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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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Souma
2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts
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SecondManRex
England24 Posts
On April 20 2013 06:39 flamewheel wrote: since the topic of 'what one piece is' has brought back up again http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205&p=2812288#post2812288 Well, that's certainly thorough in the way which fan speculation tends to be, think I'd be rather disappointed though if the One Piece just becomes another project for Luffy and crew to go on after hitting Raftel. For some reason it just doesn't sit right with me that Roger's treasure would basically be "Good job guys, here's another task for you to go and do for world peace or something." but hey, maybe I'm just silly.  | ||
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Eshra
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On April 20 2013 08:06 SecondManRex wrote: Well, that's certainly thorough in the way which fan speculation tends to be, think I'd be rather disappointed though if the One Piece just becomes another project for Luffy and crew to go on after hitting Raftel. For some reason it just doesn't sit right with me that Roger's treasure would basically be "Good job guys, here's another task for you to go and do for world peace or something." but hey, maybe I'm just silly. If that theory does happen, I'd guess it's more likely that Luffy would accidentally cause it to happen rather than intentionally. That being said it fits together quite nicely. I wouldn't be too surprised if: + Show Spoiler + Raftel actually just gave the location of one piece, which was actually located in the sky above fishman island. Maybe he left some literal treasure there (pictures of his crew and such), for others to find, along with knowledge to finding the "real" one piece. Upon reaching the actual one piece, the theory could be fulfilled. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 20 2013 06:39 flamewheel wrote: since the topic of 'what one piece is' has brought back up again http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205&p=2812288#post2812288 dont get why people keep linking that it makes no sense Luffy doesnt care about shit, he only cares about being free using a WMD to blow up the entire red line is not being free if these old kingdom guys were so technologically advanced as to create such powerful weapons why not jsut drill a few tunnels in the red line? finishs all of there objectives without catastrophic consequences destroy reversal mountain would not create all-blue because the powerful current would still exist and always exist so where reversal mountian is would remain as a powerful stream (jsut not a vertical one) in no way would this create all-blue also his assumption that 6 of the SHs dream would come true at this time is false, only Sanjis would come true everyone elses dream would ahve already come true before nuking reversal mountain also the general scheme of OP is the AK were super good guys who were brutally destroyed by the WG, but if that idea of OP was true then the AK were power hungry short sighted fools willing to completely demolish the red line and kill millions of people jsut to prove they can furthermore destroying the red line in no way solves the abnormalities of the grand line, the grand line is wierd becuase of the rare metals on each island that creats a powerful magnetic field and that each island has its own extreme set of weather and as each islands weather clash it creates normallly impossible weather conditions also he doesnt seem to understand that destroying the red line destroys fishman island and makes that spot impossible to re colonize because not only would it destroy the sun tree thing but fishman island would be burried under the trillion tons of debris that destroying the red line would create also if Roger really wanted this plan to happen, he could ahve made it happen he was BFF's with Whitebeard and his quake quake fruit would ahve completed this plan 10 times easier then an ancient weapon | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 20 2013 12:33 grush57 wrote: The red line caused the current and abnormalities. Or so what the theory sais. but thats not true the abnormalities are caused by the individual islands perhaps every island in all of one piece is also locked to a certain season and only in the grand line are the islands close enough to cause such erratic weather | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On April 20 2013 12:24 Forikorder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2013 06:39 flamewheel wrote: since the topic of 'what one piece is' has brought back up again http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205&p=2812288#post2812288 dont get why people keep linking that it makes no sense Luffy doesnt care about shit, he only cares about being free using a WMD to blow up the entire red line is not being free if these old kingdom guys were so technologically advanced as to create such powerful weapons why not jsut drill a few tunnels in the red line? finishs all of there objectives without catastrophic consequences destroy reversal mountain would not create all-blue because the powerful current would still exist and always exist so where reversal mountian is would remain as a powerful stream (jsut not a vertical one) in no way would this create all-blue also his