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On January 31 2013 07:42 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:01 Prog455 wrote:On January 31 2013 01:52 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 01:47 Krytha wrote:
Doflamingo was humbled a bit too quickly IMO. At the beginning of the arc he was untouchable, and all of a sudden getting ONE guy kidnapped and losing PH reduces him to nothing? Too many eggs in one basket guy. Hopefully we see him respond better next week / see that he has more tricks up his sleeve because he was supposed to be like some invincible mafia boss who could troll people everywhere and now hes just Kaidou's errand boy.
I like the idea of Kaidou being stacked and everything, but then its like all of the pre-TS scenes with Doflamingo plotting and looking like he owned shit would be wasted. this i would have liked to see doflamingo just laugh off laws threats Even though i would tend to agree that i had expected more from Doflamingo, i don't think any of the Shichibukai should be considered much of a threat anymore. Post time-skip Strawhats are insanely strong. Luffy managed to take down a Pacifista with a single blow, even though they are supposed to be almost as strong as Bartholomew (disregarding his devil fruit powers). Prior to the time-skip Luffy managed to bring down a few Shichibukai, and he is far stronger now. In addition to this, as has already been mentioned, it would appear that none of Doflamingos subordinates are anywhere near as strong as the Strawhats or Law himself. This is just theorycrafting of course, but i strongly believe that both Luffy and Law is to be considered some of the strongest characters in the story right now. Mihawk is still above Zoro they still have a ways before they get to the top, if law was one of the strongest characters in the story he wouldnt have to go to such lengths to get a 30% chance to take down one of the emporers the pacifistas are not on kumas level the DF ability accounts for alot id say that luffy and law are around the level of the emporers second in commands there is still a ways to go before those guys get to stand on the level of the superpowers like the admirals and yonkou
The devil fruit does not make up for the fact that Luffy destroyed a Pacifista in one hit. And even though the Yonkos and the Admirals are still stronger, Luffy and Law would still be among the top 10 strongest Characters, which i personally believe is pretty good.
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On January 31 2013 07:46 AsnSensation wrote:really nice catch ( well the guys from the other site :D) I don't remember how this was animated (if the mountains were green lol) but this is probably greenbit yeah. Would be convenient since we know this is one of Kaidou's islands and we meet scumab coribou again.
Those mountains look like they were under construction, or something like that, when X Drake was there, but look complete now. I wonder what they actually are.
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On January 31 2013 07:46 AsnSensation wrote:really nice catch ( well the guys from the other site :D) I don't remember how this was animated (if the mountains were green lol) but this is probably greenbit yeah. Would be convenient since we know this is one of Kaidou's islands and we meet scumab coribou again.
That's actually the one thing that makes me think this isn't Greenbit, since it would be odd for the Strawhats to meet someone who is currently in a cover story.
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On January 31 2013 07:52 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 07:01 Prog455 wrote:On January 31 2013 01:52 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 01:47 Krytha wrote:
Doflamingo was humbled a bit too quickly IMO. At the beginning of the arc he was untouchable, and all of a sudden getting ONE guy kidnapped and losing PH reduces him to nothing? Too many eggs in one basket guy. Hopefully we see him respond better next week / see that he has more tricks up his sleeve because he was supposed to be like some invincible mafia boss who could troll people everywhere and now hes just Kaidou's errand boy.
I like the idea of Kaidou being stacked and everything, but then its like all of the pre-TS scenes with Doflamingo plotting and looking like he owned shit would be wasted. this i would have liked to see doflamingo just laugh off laws threats Even though i would tend to agree that i had expected more from Doflamingo, i don't think any of the Shichibukai should be considered much of a threat anymore. Post time-skip Strawhats are insanely strong. Luffy managed to take down a Pacifista with a single blow, even though they are supposed to be almost as strong as Bartholomew (disregarding his devil fruit powers). Prior to the time-skip Luffy managed to bring down a few Shichibukai, and he is far stronger now. In addition to this, as has already been mentioned, it would appear that none of Doflamingos subordinates are anywhere near as strong as the Strawhats or Law himself. This is just theorycrafting of course, but i strongly believe that both Luffy and Law is to be considered some of the strongest characters in the story right now. Mihawk is still above Zoro they still have a ways before they get to the top, if law was one of the strongest characters in the story he wouldnt have to go to such lengths to get a 30% chance to take down one of the emporers the pacifistas are not on kumas level the DF ability accounts for alot id say that luffy and law are around the level of the emporers second in commands there is still a ways to go before those guys get to stand on the level of the superpowers like the admirals and yonkou The devil fruit does not make up for the fact that Luffy destroyed a Pacifista in one hit. And even though the Yonkos and the Admirals are still stronger, Luffy and Law would still be among the top 10 strongest Characters, which i personally believe is pretty good.
