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Canada4481 Posts
On September 28 2011 12:14 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:45 SheaR619 wrote:On September 28 2011 08:51 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 08:27 Blasterion wrote:On September 28 2011 08:24 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 08:21 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:23 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 28 2011 05:42 Ferrose wrote:On September 28 2011 04:32 Latham wrote:
Any good subber group declared/claimed Ika Musume 2 already? FFPeeps is doing season 2 again, so I'm sticking with them. FFFpeeps is the only fansubs Ill ever use for Ika Musume. They did a good job with Season 1, and theyre doing a good job with Season 2. They dont add the stupid "squiddy" puns into the subs, like Horriblesubs/KindaHorriblesubs does. The whole show is about a little squid girl who wants to take over the world, and you don't like squiddy puns? I dont like to have to read it 100 times during a single episode. Hearing the "gesu" straight from Ika-chan is better than having to read it EVERY SINGLE TIME she says it. I haven't actually watched Ika Musume, but what is "gesu"? Is that the squid pun thing in japanese? So basically, you wanted a translation that DOESN'T accurately represent what she said? yes degeso is literarily squidpun to go with everything she says, So whats wrong with putting that into the subs? Don't complain about the subs, complain about the japanese dialogue. I swear, when people don't actually understand what words mean, they just assume the writing is perfect, and its the subs that are at fault. Anyway, question! Which Mobile Suit is superior? Wing Zero or the Double X Gundam? Wing Zero: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/pTbZ8.jpg) http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/xxxg-00w0.htmWing Zero is known for 2 things. 1 is its Twin Buster Rifle, which has enormous firepower, and was shown to be capable of destroying a colony in one shot. The other is its Zero system, which is basically an advanced battle system that made people go craze. It also performed well in close combat as well, allowing Heero to defeat the close-combat oriented Epyon in a 1v1 duel. Aside from its Twin Buster Rifle, it only had IIRC 2 machine guns on its shoulder, and 2 beam sabers. Gundam Double X: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/t837z.jpg) http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/x/gx-9901-dx.htmGundam X, its predecessor, was known for one thing. Its giant Satellite Cannon, which was shown capable of taking down space colonies (and is largely responsible for Gundam X's setting). The DX comes with not one, but TWO Satellite Cannons, and each one is upgraded. This basically made the DX a mobile Colony Laser. All that firepower has a catch, since it requires to receive a Microwave beam from the Moon in order to charge the cannons for a shot. The DX is heavy armored, 2 large Beam Sabers, and a rifle. MAHQ called it a "buster rifle", but the rifle it used was essentially a beam rifle standard on most Gundams. The DX did not have the Flash System that the GX had. It might be interesting to throw the GX itself in there too, if you include the G-bits, but that kinda isn't fair lol Wing Zero. Simply because you dont need the firepower to destroy a entire colony, you just need the firepower to destroy gundam. Thus the Wing Zero is virtually superior and more versatile than the Double X in all aspects. Simply put, the double X is a glass cannon and would crumble under the Wing Zero might. EDIT: God that Beach Miku is so damn moe! :O Double EDIT due to Freezing mad updating lately: God I fucking love Chiffon Fairchild. Superior in all aspects? It has a better combat computer, less armor, and less armament. Consider the following: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jTfLq.png)
I personally think Wing Zero would win, partly because I've never seen Gundam X, or know how strong the pilot is as well.
Regarding each Gundam's 1 shot kill, it's just that, 1 shot kill, if either of those Gundams were hit once by either's attack, they're done for.
That said, I believe Wing Zero's twin buster rifle has the slight edge because it is more mobile and is not dependant on the moon to power it. It can also mount the buster rifle on the shield arm, and beam saber on the right. Judging by the 1 video I saw of the satellite cannon in action (probably not the right one either), if the Wing Zero was dumb enough to have stood there to take that blast, the comparison shouldn't even be made.
In Gundam vs. Gundam combat, the result will be determined in beam saber combat. I don't know how much better "hyper beam swords" are compared to a regular beam saber that the Wing Zero has, if it's anything like the Epyon's sword, then it doesn't make too big a difference.
