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On October 11 2013 02:00 AsnSensation wrote:
It's safe to assume Arlong got considerably weaker while sitting on his fat ass in East Blue for 8 years. Since he was a topdog of the sun Pirates while roaming Grandline I think he was a lot stronger back then. During Nami Arc he looked like he couldn't even handle Mr5 & higher
Arlong would have stomped anyone up to Mr. 1. He would have probably been a threat to even Crocodile if they had a fight near the sea (although I'm pretty sure Crocodile would win even then).
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On October 11 2013 03:36 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 02:00 AsnSensation wrote:
It's safe to assume Arlong got considerably weaker while sitting on his fat ass in East Blue for 8 years. Since he was a topdog of the sun Pirates while roaming Grandline I think he was a lot stronger back then. During Nami Arc he looked like he couldn't even handle Mr5 & higher Arlong would have stomped anyone up to Mr. 1. He would have probably been a threat to even Crocodile if they had a fight near the sea (although I'm pretty sure Crocodile would win even then).
You think Crocodile... who lost to Luffy solely because of water... would win a fight against a Fishman near the water? I don't understand the logic there.
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On October 11 2013 03:38 Serejai wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 03:36 Sentenal wrote:On October 11 2013 02:00 AsnSensation wrote:
It's safe to assume Arlong got considerably weaker while sitting on his fat ass in East Blue for 8 years. Since he was a topdog of the sun Pirates while roaming Grandline I think he was a lot stronger back then. During Nami Arc he looked like he couldn't even handle Mr5 & higher Arlong would have stomped anyone up to Mr. 1. He would have probably been a threat to even Crocodile if they had a fight near the sea (although I'm pretty sure Crocodile would win even then). You think Crocodile... who lost to Luffy solely because of water... would win a fight against a Fishman near the water? I don't understand the logic there.
Near water doesn't mean it has to be IN water. See Luffy vs Arlong.
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Crocodile cannot fight IN water.
He is DF user hahaha. It is like default win for Arlong
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On October 11 2013 03:55 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Crocodile cannot fight IN water.
He is DF user hahaha. It is like default win for Arlong
seawater*
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On October 11 2013 03:59 agahamsorr0w wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 03:55 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
Crocodile cannot fight IN water.
He is DF user hahaha. It is like default win for Arlong seawater*
For Crocodile it is actually just water.
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Water in general hardens Crocodile, but you guys are also forgetting he has the ability to suck out moisture and dry up water, as well. Its not like the existence of water makes Crocodile auto-lose or something lol
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Exact words are important. "Near" is not the same as "in" and Sentenal's statement is fine. Crocodile was still quite effective while attacking a marine battleship right after escaping Impel Down. He was literally on the water. Crocodile was also somewhat effective during the Marineford war. Again, he was right on frozen water and surrounded by a huge amount of water. In both cases, he was near water.
If he could catch Arlong out of the water (like on a ship's deck), he would likely be able to dry Arlong up with one touch and that's normally a death sentence (hence why Crocodile walks away from Luffy after doing it... people aren't supposed to survive it). The only way Arlong would beat Crocodile is by staying in the water and eventually getting Crocodile to fall in.
And yes, I agree with Incognoto. Zeff (Sanji's chef teacher) pretty much said it explicitly when Luffy fought Don Krieg. Luffy has a single spear that's more powerful than all of Krieg's weapons. That spear is his willpower and it will overcome powerful enemies who lack it. Over time, that willpower seems to have manifested itself as Haki and only those with strong enough will are able to use it.
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On October 08 2013 23:26 flamewheel wrote:
Good chapter. I like the simplicity of the ito ito fruit. Law won't be dying
Best part is Isshou casually eating noodles
and that munching effect really was soo funny.
Also Chopper's scene is hilarious: A giant ship, and dofla, and comets too &.& these small things really make it and deliver for me.
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I disagree in Arlong being that strong.
Luffy handled him quite easily actually. He even clowned around and got a set of teeth from Arlong and tried to bite him.
He was just trapped under water for half the confrontation though.
The series made a point out of at least Zoro training constantly in order to become stronger. So saying that Arlong was strong enough to beat Crocodile at the time Luffy beat him is very far fetched(if we ignore that fishmen may or may not use water out of their body as a weapon).
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On October 11 2013 05:27 Mataza wrote:
I disagree in Arlong being that strong.
Luffy handled him quite easily actually. He even clowned around and got a set of teeth from Arlong and tried to bite him.
He was just trapped under water for half the confrontation though.
The series made a point out of at least Zoro training constantly in order to become stronger. So saying that Arlong was strong enough to beat Crocodile at the time Luffy beat him is very far fetched(if we ignore that fishmen may or may not use water out of their body as a weapon).
Luffy clowns around with almost everyone, but if you think that fight was easy, you should go reread it.
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I think Arlong would certainly give Crocodile a run for his money but ultimately would lose considering Crocodile WAS a shichibukai.
