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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Frost
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1042 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 11:31:07
July 10 2013 11:12 GMT
#8441
On July 10 2013 19:22 MageSoren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 18:19 Frost wrote:
On July 10 2013 08:58 bittman wrote:
The way that Bartolemo describes his grudge as going "even further back" may actually not link to Luffy at all, but perhaps rather Dragon, Garp or Ace.

Then again given Barty is a more recent supernova, perhaps it is indeed Luffy...but there aren't many villains that aren't accounted for somehow. Nothing comes close to mind from the top of my head though.


You guys are reading incorrect translation on what Bartolomeo said. Here's the correct translation of that page.

http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/07/09/o/read51dc2ccaf3004/img000010.png

Note his actual words are "my motivations run deeper".

Also here's the link to the correct translation of the chapter.

http://www.batoto.net/read/_/181666/one-piece_ch714_by_mangarule


I wouldn't necessarily say that's a "correct" translation and I''m not saying it's bad or anything, but that's just their interpretation.

I'm more inclined towards the translations on mangastream's and mangapanda's translations on this one (at least in the context you refer to).
mangastream: "The thing is, he and I go way back..."
mangapanda: "My roots with him go deeper though!!"


Here's the raw version:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Here Bartolomeo says "こっちの方が根が深ェ。。。!!"
A direct translation is something along the lines of "This here (me) is more deeply rooted...!!"
Using the context read beforehand, you can change the way the direct translation into something that sounds better. I like the other two translations more than the one you found in this case.

Note: I'm not Japanese, so I can't say what I say are 100%.


The raw version of what Bartolomeo says is intended to be extremely ambiguous which the mangarule version expresses correctly.Both mangastream and mangapanda make it specific to Luffy and that Bartolomeo has a grudge with Luffy which is not what the raw version says. The raw version does have the word "roots", but it is "roots" as in his connection to the situation, not as in his connection to Luffy.

Basically, we are not supposed to really know or understand what Bartolomeo says or intends to do. Bartolomeo MAY or MAY NOT have a grudge with Luffy OR Bartolomeo MAY be wanting to help Luffy OR Bartolomeo MAY not have anything to do with Luffy at all (I do not think this is the case, but you get the point). We as readers are not suppose to know his motives right now.

Also, mangastream and mangapanda both carelessly uses context established beforehand in their translations. Sometimes it works, but most of the time it's a bad idea to do that because the translators for those two websites do not have the necessary understanding of Japanese to make it work.

This here is me just ranting, but seriously don't read mangapanda's translations for one piece. It's run by a Chinese company dedicated to providing the fastest updates whether through legal or illegal means which leads to ass translations.
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
July 10 2013 15:13 GMT
#8442
On July 10 2013 19:03 Goatey wrote:
Just a hunch, but I think Jora is Lola's mom. (From Thriller bark) They have similar names and looks. Plus she is up against Nami so we could see the Vivre card come to play to save them.

That makes way more sense than it should. Good catch.
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
July 10 2013 17:11 GMT
#8443
This is whats on One Piece Wikia
Lola's Mother
Lola's mother currently resides somewhere in the New World, indicating that she is an extremely powerful pirate, and Lola left a means for the Straw Hat Crew to find her, if necessary. Lola shows concern and fondness for her mother and assured the Straw Hats if they ran into trouble, her mother would lend them a hand. And could be big mom of the yonko
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
MageSoren
Profile Joined April 2010
United States53 Posts
July 10 2013 17:31 GMT
#8444
On July 10 2013 20:12 Frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 19:22 MageSoren wrote:
On July 10 2013 18:19 Frost wrote:
On July 10 2013 08:58 bittman wrote:
The way that Bartolemo describes his grudge as going "even further back" may actually not link to Luffy at all, but perhaps rather Dragon, Garp or Ace.

Then again given Barty is a more recent supernova, perhaps it is indeed Luffy...but there aren't many villains that aren't accounted for somehow. Nothing comes close to mind from the top of my head though.


You guys are reading incorrect translation on what Bartolomeo said. Here's the correct translation of that page.

http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/07/09/o/read51dc2ccaf3004/img000010.png

Note his actual words are "my motivations run deeper".