I disagree. If you want i can write you 10 characters who is stronger than law&luffy.
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Sentomaru stated that the Pacifista's Luffy and Sanji/Zoro defeated were the same models as the one's the crew faced pre-time skip implying that there are newer models now. Kuma would receive the same upgrades which have been developed over two years as the Strawhats aren't the only ones who get stronger. Even without the DF I think Kuma would be a lot stronger than the Pacifista's as he just made from the same material as them, but Kuma was likely already strong. We haven't gotten a true measure of Kuma's strength though, but Pacifista's are for some reason attempting to imitate Kuma, but Kuma does not imitate them.
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On January 31 2013 08:03 BlackMagister wrote:
Sentomaru stated that the Pacifista's Luffy and Sanji/Zoro defeated were the same models as the one's the crew faced pre-time skip implying that there are newer models now. Kuma would receive the same upgrades which have been developed over two years as the Strawhats aren't the only ones who get stronger. Even without the DF I think Kuma would be a lot stronger than the Pacifista's as he just made from the same material as them, but Kuma was likely already strong. We haven't gotten a true measure of Kuma's strength though, but Pacifista's are for some reason attempting to imitate Kuma, but Kuma does not imitate them.
kuma seems alot faster then them and may have retained his ability to use Haki
just because they can beat the pacifistas (the equivalant of shocktroopers for marines) doesnt mean there miles stronger then kuma now
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On January 31 2013 08:00 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 31 2013 07:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 07:01 Prog455 wrote:On January 31 2013 01:52 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 01:47 Krytha wrote:
Doflamingo was humbled a bit too quickly IMO. At the beginning of the arc he was untouchable, and all of a sudden getting ONE guy kidnapped and losing PH reduces him to nothing? Too many eggs in one basket guy. Hopefully we see him respond better next week / see that he has more tricks up his sleeve because he was supposed to be like some invincible mafia boss who could troll people everywhere and now hes just Kaidou's errand boy.
I like the idea of Kaidou being stacked and everything, but then its like all of the pre-TS scenes with Doflamingo plotting and looking like he owned shit would be wasted. this i would have liked to see doflamingo just laugh off laws threats Even though i would tend to agree that i had expected more from Doflamingo, i don't think any of the Shichibukai should be considered much of a threat anymore. Post time-skip Strawhats are insanely strong. Luffy managed to take down a Pacifista with a single blow, even though they are supposed to be almost as strong as Bartholomew (disregarding his devil fruit powers). Prior to the time-skip Luffy managed to bring down a few Shichibukai, and he is far stronger now. In addition to this, as has already been mentioned, it would appear that none of Doflamingos subordinates are anywhere near as strong as the Strawhats or Law himself. This is just theorycrafting of course, but i strongly believe that both Luffy and Law is to be considered some of the strongest characters in the story right now. Mihawk is still above Zoro they still have a ways before they get to the top, if law was one of the strongest characters in the story he wouldnt have to go to such lengths to get a 30% chance to take down one of the emporers the pacifistas are not on kumas level the DF ability accounts for alot id say that luffy and law are around the level of the emporers second in commands there is still a ways to go before those guys get to stand on the level of the superpowers like the admirals and yonkou The devil fruit does not make up for the fact that Luffy destroyed a Pacifista in one hit. And even though the Yonkos and the Admirals are still stronger, Luffy and Law would still be among the top 10 strongest Characters, which i personally believe is pretty good. I disagree. If you want i can write you 10 characters who is stronger than law&luffy.
