bad, but its not up to par with the original, thats for sure. Never seen Macross Zero, also haven't heard much about it, other than apparently it has good dogfights. Another thing to keep in mind, is every story within Macross is virtually self contained. You understood Frontier well enough without having seen the original, right? The others work the same way. So even though they are all in the same timeline (other than Macross 2), you can watch them in whatever order you want. But the actual timeline would go something like Zero->Macross/DYRL->Plus->7->Frontier. There is 28 years between DYRL and Plus, 33 years between DYRL and 7, 47 between DYRL and Frontier, and 80 years between DYRL and 2. | ||
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On December 06 2011 18:57 Sentenal wrote: Macross Plus, as was mentioned, is really good. Its like Macross+Top Gun. The original Macross is a classic up there with MSG, except SDF Macross actually aged a million times better than it has IMO. Its technically my favorite anime of all time. Macross DYRL (Do You Remember Love?) is a good movie version retelling of the original. Really good animation and music in it. Macross 7 is love it or hate it, apparently. I've never seen it. It is really heavy on the music. Like, really heavy on music. They actually fight battles by playing the guitar/singing while also piloting a Valkyrie at the same time. Macross 2 is ok. It is considered AU. It takes place after the original, but goes off on its own timeline apart from the other shows. It has some really cool battles, good animation, cool mechs. I guess plot wise it isn't bad, but its not up to par with the original, thats for sure. Never seen Macross Zero, also haven't heard much about it, other than apparently it has good dogfights. Another thing to keep in mind, is every story within Macross is virtually self contained. You understood Frontier well enough without having seen the original, right? The others work the same way. So even though they are all in the same timeline (other than Macross 2), you can watch them in whatever order you want. But the actual timeline would go something like Zero->Macross/DYRL->Plus->7->Frontier. There is 28 years between DYRL and Plus, 33 years between DYRL and 7, 47 between DYRL and Frontier, and 80 years between DYRL and 2. to elaborate in Macross 7, the MC uses musical instruments to fly his modified mech. e.g Nekki's guitar is his control system. I didnt like it personally but if you enjoy the music youll like it. + Youll enjoy the referencing to the original Macross + Movies if youve seen them before. Not a big deal to watch them first but recommended personally. As for Zero its a short prequel to SDF and some of the characters that are responsible for events or situations in Frontier (but arent actually main characters) have some stories fleshed out. Or well A character. | ||
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