Armor wise, Wing Zero is made of gundanium (which is suppose to be super strong), while the DX is made of lunar titanium alloy. If that's anything like the regular titanium alloy used by the Leo/Aries up to Taurus mobile suits, then I would say Wing Zero has the better armor materials.
Comparing combat computers, the ZERO system only makes the pilot go mad if they're incapable of handling the system (ie. everyone in Gundam Wing except Heero and Zechs). With Heero piloting it, the ZERO system decreases Heero's already ridiculously fast reaction times and provides real-time tactical suggestions during combat which would give it the advantage in 1 on 1 fights. From what I've read, I don't think the DX has any sort of combat computer system like the flash system the GX had.
So, after re-reading what others have said while I was typing this, this wasn't a "who would win fight", but who's better overall...
Probably DX, since once Wing Zero is disarmed of it's buster rifle, all it can really do is shoot a machine gun and slice you in half with a beam saber, while the DX still has a couple more armaments in case its satellite cannon was disarmed.
Also, I think the DX's satellite cannons might do less damage overall because from the looks of it, Wing Zero's twin buster rifle looks to have a much faster rate of fire than the satellite cannons, and even those shots can deal massive aoe damage.
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On September 28 2011 11:45 SheaR619 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 08:51 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 08:27 Blasterion wrote:On September 28 2011 08:24 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 08:21 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:23 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 28 2011 05:42 Ferrose wrote:On September 28 2011 04:32 Latham wrote:
Any good subber group declared/claimed Ika Musume 2 already? FFPeeps is doing season 2 again, so I'm sticking with them. FFFpeeps is the only fansubs Ill ever use for Ika Musume. They did a good job with Season 1, and theyre doing a good job with Season 2. They dont add the stupid "squiddy" puns into the subs, like Horriblesubs/KindaHorriblesubs does. The whole show is about a little squid girl who wants to take over the world, and you don't like squiddy puns? I dont like to have to read it 100 times during a single episode. Hearing the "gesu" straight from Ika-chan is better than having to read it EVERY SINGLE TIME she says it. I haven't actually watched Ika Musume, but what is "gesu"? Is that the squid pun thing in japanese? So basically, you wanted a translation that DOESN'T accurately represent what she said? yes degeso is literarily squidpun to go with everything she says, So whats wrong with putting that into the subs? Don't complain about the subs, complain about the japanese dialogue. I swear, when people don't actually understand what words mean, they just assume the writing is perfect, and its the subs that are at fault. Anyway, question! Which Mobile Suit is superior? Wing Zero or the Double X Gundam? Wing Zero: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/xxxg-00w0.htmWing Zero is known for 2 things. 1 is its Twin Buster Rifle, which has enormous firepower, and was shown to be capable of destroying a colony in one shot. The other is its Zero system, which is basically an advanced battle system that made people go craze. It also performed well in close combat as well, allowing Heero to defeat the close-combat oriented Epyon in a 1v1 duel. Aside from its Twin Buster Rifle, it only had IIRC 2 machine guns on its shoulder, and 2 beam sabers. Gundam Double X: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/x/gx-9901-dx.htmGundam X, its predecessor, was known for one thing. Its giant Satellite Cannon, which was shown capable of taking down space colonies (and is largely responsible for Gundam X's setting). The DX comes with not one, but TWO Satellite Cannons, and each one is upgraded. This basically made the DX a mobile Colony Laser. All that firepower has a catch, since it requires to receive a Microwave beam from the Moon in order to charge the cannons for a shot. The DX is heavy armored, 2 large Beam Sabers, and a rifle. MAHQ called it a "buster rifle", but the rifle it used was essentially a beam rifle standard on most Gundams. The DX did not have the Flash System that the GX had. It might be interesting to throw the GX itself in there too, if you include the G-bits, but that kinda isn't fair lol Wing Zero. Simply because you dont need the firepower to destroy a entire colony, you just need the firepower to destroy gundam. Thus the Wing Zero is virtually superior and more versatile than the Double X in all aspects. Simply put, the double X is a glass cannon and would crumble under the Wing Zero might. EDIT: God that Beach Miku is so damn moe! :O Double EDIT due to Freezing mad updating lately: God I fucking love Chiffon Fairchild.
