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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 10 2013 03:51 AsnSensation wrote: just remember how mad Big Mum got when she didnt get her monthly candy and now imagine a guy called "kaidou of the thousand beasts" getting his supply if Zoan Devil Fruits cut :D especially if he decides that DD is just holding out and selling to someone else | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On October 09 2013 23:43 Mataza wrote: Obviously murder out of love. Just kidding. I am pretty sure Doflamingo is the first to care for his underlings. It could be that Blackbeard does too, but we don't know yet. BB 100% cares about his crew. His personality is mirrored in Luffy's in that he seeks out adventure, is extremely silly at times, and often needs massive crew support to make up for his flaws. I don't think we've ever seen him talk down to any of them. He is cruel in some ways but believes in some sense of fairness---even offers a chance for Ace to join him rather than kill him/turn him in. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On October 10 2013 06:51 Sentenal wrote: Think of how big things could get if both Kaidou and Big Mom show up this arc, both pissed off at DD and Luffy respectively. Won't happen. There is such a thing as having too much going on at once, even though One Piece straddles the line of chaos, it's never fallen to Bleach levels where it's like "Look I know there are like 10 fights going on that are important, but I've still got 5 full page panels of people standing still without speaking to show you!" If any Yonkou shows up it'll be too much whilst this is all going on. Like, there are heaps of marines (admiral and at least 2 VAs), half of Doflamingo's crew hasn't even been introduced properly yet, dwarves, Law vs Dofla, Barty, Cabbagedesh, tenryuubito-stuff/CP0, kingriku bloodline vs Doflamingo bloodline, toy creation, smile factory, mera mera fruit, samurai-mini-arc, etcetcetc. This is honestly already the most chaotic arc in One Piece. I'm expecting big things with the current mix. Stop trying to put a Yonkou in everything, people are interesting otherwise =S | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On October 10 2013 07:42 bittman wrote: Won't happen. There is such a thing as having too much going on at once, even though One Piece straddles the line of chaos, it's never fallen to Bleach levels where it's like "Look I know there are like 10 fights going on that are important, but I've still got 5 full page panels of people standing still without speaking to show you!" If any Yonkou shows up it'll be too much whilst this is all going on. Like, there are heaps of marines (admiral and at least 2 VAs), half of Doflamingo's crew hasn't even been introduced properly yet, dwarves, Law vs Dofla, Barty, Cabbagedesh, tenryuubito-stuff/CP0, kingriku bloodline vs Doflamingo bloodline, toy creation, smile factory, mera mera fruit, samurai-mini-arc, etcetcetc. This is honestly already the most chaotic arc in One Piece. I'm expecting big things with the current mix. Stop trying to put a Yonkou in everything, people are interesting otherwise =S One Piece already showed it could handle massive giant events like that with Marineford. All 3 Marine Admirals, every single Shichibukai, two Youkou and their crews, tons of infamous escapees from Impel Down, etc etc. Please don't compare Oda's level of writing to Kubo's, thats insulting. Both of those Youkou I've mentioned are key villains in the current plot. There is nothing wrong at all with expecting relevance from either or both of them in the current arc. Its almost like everyone has forgotten about Big Mom at this point with the talk of Kaidou. | ||
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DODswe4
Sweden2157 Posts
On October 10 2013 07:48 Sentenal wrote: One Piece already showed it could handle massive giant events like that with Marineford. All 3 Marine Admirals, every single Shichibukai, two Youkou and their crews, tons of infamous escapees from Impel Down, etc etc. Please don't compare Oda's level of writing to Kubo's, thats insulting. Both of those Youkou I've mentioned are key villains in the current plot. There is nothing wrong at all with expecting relevance from either or both of them in the current arc. Its almost like everyone has forgotten about Big Mom at this point with the talk of Kaidou. I hope this arc dosnt turn into such a huge battle, I like most of the arcs that came before marinefold better then marinefold. yes Oda can do it, dosn't mean he should. but we will see no matter what it will be interesting | ||
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terranghost
United States980 Posts
On October 09 2013 22:56 Big-t wrote: Is Dofla really the first arc boos who cares about his underlings? Tbh I can´t remember anyone who did care, but I don´t think Dofla is really the first one who shows feelings for his underlings. What kind of sense is this? I doubt it will save him from getting his ass kicked. Arlong cared alot for his subordinates in fact that was supposed to be the defining difference between him and Hody. Other than having strenght without having to take aging pills. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 10 2013 08:50 terranghost wrote: Arlong cared alot for his subordinates in fact that was supposed to be the defining difference between him and Hody. Other than having strenght without having to take aging pills. Arlong wasn't that strong really, he was just a hateful fishmen. Compared to Jimbei he was really bad. What was his bounty? 30m ? | ||
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Razhil
Belgium208 Posts
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Clearly a selfless protector. | ||
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Elerris
Australia137 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 10 2013 21:43 Mataza wrote: Didn't Buggy use one of his crewmen as shield when the he was attacked? Clearly a selfless protector. Plot holes within plot holes. One plot hole in the anime (that isn't the manga) is Zoro telling Luffy which way the marine base is (when they just met). | ||