Well.. Top 10 might have been a bit exaggerated, but i still firmly believe that they are stronger, or at least on par with, anyone who is not an admiral or a Yonko or a high ranking subordinate of one, and maybe a few others.
But please - do name 10 characters that are stronger than Luffy and Law.
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4 yonkous, 7 old dude grandpas who are the elders or something, admirals, fleet admiral, doflamingo, like 12 whitebeard members, a bunch of high tier younkou subordinates, random op gov people, dragon, high tier dragon subordinates....
Also a bunch of supernovas are prolly around the same level.
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Speaking of the Admirals, I wonder when we will learn who the new ones are now. Akianu is now Fleet Admiral, and Aokiji quit, so that makes 2 open slots. And if they are capable of being an Admiral, they'd have to be really powerful.
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On January 31 2013 08:57 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 08:00 Mensol wrote:On January 31 2013 07:52 Prog455 wrote:On January 31 2013 07:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 07:01 Prog455 wrote:On January 31 2013 01:52 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 01:47 Krytha wrote:
Doflamingo was humbled a bit too quickly IMO. At the beginning of the arc he was untouchable, and all of a sudden getting ONE guy kidnapped and losing PH reduces him to nothing? Too many eggs in one basket guy. Hopefully we see him respond better next week / see that he has more tricks up his sleeve because he was supposed to be like some invincible mafia boss who could troll people everywhere and now hes just Kaidou's errand boy.
I like the idea of Kaidou being stacked and everything, but then its like all of the pre-TS scenes with Doflamingo plotting and looking like he owned shit would be wasted. this i would have liked to see doflamingo just laugh off laws threats Even though i would tend to agree that i had expected more from Doflamingo, i don't think any of the Shichibukai should be considered much of a threat anymore. Post time-skip Strawhats are insanely strong. Luffy managed to take down a Pacifista with a single blow, even though they are supposed to be almost as strong as Bartholomew (disregarding his devil fruit powers). Prior to the time-skip Luffy managed to bring down a few Shichibukai, and he is far stronger now. In addition to this, as has already been mentioned, it would appear that none of Doflamingos subordinates are anywhere near as strong as the Strawhats or Law himself. This is just theorycrafting of course, but i strongly believe that both Luffy and Law is to be considered some of the strongest characters in the story right now. Mihawk is still above Zoro they still have a ways before they get to the top, if law was one of the strongest characters in the story he wouldnt have to go to such lengths to get a 30% chance to take down one of the emporers the pacifistas are not on kumas level the DF ability accounts for alot id say that luffy and law are around the level of the emporers second in commands there is still a ways to go before those guys get to stand on the level of the superpowers like the admirals and yonkou The devil fruit does not make up for the fact that Luffy destroyed a Pacifista in one hit. And even though the Yonkos and the Admirals are still stronger, Luffy and Law would still be among the top 10 strongest Characters, which i personally believe is pretty good. I disagree. If you want i can write you 10 characters who is stronger than law&luffy. Well.. Top 10 might have been a bit exaggerated, but i still firmly believe that they are stronger, or at least on par with, anyone who is not an admiral or a Yonko or a high ranking subordinate of one, and maybe a few others. But please - do name 10 characters that are stronger than Luffy and Law.
Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Kizaru, Aokiji, BigMom, Kaido, Shanks, Benn Backmen, Marco, Rayleigh, Blackbeard, Mihawk, Dragon and look at grush57's post ^^
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The problem with power ranks in the One Piece universe is that the universe is based more on counters than on pure power. Like, Luffy is poor against swordsmen. He'd probably even lose 1v1 to Zoro, but he has been more effective than Zoro against many of the other enemies they've fought. So you've got a problem from the start.
However, if you were to still try putting together a power rank, for overall strength in the OP universe you'd have to look at the four yonko (Shanks, Blackbeard, Big Mam, Kaido) and three (original) admirals (Akainu, Kizaru, Akioji) first. Add in Dragon and you're up to eight very obvious powers. Rayleigh could handle Kizaru and is clearly a badass overall, so that makes nine. Mihawk has been named the greatest swordsman, so that's ten.