I guess you havent watched Ika Musume season 1. By FFFpeeps. Its not about complaining about the subs or dialogue, its about not having to read "squiddy" every single line Ika-chan says something. We can hear the "de gesu" from her speech, we dont have to read it. t.t
The other problem that other subbers have with Ika Musume, is that they actually translate "Ika-chan" into "Squid girl"...
Seriously? SERIOUSLY?... *facepalm*
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Canada4481 Posts
On September 28 2011 13:22 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 28 2011 11:45 SheaR619 wrote:On September 28 2011 08:51 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 08:27 Blasterion wrote:On September 28 2011 08:24 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 08:21 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 28 2011 06:23 Sentenal wrote:On September 28 2011 06:20 Emnjay808 wrote:On September 28 2011 05:42 Ferrose wrote:On September 28 2011 04:32 Latham wrote:
Any good subber group declared/claimed Ika Musume 2 already? FFPeeps is doing season 2 again, so I'm sticking with them. FFFpeeps is the only fansubs Ill ever use for Ika Musume. They did a good job with Season 1, and theyre doing a good job with Season 2. They dont add the stupid "squiddy" puns into the subs, like Horriblesubs/KindaHorriblesubs does. The whole show is about a little squid girl who wants to take over the world, and you don't like squiddy puns? I dont like to have to read it 100 times during a single episode. Hearing the "gesu" straight from Ika-chan is better than having to read it EVERY SINGLE TIME she says it. I haven't actually watched Ika Musume, but what is "gesu"? Is that the squid pun thing in japanese? So basically, you wanted a translation that DOESN'T accurately represent what she said? yes degeso is literarily squidpun to go with everything she says, So whats wrong with putting that into the subs? Don't complain about the subs, complain about the japanese dialogue. I swear, when people don't actually understand what words mean, they just assume the writing is perfect, and its the subs that are at fault. Anyway, question! Which Mobile Suit is superior? Wing Zero or the Double X Gundam? Wing Zero: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/xxxg-00w0.htmWing Zero is known for 2 things. 1 is its Twin Buster Rifle, which has enormous firepower, and was shown to be capable of destroying a colony in one shot. The other is its Zero system, which is basically an advanced battle system that made people go craze. It also performed well in close combat as well, allowing Heero to defeat the close-combat oriented Epyon in a 1v1 duel. Aside from its Twin Buster Rifle, it only had IIRC 2 machine guns on its shoulder, and 2 beam sabers. Gundam Double X: http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/x/gx-9901-dx.htmGundam X, its predecessor, was known for one thing. Its giant Satellite Cannon, which was shown capable of taking down space colonies (and is largely responsible for Gundam X's setting). The DX comes with not one, but TWO Satellite Cannons, and each one is upgraded. This basically made the DX a mobile Colony Laser. All that firepower has a catch, since it requires to receive a Microwave beam from the Moon in order to charge the cannons for a shot. The DX is heavy armored, 2 large Beam Sabers, and a rifle. MAHQ called it a "buster rifle", but the rifle it used was essentially a beam rifle standard on most Gundams. The DX did not have the Flash System that the GX had. It might be interesting to throw the GX itself in there too, if you include the G-bits, but that kinda isn't fair lol Wing Zero. Simply because you dont need the firepower to destroy a entire colony, you just need the firepower to destroy gundam. Thus the Wing Zero is virtually superior and more versatile than the Double X in all aspects. Simply put, the double X is a glass cannon and would crumble under the Wing Zero might. EDIT: God that Beach Miku is so damn moe! :O Double EDIT due to Freezing mad updating lately: God I fucking love Chiffon Fairchild. I guess you havent watched Ika Musume season 1. By FFFpeeps. Its not about complaining about the subs or dialogue, its about not having to read "squiddy" every single line Ika-chan says something. We can hear the "de gesu" from her speech, we dont have to read it. t.t The other problem that other subbers have with Ika Musume, is that they actually translate "Ika-chan" into "Squid girl"... Seriously? SERIOUSLY?... *facepalm*
When you're complaining about having to read "squiddy", then you're complaining about the subs. You might benefit from reading it since you clearly cannot hear her speech properly because she says "de-geso", not "de-gesu".