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sumsaR
Sweden1812 Posts
On October 10 2013 22:21 Incognoto wrote: Plot holes within plot holes. One plot hole in the anime (that isn't the manga) is Zoro telling Luffy which way the marine base is (when they just met). That's not such a large plot hole. I could see Zoro telling him the way and then go the other direction himself. | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On October 10 2013 21:15 Incognoto wrote: Arlong wasn't that strong really, he was just a hateful fishmen. Compared to Jimbei he was really bad. What was his bounty? 30m ? Arlong was plenty strong, he just wasn't considered a big threat to the WG due to chilling in East Blue. He might not be top tier in strength, but he wasn't a pushover either. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 10 2013 23:21 Sentenal wrote: Arlong was plenty strong, he just wasn't considered a big threat to the WG due to chilling in East Blue. He might not be top tier in strength, but he wasn't a pushover either. its becuase he was associated with Jinbei i think | ||
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On October 11 2013 01:55 Forikorder wrote: its becuase he was associated with Jinbei i think What was? He was associated with Jinbei, but he was also chilling in East Blue, and no one important cares about East Blue. Bounties are threat levels, not power levels. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On October 11 2013 02:00 AsnSensation wrote: It's safe to assume Arlong got considerably weaker while sitting on his fat ass in East Blue for 8 years. Since he was a topdog of the sun Pirates while roaming Grandline I think he was a lot stronger back then. During Nami Arc he looked like he couldn't even handle Mr5 & higher hes probably the person who put up the biggest fight though until Crocodile Mr.3 was annoying but Luffy handled him easily enough, and he did manage to KO Sanji and Zoro and make it look easy as pie and those 2 went on to beat Mr. 1 and 2 | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On October 11 2013 02:02 Forikorder wrote: hes probably the person who put up the biggest fight though until Crocodile Mr.3 was annoying but Luffy handled him easily enough, and he did manage to KO Sanji and Zoro and make it look easy as pie and those 2 went on to beat Mr. 1 and 2 I would say that for each fight, win or lose, people get stronger. However if someone doesn't fight for a while, like Crocodile or Arlong, they get weaker. Arlong putting up a huge fight is also the impression I got, I felt he was the boss of East Blue. So I guess it's indeed possible. Strength may also come from force of will. What are you fighting for? I think that's also a big source of power in One Piece, it also makes sense when you think about it. Huge ass post to explain myself: Arlong was fighting to bully Nami and humans in general, wasn't he? That's a shitty reason to fight. What was Luffy fighting for? His navigator's well being. His nakama. Luffy's reason to fight was much more important to him than Arlong's reason to fight. So when they actually fought, Luffy won. Not only out of actual strength, but because he felt that at that moment, Luffy wanted Nami to be happy much more than Arlong wanted to bully humans. Let's look at Crocodile vs Luffy. Let's disregard actual physical strength for the time being and focus solely on the reason they're fighting. In their first confrontation, Crocodile stabs Luffy and then just leaves him to die/suffer. Luffy gets lucky and gets saved by Robin/Pell. Second fight, Crocodile dries up Luffy and Luffy once again gets lucky and absorbs the water he spat out beforehand. Third fight. Why is there even a third fight? What is the driving force that Luffy has that makes him return to fight someone who effortlessly defeated him twice? Luffy is fighting once again for his nakama. He's fighting for something that Vivi cares deeply about: her kingdom. Luffy's will to help Vivi was so important to him that he went and tried a 3rd time. This time Luffy wins. Why? Third time's the charm? When fighting a friggin' Sichibukai, "third time's the charm" doesn't quite cut it. Let's examine Crocodile. This poor guy has been working for quite a long time to obtain Pluton. Like, really, he put a LOT of work into that. After all that hard work, Robin tells him that Pluton can't be found. Even if he didn't believe Robin, he still attempted to kill her. This was obviously because he felt that the Robin/Poneglyph lead was a dud. So he's bummed out because all that work was for nothing and he didn't obtain Pluton. Luffy and Crocodile then fight. This time, Luffy's will to see Vivi be happy was much stronger than Crocodile's will. In fact, Crocodile had no will, all his will just evaporated when he realized that he his only lead on Pluton was a dud. Crocodile even said that he didn't care about being prison afterwards. Luffy beat Crocodile not only out of power, but also because Luffy's will was so ridiculously stronger than Crocodile's. This is further illustrated in Water 7 and Enies Lobby. Luffy and Zoro, in their first confrontation with CP9, were soundly beat. They were unsure of Robin's position and her possible betrayal. Their will was seriously shaken. Then they learn the true reason of Robin's "betrayal". All of a sudden, their will is fired up. When they fight CP9 the second time, they win, because their will towards Robin is stronger than CP9's will towards their job. You'll notice that Sanji wasn't there in the first confrontation with CP9 in the mansion (he did fight them later but w/e). Sanji being Sanji, he would never have doubted Robin, so his will wouldn't have wavered like Luffy's or Zoro's. Convenient, n'est-ce pas, Oda? TL;DR: If your reason to fight is better than your opponent's, it procures a pretty huge bonus which can help tip the scales. | ||
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