assumption that 6 of the SHs dream would come true at this time is false, only Sanjis would come true everyone elses dream would ahve already come true before nuking reversal mountain also the general scheme of OP is the AK were super good guys who were brutally destroyed by the WG, but if that idea of OP was true then the AK were power hungry short sighted fools willing to completely demolish the red line and kill millions of people jsut to prove they can furthermore destroying the red line in no way solves the abnormalities of the grand line, the grand line is wierd becuase of the rare metals on each island that creats a powerful magnetic field and that each island has its own extreme set of weather and as each islands weather clash it creates normallly impossible weather conditions also he doesnt seem to understand that destroying the red line destroys fishman island and makes that spot impossible to re colonize because not only would it destroy the sun tree thing but fishman island would be burried under the trillion tons of debris that destroying the red line would create also if Roger really wanted this plan to happen, he could ahve made it happen he was BFF's with Whitebeard and his quake quake fruit would ahve completed this plan 10 times easier then an ancient weapon So because it didn't come from you then it's all crap? It's a freaking theory and he is not claiming to be right in all accounts. He is just giving his thoughts to the matter and it is a fun read. What if Shanks actually inherited Gold Roger's will but couldn't complete it because he doesn't have away of understanding the poneglyphs? And maybe that's where luffy comes it and inherits gold Roger's will through Shanks blah blah blah. It is an assumption, deal with it. And the One Piece universe will be dictated by Oda not by you. So stop saying destroying the red line will not prevent abnormalities in the grandline because you really don't know how the author is going to play it out. Well, maybe Gold Roger really couldn't do it because of health reasons. Maybe conqueror's haki is needed to feed the machine (I don't know and neither do you so don't claim that you are right). But maybe because of his degrading health, he wasn't able to feed the weapon the "amount" of haki it needed. We don't know what the AK tech is, up to now. That AK tech could be able to harness Haki into a powerful beam weapon or whatever. Who knows! You ruin a healthy discussion by bashing another's opinion/idea. He did his work with posts that have real references at least. You don't and you have been shown to spout nonsense from time to time. So STFU until you grow up. I really don't like it whenever you post in this forum because you ruin an otherwise healthy and fun discussion of opposing ideas. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
especially since it keeps getting reposted and noone else seems to see the obvious holes in it | ||
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Zooper31
United States5713 Posts
On April 20 2013 14:01 Forikorder wrote: i have no problem with people posting a theory that actualy follows canon and character motivation personality but i do have a problem when people ignore character motivation and canon to sput a theory like that especially since it keeps getting reposted and noone else seems to see the obvious holes in it You seem to be the only person who disagrees though. It's a theory and it's definitely plausible regardless of what you think. Anyway lol. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On April 20 2013 14:24 Zooper31 wrote: You seem to be the only person who disagrees though. It's a theory and it's definitely plausible regardless of what you think. Anyway lol. its technically plausible but some of the stuff is jsut plain incorrect like how he tries to make it seem like 6 of the strawhats dream is to destroy reversal mountain | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On April 20 2013 14:27 Forikorder wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 20 2013 14:24 Zooper31 wrote: You seem to be the only person who disagrees though. It's a theory and it's definitely plausible regardless of what you think. Anyway lol. its technically plausible but some of the stuff is jsut plain incorrect like how he tries to make it seem like 6 of the strawhats dream is to destroy reversal mountain Can't you at least read and comprehend? He doesn't say their dream is to destroy reversal mountain, he simply states that the act of doing so may in fact fulfill their actual dreams in the process. But he doesn't go as far as stating what you are saying! Jeez! Theories can have holes, especially in a fictional universe. He isn't the author and that is to be expected he is speculating but with basis. See, from your rebuttal alone, it appears that you didn't even bother to understand and simply closed off any means of receiving his opinion openly. It's like you take offense in an idea that is not in line with yours which is childish and stupid. So how is it against character motivation? How is it against canon? What if it is simply derived from it but simply split off into a possible path where the author "can" take it. It doesn't make it wrong. It is an idea that is possible. Doesn't make it wrong. You aren't the freaking God of the OP universe and unless you can counter his post properly and in a structured fashion (with references to the manga) then don't just go spouting baseless "HE IS WRONG, DEAL WITH IT!". No one is wrong or right until Oda says it is. so shut it. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