Some viewers might not be able to pick up the fact that she's not speaking in proper Japanese, and crunchyroll's subs reflect that. By subbing it in proper Japanese, you're basically saying she doesn't have any of those squid nuances, and that that's how normal Japanese people talk.
Also, not sure what it was in season 1, but crunchyroll/horrible subs translate Ika-chan as Squiddy, not Squid Girl, so could just be other subs. nevermind, just other subs.
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That said, I believe Wing Zero's twin buster rifle has the slight edge because it is more mobile and is not dependant on the moon to power it. It can also mount the buster rifle on the shield arm, and beam saber on the right. Judging by the 1 video I saw of the satellite cannon in action (probably not the right one either), if the Wing Zero was dumb enough to have stood there to take that blast, the comparison shouldn't even be made.
Well, thats the GX, the Double X's original, but yeah, there is a charge up time to offset its power. However, the DX doesn't even need to be even close to melee range to use it. As you can see from the picture I posted, the WIDTH of the beam is 2.5kms. That isn't range, that is how fat the beam is. In theory, the DX could shell the Wing Zero with a beam attack from hundreds of miles away, and leaves very little room for dodging considering how fat the beam itself is.
Armor wise, Wing Zero is made of gundanium (which is suppose to be super strong), while the DX is made of lunar titanium alloy. If that's anything like the regular titanium alloy used by the Leo/Aries up to Taurus mobile suits, then I would say Wing Zero has the better armor materials.
Gundanium is just like a material exclusive to Wing. All Gundams are made out of Lunar Titanium Alloy in UC, for example (they actually use Gundanium and Lunar Titanium Alloy interchangably sometimes). The real issue here is that the DX's armor nullifies the Wing Zero's machine gun, which means that it can only rely on the Twin Buster Rifle, or Beam Saber. Additionally, the DX still has a normal beam rifle, that is useful many situations, and beams have been shown effective vs Gundanium. In the event that they actually aren't the same thing, which may be true, Titanium is alot easier to come by than Gundanium, which would lead to better production and/or easier to repair/rebuild.
In a 1v1 battle between them, the Wing Zero would probably win, or at least have the advantage, due to the Zero System would make good pilots even better, giving it the edge. But there are few who can handle it, while Garrod is just a guy who made a humble living hijacking mobile suits with home-made flashbangs and a pistol (so pretty much anyone could handle it, its not like Wing suits that require certain types). But in a Gundam vs Gundam fight, it honestly comes down to who the pilots are, and plot. Like if you put someone like Yazan in the DX vs Heero, you would get something completely different than like, a Gundam 00 pilot in the DX vs Heero.
As for rate of fire, I'm actually not sure how they stack up. Heero never really fired the thing THAT fast in Wing. There are plenty of moments where its implied that it can't be fired rapidly, such as the climatic moments of Wing and Endless Waltz where he takes his time to make sure he hits the first time, and not miss. The DX basically can fire it probably every minute or so.
Another draw back on how "good" the DX is, is that it wouldn't be able to be mass produced in its current form due to plot. Unlike the original GX, which could and was mass produced, and simply required a Newtype.
