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On August 10 2013 10:00 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 09:55 DODswe4 wrote:On August 10 2013 09:51 sc2holar wrote:
He wasnt holding back, he wanted to test "the difference between the whitebeard pirates and himself". The third division commander was enough to stop his slash. Doflamingo on the other hand was able to toy around with Jozu.
The point is, most powerful characters in OP dont even use a sword and wont engage him in a swordfight. So the Title doesnt mean that much.
He is probably "Mid Tier" strong, like all schichibukai. Stronger than other pirates but weaker than the admirals and the yonkos. Except we kinda know that he will be the end boss for Zoro and most strong people dont use a sword/weapon? whitebeard shanks and rayleigh are not strong then I suppose Yet Whitebeard, Shanks and Rayleight are all stronger than Mihawk, despite his title as the strongest swordsman in the world. Kinda proves that swordsmanship is far from the most important aspect in a duell in one piece. Also, Whitebeard uses a Bisento, not a Sword.
Whitebeard was considered the most powerful man in the world, so I'll concede that he was stronger than Mihawk. However, Rayleigh is a swordsman and Mihawk is considered the strongest swordsman in the world. Unless that title assumed Rayleigh is dead or not actually a swordsman, then we would expect Mihawk to be more powerful than Rayleigh. That should tell you something of Mihawk's strength. Shanks and Mihawk used to duel but Mihawk decided it was no longer worth his time once Shanks lost one of his arms. Again, that should tell you a lot about Mihawk's strength.
As an individual fighter, Mihawk is right at the top of the world and never did anything more than toy around with people during the War of the Best. However, he doesn't seem to have or want any political power or a crew. He seems to be solely focused on being the best swordsman in the world while he awaits his successor. That's why he's so scary as a fighter, but is "only" a Shichibukai rather than a Yonko.
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On August 10 2013 11:30 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 10:00 sc2holar wrote:On August 10 2013 09:55 DODswe4 wrote:On August 10 2013 09:51 sc2holar wrote:
He wasnt holding back, he wanted to test "the difference between the whitebeard pirates and himself". The third division commander was enough to stop his slash. Doflamingo on the other hand was able to toy around with Jozu.
The point is, most powerful characters in OP dont even use a sword and wont engage him in a swordfight. So the Title doesnt mean that much.
He is probably "Mid Tier" strong, like all schichibukai. Stronger than other pirates but weaker than the admirals and the yonkos. Except we kinda know that he will be the end boss for Zoro and most strong people dont use a sword/weapon? whitebeard shanks and rayleigh are not strong then I suppose Yet Whitebeard, Shanks and Rayleight are all stronger than Mihawk, despite his title as the strongest swordsman in the world. Kinda proves that swordsmanship is far from the most important aspect in a duell in one piece. Also, Whitebeard uses a Bisento, not a Sword. Whitebeard was considered the most powerful man in the world, so I'll concede that he was stronger than Mihawk. However, Rayleigh is a swordsman and Mihawk is considered the strongest swordsman in the world. Unless that title assumed Rayleigh is dead or not actually a swordsman, then we would expect Mihawk to be more powerful than Rayleigh. That should tell you something of Mihawk's strength. Shanks and Mihawk used to duel but Mihawk decided it was no longer worth his time once Shanks lost one of his arms. Again, that should tell you a lot about Mihawk's strength. As an individual fighter, Mihawk is right at the top of the world and never did anything more than toy around with people during the War of the Best. However, he doesn't seem to have or want any political power or a crew. He seems to be solely focused on being the best swordsman in the world while he awaits his successor. That's why he's so scary as a fighter, but is "only" a Shichibukai rather than a Yonko.
Maybe Mihawk is the next generation of BEST swordsman.
The Dark king is the previous generation. Just passing down title, because retiring, getting old, coating ship ...
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Hate to burst your bubble since mihawk is a very charismatic character, but if mihawk was at admiral power level he would have had a much bigger impact at the whitebeard fight.
I still think that he has the highest swordsmanskill and in a onepiece world without deveilfruit, haki and willpower/inate strength he would be the strongest.
Any weapons in Onepiece just adds flavor to a persons power instead of power.
Thinking about how powerful luffy still has to become makes me think he need another timeskip ^^
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On August 10 2013 13:06 Teejing wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble since mihawk is a very charismatic character, but if mihawk was at admiral power level he would have had a much bigger impact at the whitebeard fight.
I still think that he has the highest swordsmanskill and in a onepiece world without deveilfruit, haki and willpower/inate strength he would be the strongest.
Any weapons in Onepiece just adds flavor to a persons power instead of power.
Thinking about how powerful luffy still has to become makes me think he need another timeskip ^^
It's debatable what his strength was during the marineford fight, but EoS Mihawk is definitely Admiral level. There's no way Zoro won't be that level by then. Mihawk's going to have to be the same or stronger to be a challenge.