Also here's the link to the correct translation of the chapter.

http://www.batoto.net/read/_/181666/one-piece_ch714_by_mangarule


I wouldn't necessarily say that's a "correct" translation and I''m not saying it's bad or anything, but that's just their interpretation.

I'm more inclined towards the translations on mangastream's and mangapanda's translations on this one (at least in the context you refer to).
mangastream: "The thing is, he and I go way back..."
mangapanda: "My roots with him go deeper though!!"


Here's the raw version:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Here Bartolomeo says "こっちの方が根が深ェ。。。!!"
A direct translation is something along the lines of "This here (me) is more deeply rooted...!!"
Using the context read beforehand, you can change the way the direct translation into something that sounds better. I like the other two translations more than the one you found in this case.

Note: I'm not Japanese, so I can't say what I say are 100%.


The raw version of what Bartolomeo says is intended to be extremely ambiguous which the mangarule version expresses correctly.Both mangastream and mangapanda make it specific to Luffy and that Bartolomeo has a grudge with Luffy which is not what the raw version says. The raw version does have the word "roots", but it is "roots" as in his connection to the situation, not as in his connection to Luffy.

Basically, we are not supposed to really know or understand what Bartolomeo says or intends to do. Bartolomeo MAY or MAY NOT have a grudge with Luffy OR Bartolomeo MAY be wanting to help Luffy OR Bartolomeo MAY not have anything to do with Luffy at all (I do not think this is the case, but you get the point). We as readers are not suppose to know his motives right now.

Also, mangastream and mangapanda both carelessly uses context established beforehand in their translations. Sometimes it works, but most of the time it's a bad idea to do that because the translators for those two websites do not have the necessary understanding of Japanese to make it work.

This here is me just ranting, but seriously don't read mangapanda's translations for one piece. It's run by a Chinese company dedicated to providing the fastest updates whether through legal or illegal means which leads to ass translations.


I don't read just mangapanda's translations, I also read a few other translations including mangastream's and mangarule's. I do agree that mangapanda's translations are most often terrible and I also agree mangarule usually has a better translation overall. In my opinion, mangastream's only downfall is the way they change their dialect to sound more "colloquial" or something of the like.

I also believe that we don't know Bartolomeo's motives, and that's mainly what I got from the translations I read. I didn't get the indication that there was a clear motive. I just wanted to say that everyone has their interpretations. I'm not really sure if Bartolomeo has a bigger motive than Luffy being a prey, or it's simply that he has a deep connection.

Here's something I found in a different forum. The quotes are similar to Bartolomeo's. Maybe they hint at something?
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
Hiya!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
July 10 2013 17:47 GMT
#8445
On a sidenote, new Series by Akira Toriyama!
http://mangastream.com/read/jaco/01/1981/1
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
July 10 2013 17:55 GMT
#8446
So I'm guessing there is another Devil Fruit in Barty's case.
LightRain
Profile Joined March 2013
36 Posts
July 10 2013 18:02 GMT
#8447
Bartholemew is obviously Sado

+ Show Spoiler +
if this turns out to be true I will rage
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 18:35:55
July 10 2013 18:23 GMT
#8448
On July 11 2013 03:02 LightRain wrote:
Bartholemew is obviously Sado

+ Show Spoiler +
if this turns out to be true I will rage


I think Sabo is "that man" Barty was referring too.
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 10 2013 20:47 GMT
#8449
that punch was pretty satisfying. Do you guys think that luffy's beard did actually fall off and it might reveal his identity to everyone?
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
July 10 2013 21:08 GMT
#8450
On July 11 2013 05:47 JiYan wrote:
that punch was pretty satisfying. Do you guys think that luffy's beard did actually fall off and it might reveal his identity to everyone?

Very likely.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
July 10 2013 21:23 GMT
#8451
On July 10 2013 19:03 Goatey wrote:
Just a hunch, but I think Jora is Lola's mom. (From Thriller bark) They have similar names and looks. Plus she is up against Nami so we could see the Vivre card come to play to save them.