The GX, with its G-bits, would savagely beat both machines easy lol. G-bits are basically like Funnels, except instead of just remote control lasers that fly around, they are remote controlled mobile suits with the same equipment as the main unit. So GX+G-bits could easily be like 11 vs 1, and isn't fair lol
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Canada4481 Posts
On September 28 2011 14:23 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +That said, I believe Wing Zero's twin buster rifle has the slight edge because it is more mobile and is not dependant on the moon to power it. It can also mount the buster rifle on the shield arm, and beam saber on the right. Judging by the 1 video I saw of the satellite cannon in action (probably not the right one either), if the Wing Zero was dumb enough to have stood there to take that blast, the comparison shouldn't even be made. Well, thats the GX, the Double X's original, but yeah, there is a charge up time to offset its power. However, the DX doesn't even need to be even close to melee range to use it. As you can see from the picture I posted, the WIDTH of the beam is 2.5kms. That isn't range, that is how fat the beam is. In theory, the DX could shell the Wing Zero with a beam attack from hundreds of miles away, and leaves very little room for dodging considering how fat the beam itself is.
I think it would be slightly easier to dodge if farther away, than at point-blank range. Don't know about the thrust power of Wing Zero, if it can actually move fast enough to dodge or not. But yeah I admit it'll still be pretty difficult to dodge a 2.5km fat beam of death.
On September 28 2011 14:23 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +Armor wise, Wing Zero is made of gundanium (which is suppose to be super strong), while the DX is made of lunar titanium alloy. If that's anything like the regular titanium alloy used by the Leo/Aries up to Taurus mobile suits, then I would say Wing Zero has the better armor materials. Gundanium is just like a material exclusive to Wing. All Gundams are made out of Lunar Titanium Alloy in UC, for example (they actually use Gundanium and Lunar Titanium Alloy interchangably sometimes). The real issue here is that the DX's armor nullifies the Wing Zero's machine gun, which means that it can only rely on the Twin Buster Rifle, or Beam Saber. Additionally, the DX still has a normal beam rifle, that is useful many situations, and beams have been shown effective vs Gundanium. In the event that they actually aren't the same thing, which may be true, Titanium is alot easier to come by than Gundanium, which would lead to better production and/or easier to repair/rebuild.
Sometimes I don't even know why they use the machine guns in vs. Gundam fights. It's supposed to be used for point-defense, not shooting at other Gundams. Wing Zero and Epyon constantly used it vs. each other dealing no significant damage to each other, doesn't even scratch the paint. It was also used in Endless Waltz, and did no actual damage either. It is only useful for killing cannon fodder units, and + Show Spoiler [gundam wing] +blowing up reactors plummeting towards Earth, provided you didn't waste the ammo firing at Epyon.
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Can't read it at school. zzz
Also make posts about the other ones when their chapters come out.
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+ Show Spoiler +yea be a dick to the poor little girl because of your own skeletons. Who you only kept out of pity. Thats just wrong.
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On September 29 2011 01:22 Rebs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +yea be a dick to the poor little girl because of your own skeletons. Who you only kept out of pity. Thats just wrong.
heh it's one of the driving elements of the story
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On September 29 2011 01:36 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 01:22 Rebs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +yea be a dick to the poor little girl because of your own skeletons. Who you only kept out of pity. Thats just wrong. heh it's one of the driving elements of the story
+ Show Spoiler +yea just have to wait for the redemption bit. How and when it comes should be interesting
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On vulcans fixed to Gundams:
I believe the RX-78-2's 60mm vulcans were the first weapons ever used by a Gundam on TV. At the time they offered the benefits of being fixed, fast, replete with ammo, and sporting enough firepower to seriously deter enemies that were armored only with a steel alloy. I don't know enough to say much about whether fixed vulcans are consequential for later Gundams, but at the very least we can consider it a kind of tradition in Gundam design akin to the V-fin.
In a real life analogue, modern combat aircraft still carry vulcans. Compared to its WW2 predecessors, the F-22 is far less likely to strafe ground targets or get in vulcan dogfights deep within missile range, but it still carries a 20mm vulcan. I suppose when push comes to shove, there can be times when the vulcan is your last prayer.
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In Unicorn the vulcan is strong enough to damage Sinadju if struck.
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Why does Echo has the Fuurinkazan script as his sig?