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On October 11 2013 05:27 Mataza wrote:
I disagree in Arlong being that strong.
Luffy handled him quite easily actually. He even clowned around and got a set of teeth from Arlong and tried to bite him.
He was just trapped under water for half the confrontation though.
The series made a point out of at least Zoro training constantly in order to become stronger. So saying that Arlong was strong enough to beat Crocodile at the time Luffy beat him is very far fetched(if we ignore that fishmen may or may not use water out of their body as a weapon).
Luffy took some serious damage against him compare to Mr.3 who he beat without taking a scratch
also Arlong was able to make Zoro and Sanji look like chumps
Arlong is probably between Mr.1 and Croc in terms of power, i dont think he could beat croc but anyone below croc he could
he even joked around with Croc (water luffy)
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Arlong did not make Zoro look like a chump. In fact, he was actually amazed/scared of how Zoro was able to keep fighting with the wound he received from Mihawk and wanted to kill off Zoro. Evidence (read page 10 & 11):
http://www.mangareader.net/103-2196-10/one-piece/chapter-89.html
EDIT: I hate these hypothetical who's stronger than who discussions and I don't have any intention of joining in but I can't stand people pulling facts outta their arses either.
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On October 11 2013 11:48 maggle wrote:Arlong did not make Zoro look like a chump. In fact, he was actually amazed/scared of how Zoro was able to keep fighting with the wound he received from Mihawk and wanted to kill off Zoro. Evidence (read page 10 & 11): http://www.mangareader.net/103-2196-10/one-piece/chapter-89.htmlEDIT: I hate these hypothetical who's stronger than who discussions and I don't have any intention of joining in but I can't stand people pulling facts outta their arses either.
he wasnt scared, he was amazed that Zoro could move with those wounds but wasnt really scared jsut cautious
Arlong took both of them down without taking one hit (except the time he let Zoro hit his nose) just by throwing water
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On October 11 2013 12:11 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 11:48 maggle wrote:Arlong did not make Zoro look like a chump. In fact, he was actually amazed/scared of how Zoro was able to keep fighting with the wound he received from Mihawk and wanted to kill off Zoro. Evidence (read page 10 & 11): http://www.mangareader.net/103-2196-10/one-piece/chapter-89.htmlEDIT: I hate these hypothetical who's stronger than who discussions and I don't have any intention of joining in but I can't stand people pulling facts outta their arses either. he wasnt scared, he was amazed that Zoro could move with those wounds but wasnt really scared jsut cautious Arlong took both of them down without taking one hit (except the time he let Zoro hit his nose) just by throwing water
I don't know if we're reading the same thing here. Arlong says "I have to kill him right here, right now!" & "I can't afford to let this man live!". Scared may not be the most accurate word here but from those two lines alone, it's pretty clear that Arlong is extremely intimidated by Zoro. So yeah, I wouldn't call that Arlong making Zoro look like a chump.
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On October 11 2013 12:31 maggle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2013 12:11 Forikorder wrote:On October 11 2013 11:48 maggle wrote:Arlong did not make Zoro look like a chump. In fact, he was actually amazed/scared of how Zoro was able to keep fighting with the wound he received from Mihawk and wanted to kill off Zoro. Evidence (read page 10 & 11): http://www.mangareader.net/103-2196-10/one-piece/chapter-89.htmlEDIT: I hate these hypothetical who's stronger than who discussions and I don't have any intention of joining in but I can't stand people pulling facts outta their arses either. he wasnt scared, he was amazed that Zoro could move with those wounds but wasnt really scared jsut cautious Arlong took both of them down without taking one hit (except the time he let Zoro hit his nose) just by throwing water I don't know if we're reading the same thing here. Arlong says "I have to kill him right here, right now!" & "I can't afford to let this man live!". Scared may not be the most accurate word here but from those two lines alone, it's pretty clear that Arlong is extremely intimidated by Zoro. So yeah, I wouldn't call that Arlong making Zoro look like a chump.
he looked into his eyes and thought "these arent the eyes of a dead man" so decided he needed to finish it fast before something happened and he got away
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Lol, I cannot believe how you could possibly interpret that dialogue as "I need to finish this fast before something happens and he gets away". Your logic and arguments are once again, flawless Forikorder. I concede.
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On October 11 2013 12:42 maggle wrote:
Lol, I cannot believe how you could possibly interpret that dialogue as "I need to finish this fast before something happens and he gets away". Your logic and arguments are once again, flawless Forikorder. I concede.
well considering BECAUSE hesitated something happened and he got away seems like a valid fear
he had Zoro in his hands, Zoro was covered in wounds why would Arlong be afraid? he never showed an ounce of fear once the entire arc
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He was intimidated. He said "I cannot afford to let him live", indicating that it'd be bad for him if Zoro did live. Now, how would that be bad? Because Zoro would come back to whoop his ass. He wasn't intimidated by zoro in his weakened state, he was scared of how strong he could potentially be if he was healthy
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