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On August 10 2013 13:58 Dreamer.T wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 13:06 Teejing wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble since mihawk is a very charismatic character, but if mihawk was at admiral power level he would have had a much bigger impact at the whitebeard fight.
I still think that he has the highest swordsmanskill and in a onepiece world without deveilfruit, haki and willpower/inate strength he would be the strongest.
Any weapons in Onepiece just adds flavor to a persons power instead of power.
Thinking about how powerful luffy still has to become makes me think he need another timeskip ^^
It's debatable what his strength was during the marineford fight, but EoS Mihawk is definitely Admiral level. There's no way Zoro won't be that level by then. Mihawk's going to have to be the same or stronger to be a challenge.
Mihawk seems like the kind of guy whos spent so long pounding weaklings that hes forgotten how to get serious until someone (Zoro) woth his time apears
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On August 10 2013 13:06 Teejing wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble since mihawk is a very charismatic character, but if mihawk was at admiral power level he would have had a much bigger impact at the whitebeard fight.
I don't agree, Mihawk is simply a very reserved person. Just look at what he did. One attack on the Moby Dick to "measure the distance between us and that man", one attempt to kill Luffy to see whether or not Luffy would survive and then he spent the rest of the time having a friendly duel with Vista.
He just didn't care for the war, all he really cares about is being a swordsman.
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None of the Shichibukia actually made big impact on the outcome of the war.
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On August 10 2013 11:30 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 10:00 sc2holar wrote:On August 10 2013 09:55 DODswe4 wrote:On August 10 2013 09:51 sc2holar wrote:
He wasnt holding back, he wanted to test "the difference between the whitebeard pirates and himself". The third division commander was enough to stop his slash. Doflamingo on the other hand was able to toy around with Jozu.
The point is, most powerful characters in OP dont even use a sword and wont engage him in a swordfight. So the Title doesnt mean that much.
He is probably "Mid Tier" strong, like all schichibukai. Stronger than other pirates but weaker than the admirals and the yonkos. Except we kinda know that he will be the end boss for Zoro and most strong people dont use a sword/weapon? whitebeard shanks and rayleigh are not strong then I suppose Yet Whitebeard, Shanks and Rayleight are all stronger than Mihawk, despite his title as the strongest swordsman in the world. Kinda proves that swordsmanship is far from the most important aspect in a duell in one piece. Also, Whitebeard uses a Bisento, not a Sword. Whitebeard was considered the most powerful man in the world, so I'll concede that he was stronger than Mihawk. However, Rayleigh is a swordsman and Mihawk is considered the strongest swordsman in the world. Unless that title assumed Rayleigh is dead or not actually a swordsman, then we would expect Mihawk to be more powerful than Rayleigh. That should tell you something of Mihawk's strength. Shanks and Mihawk used to duel but Mihawk decided it was no longer worth his time once Shanks lost one of his arms. Again, that should tell you a lot about Mihawk's strength. As an individual fighter, Mihawk is right at the top of the world and never did anything more than toy around with people during the War of the Best. However, he doesn't seem to have or want any political power or a crew. He seems to be solely focused on being the best swordsman in the world while he awaits his successor. That's why he's so scary as a fighter, but is "only" a Shichibukai rather than a Yonko.
i dont think Rayleigh is supposed to be known to be alive. all of the people who met him are surprised hes still alive and also chinjao also expresses surprise when luffy mentions him
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On August 10 2013 18:05 rabidch wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2013 11:30 RenSC2 wrote:On August 10 2013 10:00 sc2holar wrote:On August 10 2013 09:55 DODswe4 wrote:On August 10 2013 09:51 sc2holar wrote:
He wasnt holding back, he wanted to test "the difference between the whitebeard pirates and himself". The third division commander was enough to stop his slash. Doflamingo on the other hand was able to toy around with Jozu.
The point is, most powerful characters in OP dont even use a sword and wont engage him in a swordfight. So the Title doesnt mean that much.
He is probably "Mid Tier" strong, like all schichibukai. Stronger than other pirates but weaker than the admirals and the yonkos. Except we kinda know that he will be the end boss for Zoro and most strong people dont use a sword/weapon? whitebeard shanks and rayleigh are not strong then I suppose Yet Whitebeard, Shanks and Rayleight are all stronger than Mihawk, despite his title as the strongest swordsman in the world. Kinda proves that swordsmanship is far from the most important aspect in a duell in one piece. Also, Whitebeard uses a Bisento, not a Sword. Whitebeard was considered the most powerful man in the world, so I'll concede that he was stronger than Mihawk. However, Rayleigh is a swordsman and Mihawk is considered the strongest swordsman in the world. Unless that title assumed Rayleigh is dead or not actually a swordsman, then we would expect Mihawk to be more powerful than Rayleigh. That should tell you something of Mihawk's strength. Shanks and Mihawk used to duel but Mihawk decided it was no longer worth his time once Shanks lost one of his arms. Again, that should tell you a lot about Mihawk's strength. As an individual fighter, Mihawk is right at the top of the world and never did anything more than toy around with people during the War of the Best. However, he doesn't seem to have or want any political power or a crew. He seems to be solely focused on being the best swordsman in the world while he awaits his successor. That's why he's so scary as a fighter, but is "only" a Shichibukai rather than a Yonko. i dont think Rayleigh is supposed to be known to be alive. all of the people who met him are surprised hes still alive and also chinjao also expresses surprise when luffy mentions him
The World thinks that every member of the Roger Pirates are dead along with Roger. The Marines know that hes alive and its hinted that he still has an active bounty but the world thinks him and the rest are dead.