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On September 29 2011 01:36 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 01:22 Rebs wrote:+ Show Spoiler +yea be a dick to the poor little girl because of your own skeletons. Who you only kept out of pity. Thats just wrong. heh it's one of the driving elements of the story
Thanks for the yuri fix. I did ask for more yuri didn't i?
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does anyone here actually know how to draw ?
maybe you could share with us how you learnt (to draw anime)
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Canada8033 Posts
On September 29 2011 01:57 EchOne wrote:
On vulcans fixed to Gundams:
I believe the RX-78-2's 60mm vulcans were the first weapons ever used by a Gundam on TV. At the time they offered the benefits of being fixed, fast, replete with ammo, and sporting enough firepower to seriously deter enemies that were armored only with a steel alloy. I don't know enough to say much about whether fixed vulcans are consequential for later Gundams, but at the very least we can consider it a kind of tradition in Gundam design akin to the V-fin.
In a real life analogue, modern combat aircraft still carry vulcans. Compared to its WW2 predecessors, the F-22 is far less likely to strafe ground targets or get in vulcan dogfights deep within missile range, but it still carries a 20mm vulcan. I suppose when push comes to shove, there can be times when the vulcan is your last prayer.
The reason why aircraft still have guns is because of past experience. During the Vietnam War, it was thought that missiles trumped guns purely because of range. Some planes during that era didn't even carry guns for that very reason. However, it soon became clear that there were still plenty of situations in which guns were useful, especially since the ROE in Vietnam was a clusterfuck.
The reason why the F-22 isn't likely to enter close-range dogfights is because of several factors: First, the existence of missiles and AWACS support mean that long range engagement is possible. Second, the era of balanced air warfare is practically over. The only air combat we really see these days is some western nation stomping on the old tech of various other countries. Since they're so severely outgunned, its highly unlikely that the enemies would even get close to entering their own missile range, let alone gun range.
However, the F-22 is touted as an air-superiority fighter. In an engagement between groups of similarly matched craft, there are two possibilities: The first is that both sides fire missiles immediately upon entering their effective envelope, then retreat to attempt evasion. The second is that one or both sides continue to charge in after firing in order to press the advantage and/or to degrade the engagement into a furball. In this case, guns become very important, as bullets are more reliable than their missile counterparts at this range.
And that is why the F-22 has a Vulcan.
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My thoughts on what I've read and watched this past week:
Usagi Drop - Manga
+ Show Spoiler +I finally finished the manga and was totally cut off guard my Rin liking Daikichi. Obviously I noticed the few chapters before hand with Rin blushing and thinking a lot about Daikichi, but still...I love how they don't even need to court/date each other and immediately start talking about marriage and having babies.
K-On! - Anime
+ Show Spoiler +I just started, and they are sooo cute! ^///^ For some reason, this anime is motivating me to study more. Or it might just be that I failed a Calculus exam.
Gantz - Manga
+ Show Spoiler +So crazy. At first, I was disappointed that the aliens they were fighting against in the first 100 or so chapter did not look like aliens at all. A giant Buddha, really!? And I was felt sad that all of the characters except for the MC pretty much died. But the alien invasion was cool. Are the vampires aliens too or what? And what happened to those 2 samurai vampires?
Kimi no Iru Machi - Manga
+ Show Spoiler +This has gone out of control. Too much trolling from the mangaka. Why do we even have this story arc? Just finish up the manga already!
Mahou Sensei Negima! - Manga
+ Show Spoiler +Terraforming Mars, seriously? What kind of brilliant plan is that? And isn't this going to expose the entire magical world to humans? What happened to the threat of being turned into ermines? Still my favorite manga though.
Tsubasa: Reservoir Chronicles - Manga
+ Show Spoiler +So complicated. All of the plot twists, back stories, and "just as planned" schemes made me so confused at first. It was still a nice manga though. I like CLAMP a lot.
Freezin - Manga
+ Show Spoiler +Things have gotten interesting and the uber upload was nice too!
And I've decked out my desktop with Madoka wallpapers...
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On September 29 2011 11:43 NationInArms wrote:
And I've decked out my desktop with Madoka wallpapers...
Pics please.
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