also hed be completely against something as serious as destroying the entire red line and taming the calm line he couldnt care less about the people in 4 blues trying to migrate (not that its even impossible for them to do so now) i jsut cant beleive people can picture Luffy leading an army of weapons as a general to wage war on the red line based on the wim of some 800 year old long dead kingdom he doesnt care about at all http://www.mangareader.net/103-2614-8/one-piece/chapter-507.html just look at this he has no intention to do anything but what he considers fun and i dont think pointless destruction is fun to him | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On April 20 2013 14:49 Forikorder wrote: + Show Spoiler + all luffy wants is to be able to go wherever he wants whenever he wants to be tied down by nothing and just drift around the ocean having fun, making the grand line boring by removing its abnormal weather would be the last thing he would want to happen also hed be completely against something as serious as destroying the entire red line and taming the calm line he couldnt care less about the people in 4 blues trying to migrate (not that its even impossible for them to do so now) i jsut cant beleive people can picture Luffy leading an army of weapons as a general to wage war on the red line based on the wim of some 800 year old long dead kingdom he doesnt care about at all http://www.mangareader.net/103-2614-8/one-piece/chapter-507.html just look at this he has no intention to do anything but what he considers fun and i dont think pointless destruction is fun to him Jeez! You even misinterpreted an english translation of the manga. It's not that Luffy doesn't care but he wants an adventure and to find it if he comes across it. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to find the "One Piece". If he knows that he should go to Point B to get One Piece, then he finds it boring and wouldn't want to do it. And the author has shown, even before, that Luffy wants an adventure (to justify why he went out to sea and basically build this manga on) If Luffy's camp did take directions from Rayleigh, then the story wouldn't be as coherent to the character of Luffy in the beginning and what it was all built on. And the manga would obviously be closer to an end rather than where it is now. Again, you are saying he won't lead an army. But what if its not leading an army per se. Luffy's quirk is that he gains allies and friends along the way (pirates, marines and civilians) eventhough he is a pirate. He does good but doesn't want to be called a hero (it doesn't change the fact that he is - you and I know this unless you don't read the manga properly). What if he declares a last stand against the WG/Marines and the other pirates rally to his side after being told of an evil revalation about the WG/Marines. Is that leading the army? I don't think so. Now, the World Government may be a future trigger to allow for the story to finally go that direction but you and I already know that Luffy will certainly destroy fishman island as per the visions/prediction. The only question is when and why. I recall there being a theory on why fishman island before that Luffy destroyed it because fishman island wasn't able to supply the candy to big mam and it rolled from there. It doesn't make that theory wrong, but just introduces the possibility of it going there. Do I agree with that? Not necessarily, I would more likely feel that the One Piece theory will cause fishman's island destruction is more likely, but not entirely the only possibility. The story is still evolving, and so are the characters and their motivations. So don't go closing the door on someone's theory about a possible direction the author can take it. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On April 20 2013 06:39 flamewheel wrote: since the topic of 'what one piece is' has brought back up again http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=38205&p=2812288#post2812288 If that theory isn't atleast part true I am gonna be very very confused as that made a whole lot of sense. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
you and I already know that Luffy will certainly destroy fishman island as per the visions/prediction. no you and i certainly do not know that you may think that, i do not if anything i could picture something like Blackbeard of Big mam launching full scale attack on FI and Luffy running back to save it and finding a sea of flames something like that i do not think Luffy will ever actually destroy fishman island (as in it being a chocie he conciously and willingly makes) It's not that Luffy doesn't care but he wants an adventure and to find it if he comes across it. