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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:51 nitram wrote: Kuro had claws Buggy is a weakling who gets by only with the aid of his devil fruit. Croc has a hook you derp And what about when luffy fought milhawk, he couldn't do anything. swords vs bluntdoesnt matter now with haki blunts will still hurt luffy. | ||
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grush57
Korea (South)2582 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:51 nitram wrote: Kuro had claws Buggy is a weakling who gets by only with the aid of his devil fruit. Croc has a hook you derp And what about when luffy fought milhawk, he couldn't do anything. yea those are also all sharp btw | ||
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Juicyfruit
Canada5484 Posts
Thing though is that Luffy covers this weakness by outspeeding anyone attempting to cut him, and since he withdraws his arms as fast if not faster than a regularly limbed person after he attacks, the amount of time he exposes his increased surface area isn't long enough for most swordsman to take advantage of. Furthermore, Luffy can adapt his fighting style so that he does more backward stretches (e.g. bazooka) rather than front stretches (pistol). Also, one can argue that his DF at least gives him some mid-ranged attack against swordsman compared to a normal guy. In the end, the fact that Luffy is a slightly bigger target vs swordsman doesn't necessarily mean that overall he's at a disadvantage as a result of his DF. Also, swords in One Piece are nerfed because cutting off limbs is gruesome; Law gets away with it because of his DF shenanigans but most swordsman can only end up inflicting scars and skin-deep cuts even with their finishing moves.\ | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:58 killa_robot wrote: TBH I think guns are nerfed way harder than swords. Apart from fodder vs fodder in the war I don't recall them ever being useful. Stopped Kizaru in his tracks. | ||
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ChrisXIV
Austria3553 Posts
On February 01 2013 06:58 killa_robot wrote: TBH I think guns are nerfed way harder than swords. Apart from fodder vs fodder in the war I don't recall them ever being useful. One of the core Blackbeard crew uses a gun, I guess we'll see how good he is with it. Didn't do much vs Ace but maybe he has Haki now. And isn't there someone on Shanks' crew that uses guns/pistols? | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:03 ChrisXIV wrote: One of the core Blackbeard crew uses a gun, I guess we'll see how good he is with it. Didn't do much vs Ace but maybe he has Haki now. And isn't there someone on Shanks' crew that uses guns/pistols? Yeah some people have them, but viewing guns vs swords, guns are clearly far less used and seem to be far less effective when used so far. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:03 ChrisXIV wrote: One of the core Blackbeard crew uses a gun, I guess we'll see how good he is with it. Didn't do much vs Ace but maybe he has Haki now. And isn't there someone on Shanks' crew that uses guns/pistols? ![[image loading]](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwlj8hvcq41qk3sd5o1_500.jpg) Benn Backmen  | ||
flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26782 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
cannot wait until we finally see Shanks crew in action. | ||
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valaki
Hungary2476 Posts
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nitram
Canada5412 Posts
Because you are going to cut something with claws and a hook, rather then scratch/pierce it? Theres was reason zoro was added so quickly. | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
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Sentenal
United States12398 Posts
On February 01 2013 05:47 nitram wrote: It is "weakness" uniquely inherent to Luffy. If hes stretching then hes a bigger target. All it means is he can't stretch around wrecklessly. Which, btw, is also true in any situation/fight ever, except that if he does it against a swordsman, he loses a limb? So its not the same, lol What happens if a normal person punches at a swordsmen, and misses? The swordsmen can cut his arm off or just kill them. The only difference is that if Luffy punches at a guy, hes not standing right next to the guy, so instead of being in lethal danger, hes just risking an arm. So I guess Luffy is actually better equipped to fight someone with swords than a regular human being is. Unless you think normal people can't get limbs cut off by a swordsmen in the opening created after avoiding an attack. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18774 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:15 AsnSensation wrote: Personally I think Ben Beckman is the only character with the badass aura on the level of Zoro so far, might be coincidence that they are both first mates and their captains are silly and carefree dudes :D cannot wait until we finally see Shanks crew in action. Yeah Shanks' crew is so awesome. One of the smartest people in the world of OP, the fastest and the best sniper. | ||
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OKMarius
