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On January 31 2013 10:23 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 10:11 Zholistic wrote:
There is quite a bit of speculation on here about Mihawk, but since Zoro trained with him I secretly think that Zoro is now stronger. They might have had a battle before Zoro left and I think Zoro may have bested him in some fashion. The eye that Zoro keeps shut could be a reference to that fight with the scar given to him by Mihawk or it could be that he chooses or can't open it until some conditions are met. A bit like that dude from bleach with the eye-patch but not the same. you think maybe he cant open it cause it got freaking cut out? he has a huge scar running across it eye isnt it normal to assume that the eyes is gone? also he only trained with mihawk for a couple years, you really think you can surpass the man teaching you in that short a time? Zoro is still weaker then mihawk no doubt the manga would be boring otherwise
Flash did it.
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Why do Law's and Doflamingo's pirate symbols look so similar?
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On January 31 2013 13:39 RebelSlayer wrote:
Why do Law's and Doflamingo's pirate symbols look so similar?
Law used to be a subordinate in Doflamingo's gang. Used to work for them etc.
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Cool chapter, I've always like the touch on the dendenmushis also sort of showing the facial expression of the guy on the other line, as with law in this case keke (or at least the face reflects the kind of tone/atmosphere of the conversant)
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On January 31 2013 10:08 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +The problem with power ranks in the One Piece universe is that the universe is based more on counters than on pure power. Like, Luffy is poor against swordsmen. He'd probably even lose 1v1 to Zoro, but he has been more effective than Zoro against many of the other enemies they've fought. So you've got a problem from the start. how do you figure that? the only reason i can think taht is because hes immune to non-haki blunt force attacks but when has he actually fought someone who was unable to overcome that disadvantage? Kuro had his sword claws, krieg had his exploding spear, arlong had his teeth, croc had his sand-sand attacks the one piece universe is not based on counters
hmm? What was Enel vs Luffy and Moria vs Jimbei?
i'd bet that strong swordsmans like Vista can beat Luffy.
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Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something.
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On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something.
its kind of his counter becuse he fights with hes body (wich sanji does as well but anyway), its not really a hard counter but its alot easier to fight luffy with something sharp
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On January 31 2013 22:21 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. its kind of his counter becuse he fights with hes body (wich sanji does as well but anyway), its not really a hard counter but its alot easier to fight luffy with something sharp
Its alot easier to fight anyone with something sharp
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On January 31 2013 22:23 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 22:21 DODswe4 wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. its kind of his counter becuse he fights with hes body (wich sanji does as well but anyway), its not really a hard counter but its alot easier to fight luffy with something sharp Its alot easier to fight anyone with something sharp
not really, enel for instance you would be better off with a rubber baseball bat. not to talk about guns should be better then swords in general (not always in mangas thou)
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On January 31 2013 22:28 DODswe4 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 22:23 Sentenal wrote:On January 31 2013 22:21 DODswe4 wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. its kind of his counter becuse he fights with hes body (wich sanji does as well but anyway), its not really a hard counter but its alot easier to fight luffy with something sharp Its alot easier to fight anyone with something sharp not really, enel for instance you would be better off with a rubber baseball bat. not to talk about guns should be better then swords in general (not always in mangas thou)
Are you being serious? In case you are being serious, which would be better against Enel: something blunt that doesn't conduct electricity or something sharp that doesn't conduct electricity?
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On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something.
I'm pretty sure Haki can block swords from non-haki users as well.
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On January 31 2013 23:19 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 22:28 DODswe4 wrote:On January 31 2013 22:23 Sentenal wrote:On January 31 2013 22:21 DODswe4 wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. its kind of his counter becuse he fights with hes body (wich sanji does as well but anyway), its not really a hard counter but its alot easier to fight luffy with something sharp Its alot easier to fight anyone with something sharp not really, enel for instance you would be better off with a rubber baseball bat. not to talk about guns should be better then swords in general (not always in mangas thou) Are you being serious? In case you are being serious, which would be better against Enel: something blunt that doesn't conduct electricity or something sharp that doesn't conduct electricity?