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to find the "One Piece". it means that Luffy is only interested in being entertained, going through the grand line and finding a legendary treasure is entertaining spending months doing paperwork and working with engineers and geologists to figure out the perfect way to implode a large series of islands in a way that prevents something like say a giant tsunami from wiping out a couple islands is not entertaining its boring like honestly can you even imagine the sheer amount of logistics required to pull this off in a safe way? TBH i dont see the manga continuing after they reach Raftel, i imagine the final panel will be them entering a huge cave and seeing a giant mountain of gold in front of them (with all loose ends and mysteries already revealed at that point of course) | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On April 20 2013 15:27 Forikorder wrote: + Show Spoiler + you and I already know that Luffy will certainly destroy fishman island as per the visions/prediction. no you and i certainly do not know that you may think that, i do not if anything i could picture something like Blackbeard of Big mam launching full scale attack on FI and Luffy running back to save it and finding a sea of flames something like that i do not think Luffy will ever actually destroy fishman island (as in it being a chocie he conciously and willingly makes) It's not that Luffy doesn't care but he wants an adventure and to find it if he comes across it. It doesn't mean he doesn't want to find the "One Piece". it means that Luffy is only interested in being entertained, going through the grand line and finding a legendary treasure is entertaining spending months doing paperwork and working with engineers and geologists to figure out the perfect way to implode a large series of islands in a way that prevents something like say a giant tsunami from wiping out a couple islands is not entertaining its boring like honestly can you even imagine the sheer amount of logistics required to pull this off in a safe way? TBH i dont see the manga continuing after they reach Raftel, i imagine the final panel will be them entering a huge cave and seeing a giant mountain of gold in front of them (with all loose ends and mysteries already revealed at that point of course) Okay, my bad, wrong wording there. It should Luffy will cause the destruction of Fishman Island, directly or indirectly. So he can destroy it himself or cause its destruction via collateral damage of a battle etc etc.. And as for the geologists and engineers..... ???? You are bringing our reality into the OP universe. Are you seriously thinking now? Would an island have ice on one half and volcanoes erupting on the other half in our reality? Should the continuous eruption cause earthquakes and tsunamis? Is it even possible to engineer a freaking bubble to allow a boat to go down in the depths of the sea without there being implications of pressure problems etc if it worked in our reality? Who says that dedication is even needed to use an AK Weapon? We don't know yet, and that's the whole point. We can speculate and assume based on an existing set of rules that Oda has created for us. I mean, wouldn't the earthquake fruit alone by whitebeard mean his attacks cause a tidal wave that could destroy cities? If you think back to marineford, that wave should not have just gone to marineford but the wave would originate from a central (epicenter) location. So the wave is circular and could have hit other areas, if you want it to be realistic, but it isn't. So don't go blabbing about logistics and time constraints in a fictional universe. On my end, I think the destruction of the world government would establish the four emperor's purpose. I always wondered why 4 and there are currently 4 seas. If the 4 emperors (when the end comes) are more in line with Shanks and Whitebeard simply keeping the peace, then it would be safe to consider than the 4 emperors would be the ones to maintain order in the world after the WG's downfall. This would not work with the theory of AK weapon destrying the red line though as it destroys the idea of 4 seas but I can at least appreciate the theory. | ||
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Tabbris
Bangladesh2839 Posts
On April 20 2013 15:27 Forikorder wrote: no you and i certainly do not know that you may think that, i do not if anything i could picture something like Blackbeard of Big mam launching full scale attack on FI and Luffy running back to save it and finding a sea of flames something like that i do not think Luffy will ever actually destroy fishman island (as in it being a chocie he conciously and willingly makes) it means that Luffy is only interested in being entertained, going through the grand line and finding a legendary treasure is entertaining spending months doing paperwork and working with engineers and geologists to figure out the perfect way to implode a large series of islands in a way that prevents something like say a giant tsunami from wiping out a couple islands is not entertaining its boring like honestly can you even imagine the sheer amount of logistics required to pull this off in a safe way? TBH i dont see the manga continuing after they reach Raftel, i imagine the final panel will be them entering a huge cave and seeing a giant mountain of gold in front of them (with all loose ends and mysteries already revealed at that point of course) I dont know if your trolling or just dumb. One piece has been hinted at to be more then just gold throughout the manga.... If gold was so impotent to luffy or Oda then he skyisland arc would of been alot more important lol. Also you claiming that luffy would have no interest in destroying the redline is pretty laughable as the author can create many reasons why luffy would want to do it. Luffy tends to care about the people he sees suffering over his own view of fun...I can just say luffy sees the suffering the WG causes and to take them down he destroys the red line. That isnt hard to imagine at all. I only pop in this thread a few times but whenever I see u post it looks like your heads up your ass. | ||
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RiZu
Singapore5715 Posts
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