Norway469 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:25 Mensol wrote: As far i know Yasopp is the first member of shanks crew. I might be wrong. Ben Beckman is still the first mate though. Doesn't mean the same thing.  | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:50 sharkie wrote: Yeah Shanks' crew is so awesome. One of the smartest people in the world of OP, the fastest and the best sniper. actually he even holds the title of smartest person or at least highest IQ according to Oda :D @Mensol not sure why only shanks was shown during yasopps recruitment but Benn Beckman officially holds the title of firstmate among the red hair pirates http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Benn_Beckman | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On February 01 2013 07:55 AsnSensation wrote: actually he even holds the title of smartest person or at least highest IQ according to Oda :D @Mensol not sure why only shanks was shown during yasopps recruitment but Benn Beckman officially holds the title of firstmate among the red hair pirates http://onepiece.wikia.com/wiki/Benn_Beckman I dont know either :D thanks for correction ^^ | ||
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RenSC2
United States1102 Posts
On February 01 2013 03:56 Sentenal wrote: Thats no different than anyone fighting a swordsman barehanded. It isn't any "weakness" uniquely inherent to Luffy that a normal person wouldn't have. All it means is you can't stretch around wrecklessly. Which, btw, is also true in any situation/fight ever. The reason why I said Luffy's natural enemy is a swordsman is exactly for that reason. Luffy has always fought recklessly. He flings out arms, legs, and other parts of his body relying largely on his speed. Against a swordsman that can actually keep up with his speed, he'd have to seriously change his fighting style. Even as far back as Captain Kuro, Luffy should have easily lost an arm if not for Kuro trying to show off: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/37/6 Or if you look at his brief battle against Hyouzou (octopus swordsman in Hordy's crew), Luffy is poisoned when he strikes Hyouzou early in the arc. Hyouzou isn't a match for Zoro even with energy steroid powerup, but would have potentially been deadly to Luffy if he hadn't gone through the ordeal with Magellan. I can't think of a true swordsman since Kuro that he's beaten (other than fodder). Many of his enemies have slashing/piercing attacks, but the true swordsmen have been left to Zoro since that point (except for when Mihawk was easily superior to Luffy). If you look at the Strawhat crew, perhaps only Sanji is as vulnerable to swords as Luffy. Nami can use her mirages and long range attacks without making herself vulnerable and has a staff to deflect sword attacks. Usopp can run and use long range attacks without being vulnerable. Franky has a body that can take sword blows. Robin can sprout and dissolve arms wherever she wants to get under a swordsman's guard and stop/disarm him. Chopper has his horns that can guard against sword attacks (also guard-point?). Zoro and Brook both have swords. Only Luffy and Sanji really have to put themselves in a vulnerable spot to strike a swordsman. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18774 Posts
On February 01 2013 08:40 RenSC2 wrote: Haha, ooops, look what I started. The reason why I said Luffy's natural enemy is a swordsman is exactly for that reason. Luffy has always fought recklessly. He flings out arms, legs, and other parts of his body relying largely on his speed. Against a swordsman that can actually keep up with his speed, he'd have to seriously change his fighting style. Even as far back as Captain Kuro, Luffy should have easily lost an arm if not for Kuro trying to show off: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/37/6 Or if you look at his brief battle against Hyouzou (octopus swordsman in Hordy's crew), Luffy is poisoned when he strikes Hyouzou early in the arc. Hyouzou isn't a match for Zoro even with energy steroid powerup, but would have potentially been deadly to Luffy if he hadn't gone through the ordeal with Magellan. I can't think of a true swordsman since Kuro that he's beaten (other than fodder). Many of his enemies have slashing/piercing attacks, but the true swordsmen have been left to Zoro since that point (except for when Mihawk was easily superior to Luffy). If you look at the Strawhat crew, perhaps only Sanji is as vulnerable to swords as Luffy. Nami can use her mirages and long range attacks without making herself vulnerable and has a staff to deflect sword attacks. Usopp can run and use long range attacks without being vulnerable. Franky has a body that can take sword blows. Robin can sprout and dissolve arms wherever she wants to get under a swordsman's guard and stop/disarm him. Chopper has his horns that can guard against sword attacks (also guard-point?). Zoro and Brook both have swords. Only Luffy and Sanji really have to put themselves in a vulnerable spot to strike a swordsman. That is one reason why One Piece is so awesome. Luffy alone could never beat everyone. He really needs his crew to advance. Unlike Bleach and Naruto where the main character can beat just anyone regardless of power, skills and fighting style. And its not only Luffy. Everyone has his strengths and weaknesses. There is no x > all character. | ||
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