Then you can look to Garp, Sengoku, Kong, and the other marine elders. We don't really know their true fighting strength, maybe they're mostly just political figures now, but Garp smacked down Marco pretty easily and seemed somewhat confident in his ability to kill Akainu. Doflamingo may be afraid of Kaido is straight up power, but could still be in the top 10. We don't really know where Kuma ranks, but he has to be quite high. There are also vice admirals like Momonga, Strawberry, and Onigumo (my bet is he is now an admiral) who have yet to lose a battle. Also guys like Sentomaru and Magellan are very powerful considering that everyone either ran from them or lost to them. Then toss on some pirate captains (Kid, Hawkins, Drake, Apoo) and 2nd/3rd in command guys from the various pirate crews (Marco, Vista, Jozu or any of the blackbeard subordinates).
There's a huge list of very powerful people. Luffy is another one of those very powerful people now, but it hasn't been revealed how powerful. As is the way in One Piece, Luffy even lost a battle to Caesar Clown and if CC wasn't pulling his evil genius thing of dragging out his opponents' deaths, he could have easily killed off Luffy after that first fight.
It'd be very hard to put Luffy in the top 10.
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The problem with power ranks in the One Piece universe is that the universe is based more on counters than on pure power. Like, Luffy is poor against swordsmen. He'd probably even lose 1v1 to Zoro, but he has been more effective than Zoro against many of the other enemies they've fought. So you've got a problem from the start.
how do you figure that?
the only reason i can think taht is because hes immune to non-haki blunt force attacks but when has he actually fought someone who was unable to overcome that disadvantage?
Kuro had his sword claws, krieg had his exploding spear, arlong had his teeth, croc had his sand-sand attacks
the one piece universe is not based on counters
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There is quite a bit of speculation on here about Mihawk, but since Zoro trained with him I secretly think that Zoro is now stronger. They might have had a battle before Zoro left and I think Zoro may have bested him in some fashion. The eye that Zoro keeps shut could be a reference to that fight with the scar given to him by Mihawk or it could be that he chooses or can't open it until some conditions are met. A bit like that dude from bleach with the eye-patch but not the same.
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On January 31 2013 10:11 Zholistic wrote:
There is quite a bit of speculation on here about Mihawk, but since Zoro trained with him I secretly think that Zoro is now stronger. They might have had a battle before Zoro left and I think Zoro may have bested him in some fashion. The eye that Zoro keeps shut could be a reference to that fight with the scar given to him by Mihawk or it could be that he chooses or can't open it until some conditions are met. A bit like that dude from bleach with the eye-patch but not the same.
you think maybe he cant open it cause it got freaking cut out?
he has a huge scar running across it eye isnt it normal to assume that the eyes is gone?
also he only trained with mihawk for a couple years, you really think you can surpass the man teaching you in that short a time?
Zoro is still weaker then mihawk no doubt the manga would be boring otherwise
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On January 31 2013 10:11 Zholistic wrote:
There is quite a bit of speculation on here about Mihawk, but since Zoro trained with him I secretly think that Zoro is now stronger. They might have had a battle before Zoro left and I think Zoro may have bested him in some fashion. The eye that Zoro keeps shut could be a reference to that fight with the scar given to him by Mihawk or it could be that he chooses or can't open it until some conditions are met. A bit like that dude from bleach with the eye-patch but not the same.
I dont believe Zoro would beat Mihawk the strongest swordsman in the world off page...
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On January 31 2013 10:24 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 10:11 Zholistic wrote:
There is quite a bit of speculation on here about Mihawk, but since Zoro trained with him I secretly think that Zoro is now stronger. They might have had a battle before Zoro left and I think Zoro may have bested him in some fashion. The eye that Zoro keeps shut could be a reference to that fight with the scar given to him by Mihawk or it could be that he chooses or can't open it until some conditions are met. A bit like that dude from bleach with the eye-patch but not the same. I dont believe Zoro would beat Mihawk the strongest swordsman in the world off page...
At least, this sure isn't Nisioisin.
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you think maybe he cant open it cause it got freaking cut out?
he has a huge scar running across it eye isnt it normal to assume that the eyes is gone?
We know Zoro has the "lazy" doesn't use his full power until he needs to doesn't worry about where he's going type of attitude though. The one eye thing could be more training or he's too lazy to use his full power on weak dudes - intentionally putting himself at a disadvantage so they're not so weak to him.