Obviously it doesn't matter if it's brunt or sharp or if it's a conductor or not, nothing can even come close to Enel with his extended mantra range. He would nuke dabizzle out of you before you come within 10mile to get a sight on him physically. Not to mention he can move at speed of lightning, how are you ganna chase him down while trying to dodge the thunderbolt that shoots down at you at speed of lightning with 10godrillion volts? He's the most broken character Oda ever created, his only undoing was his arrogance. And now that he has Maxim the space ship that can travel to the moon which is also a weapon of mass destruction that is capable of destroying the entirety of sky island, he is truly a god among men, and the most overpower weapon in one piece universe. Hell if he really wants, he can park that Maxim in orbit and send down orbital lightning strikes down to earth, there is no one else capable of space travel, wtf are they ganna do? Haki haki and more haki? no amount of haki can even touch Enel if he stays in orbit.
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On January 31 2013 19:42 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 10:08 Forikorder wrote:The problem with power ranks in the One Piece universe is that the universe is based more on counters than on pure power. Like, Luffy is poor against swordsmen. He'd probably even lose 1v1 to Zoro, but he has been more effective than Zoro against many of the other enemies they've fought. So you've got a problem from the start. how do you figure that? the only reason i can think taht is because hes immune to non-haki blunt force attacks but when has he actually fought someone who was unable to overcome that disadvantage? Kuro had his sword claws, krieg had his exploding spear, arlong had his teeth, croc had his sand-sand attacks the one piece universe is not based on counters hmm? What was Enel vs Luffy and Moria vs Jimbei? i'd bet that strong swordsmans like Vista can beat Luffy.
Jimbei can counter Morias zombies and only when there near a source of salt water, fushman Karate is no more effective then Morias normal shadow abilities then any other form of attack
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On February 01 2013 01:10 rei wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 23:19 Sentenal wrote:On January 31 2013 22:28 DODswe4 wrote:On January 31 2013 22:23 Sentenal wrote:On January 31 2013 22:21 DODswe4 wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. its kind of his counter becuse he fights with hes body (wich sanji does as well but anyway), its not really a hard counter but its alot easier to fight luffy with something sharp Its alot easier to fight anyone with something sharp not really, enel for instance you would be better off with a rubber baseball bat. not to talk about guns should be better then swords in general (not always in mangas thou) Are you being serious? In case you are being serious, which would be better against Enel: something blunt that doesn't conduct electricity or something sharp that doesn't conduct electricity? Obviously it doesn't matter if it's brunt or sharp or if it's a conductor or not, nothing can even come close to Enel with his extended mantra range. He would nuke dabizzle out of you before you come within 10mile to get a sight on him physically. Not to mention he can move at speed of lightning, how are you ganna chase him down while trying to dodge the thunderbolt that shoots down at you at speed of lightning with 10godrillion volts? He's the most broken character Oda ever created, his only undoing was his arrogance. And now that he has Maxim the space ship that can travel to the moon which is also a weapon of mass destruction that is capable of destroying the entirety of sky island, he is truly a god among men, and the most overpower weapon in one piece universe. Hell if he really wants, he can park that Maxim in orbit and send down orbital lightning strikes down to earth, there is no one else capable of space travel, wtf are they ganna do? Haki haki and more haki? no amount of haki can even touch Enel if he stays in orbit.
Thats cool, no one was talking about how strong Enel is, but thanks for pointing all that out.
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On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something.
exactly.
its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks.
he can still hit them as well.
its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman.
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On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman.
No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2.
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On February 01 2013 03:49 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman. No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2.
which is why Kuro, Buggy and Croc managed to take off so many of his limbs
OWAIT
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On February 01 2013 03:49 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman. No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2.
Thats no different than anyone fighting a swordsman barehanded. It isn't any "weakness" uniquely inherent to Luffy that a normal person wouldn't have. All it means is you can't stretch around wrecklessly. Which, btw, is also true in any situation/fight ever.
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On February 01 2013 03:56 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 03:49 nitram wrote:On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman. No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2. Thats no different than anyone fighting a swordsman barehanded. It isn't any "weakness" uniquely inherent to Luffy that a normal person wouldn't have. All it means is you can't stretch around wrecklessly. Which, btw, is also true in any situation/fight ever.
It is "weakness" uniquely inherent to Luffy. If hes stretching then hes a bigger target. All it means is he can't stretch around wrecklessly. Which, btw, is also true in any situation/fight ever, except that if he does it against a swordsman, he loses a limb? So its not the same, lol
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On February 01 2013 03:53 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 03:49 nitram wrote:On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman. No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2. which is why Kuro, Buggy and Croc managed to take off so many of his limbs OWAIT
Kuro had claws
Buggy is a weakling who gets by only with the aid of his devil fruit.
Croc has a hook
you derp
And what about when luffy fought milhawk, he couldn't do anything.
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