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On August 10 2013 13:06 Teejing wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble since mihawk is a very charismatic character, but if mihawk was at admiral power level he would have had a much bigger impact at the whitebeard fight.
I still think that he has the highest swordsmanskill and in a onepiece world without deveilfruit, haki and willpower/inate strength he would be the strongest.
Any weapons in Onepiece just adds flavor to a persons power instead of power.
Thinking about how powerful luffy still has to become makes me think he need another timeskip ^^
So much bullshit in that post. By your logic we can now assume that Kong, the World Government Commander-in-Chief and former Fleet Admiral, is an absolutely irrelevant character in terms of fighting power in a world where high rank equals high fighting power. I say this because Kong made no difference whatsoever on the outcome of Marinefords fate.
It has been shown that Mihawk is the most reserved sofisticato in the world of One Piece, who never lifts a finger unless it is necessary. Furthermore it is almost certain that Mihawk is perfectly capable of using haki since he was unharmed by Vista, a Whitebeard division Commander.
And regarding Luffys current power level there is no way on earth to tell how strong he is. The only thing we know is that, unlike Dragonball, the is no absolute power levels. At this point the only thing that comes close to actual Dragonball power levels is the bounty on a persons head, but even bounties are very inaccurate.
There is simply no way of knowing a strong a person is, not only because people age and become weaker so that comparisons becomes more inaccurate, but also because some people have inherent advantages over specific fighting styles, but are weak to others. Just like Luffy was able to beat Enel at a time where he would most likely not have been able to beat someone who has gotten as strong as Enel without the help of a Devil fruit.
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Mihawk hasn't shown his full power whatsoever, he holds it back.. a gentleman if you would. Just look at his boat and the sword(dagger) he first used against Zoro. That's just a testament to who he is and how he 'conserves' his stature/power.
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Does anyone seriously think that Mihawk would stand a chance against Kizaru or Akainu in a duell...?
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On August 10 2013 22:02 sc2holar wrote:
Does anyone seriously think that Mihawk would stand a chance against Kizaru or Akainu in a duell...?
since he is Zorros final boss: yes, easily
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On August 10 2013 22:02 sc2holar wrote:
Does anyone seriously think that Mihawk would stand a chance against Kizaru or Akainu in a duell...?
ofc,Rayleigh fought evenly with a sword against Kizaru.You seriously think that "the greatest swordsman in the world" wouldn't be able to do the same?
Also we already know that Mihawk used to frequently duel Shanks who is one of the most powerful characters in One Piece,so yea,ofc he would stand a change against Kizaru and Akainu.Maybe he wouldn't win but he wouldn't just drop dead right away.
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On August 10 2013 22:02 sc2holar wrote:
Does anyone seriously think that Mihawk would stand a chance against Kizaru or Akainu in a duell...?
yes beacuse I can see both Kizaru and Akainu falling before Mihawk is defeated by Zoro and he needs to be stronger then thoose in order to make it be relevant. Besides we have never really seen Mihawk fight for real
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On August 10 2013 22:02 sc2holar wrote:
Does anyone seriously think that Mihawk would stand a chance against Kizaru or Akainu in a duell...?
Dunno about that, but if being one of the 7 warlords taught us something, it's they're not chosen for their fighting abilities. At least not alone. Crocodile and Doflamingo probably were picked because of their huge influence - even those hidden organisations they are/were part of have a popular and powerful side.
Even Hancock and her amazons, Jinbei and the fishmen, represent a decent %age of the world strength in the One Piece world.
Mihawk doesn't seem to have any of that, he must be hella strong by himself. Plus what the other people said above me.
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Mihawk?
Currently the impression I get is that he's the strongest character introduced thus far, probably by quite a margin. He's just toying around and never serious. Hopefully we will have an arc focused on him in the future instead of him just boringly being some sort of a final boss for Zoro --
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Akainu and Kizaru are definitely stronger. During the war, his slash was stopped by Jozu and Vista put up an equal fight. Nothing to be ashamed of, because the top Whitebeard commanders are definitely on a shichibukai level. Marco is probably even stronger.
Anyway, I don't even think Mihawk is Zoro's final boss, I think that would be Shiryu
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i don't think shiryu has been as hyped as mihawk, but i could see some weird teacher master duel-thing or something and then shiryu backstabs mihawk or something.
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