Man, that would be sick if true. Oda always leaving the bread crumbs for people to follow, no matter how long ago it happened.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
July 10 2013 21:25 GMT
#8452
This is from One Piece Wikia
Lola's Mother
Lola's mother currently resides somewhere in the New World, indicating that she is an extremely powerful pirate, and Lola left a means for the Straw Hat Crew to find her, if necessary. Lola shows concern and fondness for her mother and assured the Straw Hats if they ran into trouble, her mother would lend them a hand. And could be big mom of the yonko
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
July 10 2013 21:39 GMT
#8453
You posted that 9 posts above that one already.
i am plus
Profile Joined October 2011
United States190 Posts
July 11 2013 03:14 GMT
#8454
yea but luffy is gonna fight big mam and other 3 yonko so i dont see her being lola mom
GettingIt
Profile Joined August 2011
1656 Posts
July 11 2013 03:42 GMT
#8455
Man I would be really really surprised if Jora wasnt Lola's mom.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1083 Posts
July 11 2013 04:35 GMT
#8456
I'm really stumped on Bartolomeo's identity. Most of the old friends/enemies are accounted for or look different enough from Bartolomeo that it can't be them... Barto is pretty young looking still. There's a really long shot that it could be Sabo... getting blasted by a rocket could really mess up your look, but that seems doubtful. So I think he's a completely new character, but with some relationship to Luffy somehow.

As for Jora and Lola, they do look quite a bit alike. However, Lola seemed to make her mom out to be a big deal in the new world while Jora seems like small fry for the new world. Even Brook, Nami, and Chopper don't seem scared of Jora... more scared of what Franky will do to them for letting the Sunny get messed up. I'm still going with Big Mom being Lola's mother.

I'd also put Leo and Wicca on the Strawhat Pirate watch list. Leo, with his fruit, could fill a number of roles within the SH crew. Wicca would finally be another female member without overlapping the roles of Nami or Robin too much. Both would be vastly different from the rest of the Strawhats in terms of looks.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 11 2013 04:52 GMT
#8457
On July 11 2013 13:35 RenSC2 wrote:
I'm really stumped on Bartolomeo's identity. Most of the old friends/enemies are accounted for or look different enough from Bartolomeo that it can't be them... Barto is pretty young looking still. There's a really long shot that it could be Sabo... getting blasted by a rocket could really mess up your look, but that seems doubtful. So I think he's a completely new character, but with some relationship to Luffy somehow.

As for Jora and Lola, they do look quite a bit alike. However, Lola seemed to make her mom out to be a big deal in the new world while Jora seems like small fry for the new world. Even Brook, Nami, and Chopper don't seem scared of Jora... more scared of what Franky will do to them for letting the Sunny get messed up. I'm still going with Big Mom being Lola's mother.

I'd also put Leo and Wicca on the Strawhat Pirate watch list. Leo, with his fruit, could fill a number of roles within the SH crew. Wicca would finally be another female member without overlapping the roles of Nami or Robin too much. Both would be vastly different from the rest of the Strawhats in terms of looks.

he could have been in the pirate crew of that guy who burned down the trash heap
shark.
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
593 Posts
July 11 2013 07:48 GMT
#8458
He kinda has a similar name to Bartholomew Kuma, maybe their related and Barto has ties to the revolutionary army.
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
July 11 2013 14:14 GMT
#8459
On July 11 2013 06:39 sumsaR wrote:
You posted that 9 posts above that one already.


Oh woops idd, I thought I posted it and I went back to check but didnt see Meh...

Whos Wicca? :o
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
sumsaR
Profile Joined January 2013
Sweden1812 Posts
July 11 2013 14:25 GMT
#8460
On July 11 2013 13:35 RenSC2 wrote:I'd also put Leo and Wicca on the Strawhat Pirate watch list. Leo, with his fruit, could fill a number of roles within the SH crew. Wicca would finally be another female member without overlapping the roles of Nami or Robin too much. Both would be vastly different from the rest of the Strawhats in terms of looks.

No idea who any of those are, so that's probably a 'no, not likely'.
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