If the eye was gone he could still open it. Takes effort to keep an eyelid shut even if you're missing the eyeball. Or maybe he will open it and that eye will be like Mihawks?
I dont believe Zoro would beat Mihawk the strongest swordsman in the world off page...
Yeah this would be weird. But there is definitely more backstory to the training that we haven't seen and I'm just speculating.
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On January 31 2013 11:57 Zholistic wrote:Show nested quote +you think maybe he cant open it cause it got freaking cut out?
he has a huge scar running across it eye isnt it normal to assume that the eyes is gone? We know Zoro has the "lazy" doesn't use his full power until he needs to doesn't worry about where he's going type of attitude though. The one eye thing could be more training or he's too lazy to use his full power on weak dudes - intentionally putting himself at a disadvantage so they're not so weak to him. If the eye was gone he could still open it. Takes effort to keep an eyelid shut even if you're missing the eyeball. Or maybe he will open it and that eye will be like Mihawks? Show nested quote +I dont believe Zoro would beat Mihawk the strongest swordsman in the world off page... Yeah this would be weird. But there is definitely more backstory to the training that we haven't seen and I'm just speculating.
its manga if someone is missing an eye its perma-closed to make it clear
if you read berserk you know what i mean if Zoro had his eye open people would think he could actually use it
theres a 90% chance that he only has one eye now
and a 9% chance that his other eye got supercharged and actually have 10 times the normal sight of his other eye
and a 1% chance it shoots lazer beams or other amgical ability now
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0.5% percent chance that he has unlocked the sharingan?
Ok I apologise for that. But I'm totes excited to see how Zoro and Mihawk's relationship changed throughout their 2 years together, since he was the reason for Zoro's whole journey previously (and possibly still is).
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On January 31 2013 07:52 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 07:42 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 07:01 Prog455 wrote:On January 31 2013 01:52 Forikorder wrote:On January 31 2013 01:47 Krytha wrote:
Doflamingo was humbled a bit too quickly IMO. At the beginning of the arc he was untouchable, and all of a sudden getting ONE guy kidnapped and losing PH reduces him to nothing? Too many eggs in one basket guy. Hopefully we see him respond better next week / see that he has more tricks up his sleeve because he was supposed to be like some invincible mafia boss who could troll people everywhere and now hes just Kaidou's errand boy.
I like the idea of Kaidou being stacked and everything, but then its like all of the pre-TS scenes with Doflamingo plotting and looking like he owned shit would be wasted. this i would have liked to see doflamingo just laugh off laws threats Even though i would tend to agree that i had expected more from Doflamingo, i don't think any of the Shichibukai should be considered much of a threat anymore. Post time-skip Strawhats are insanely strong. Luffy managed to take down a Pacifista with a single blow, even though they are supposed to be almost as strong as Bartholomew (disregarding his devil fruit powers). Prior to the time-skip Luffy managed to bring down a few Shichibukai, and he is far stronger now. In addition to this, as has already been mentioned, it would appear that none of Doflamingos subordinates are anywhere near as strong as the Strawhats or Law himself. This is just theorycrafting of course, but i strongly believe that both Luffy and Law is to be considered some of the strongest characters in the story right now. Mihawk is still above Zoro they still have a ways before they get to the top, if law was one of the strongest characters in the story he wouldnt have to go to such lengths to get a 30% chance to take down one of the emporers the pacifistas are not on kumas level the DF ability accounts for alot id say that luffy and law are around the level of the emporers second in commands there is still a ways to go before those guys get to stand on the level of the superpowers like the admirals and yonkou The devil fruit does not make up for the fact that Luffy destroyed a Pacifista in one hit. And even though the Yonkos and the Admirals are still stronger, Luffy and Law would still be among the top 10 strongest Characters, which i personally believe is pretty good.
Mihawk
4 emperors
Akainu
Aokij or however u spell it lol
Buddah man Sengoku?
Kuma
Dragon
That's 10 xD
But if we wait awhile, Luffy will be on that list eventually. But he's not there quite yet.
Could keep adding more names, Rayleigh, Blackbeard, Ligh admiral dude n ppl like that
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