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On February 01 2013 08:40 RenSC2 wrote:Haha, ooops, look what I started. Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 03:56 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2013 03:49 nitram wrote:On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman. No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2. Thats no different than anyone fighting a swordsman barehanded. It isn't any "weakness" uniquely inherent to Luffy that a normal person wouldn't have. All it means is you can't stretch around wrecklessly. Which, btw, is also true in any situation/fight ever. The reason why I said Luffy's natural enemy is a swordsman is exactly for that reason. Luffy has always fought recklessly. He flings out arms, legs, and other parts of his body relying largely on his speed. Against a swordsman that can actually keep up with his speed, he'd have to seriously change his fighting style. Even as far back as Captain Kuro, Luffy should have easily lost an arm if not for Kuro trying to show off: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/37/6 Or if you look at his brief battle against Hyouzou (octopus swordsman in Hordy's crew), Luffy is poisoned when he strikes Hyouzou early in the arc. Hyouzou isn't a match for Zoro even with energy steroid powerup, but would have potentially been deadly to Luffy if he hadn't gone through the ordeal with Magellan. I can't think of a true swordsman since Kuro that he's beaten (other than fodder). Many of his enemies have slashing/piercing attacks, but the true swordsmen have been left to Zoro since that point (except for when Mihawk was easily superior to Luffy). If you look at the Strawhat crew, perhaps only Sanji is as vulnerable to swords as Luffy. Nami can use her mirages and long range attacks without making herself vulnerable and has a staff to deflect sword attacks. Usopp can run and use long range attacks without being vulnerable. Franky has a body that can take sword blows. Robin can sprout and dissolve arms wherever she wants to get under a swordsman's guard and stop/disarm him. Chopper has his horns that can guard against sword attacks (also guard-point?). Zoro and Brook both have swords. Only Luffy and Sanji really have to put themselves in a vulnerable spot to strike a swordsman.
So are you saying you don't think Luffy could have beaten, for instance, Kaku? Luffy hasn't fought sword people, not because he avoids them, but because of plot convenience (its more interesting for Zoro to).
Anyway, my point isn't that Luffy is fine against swordsmen, its that Luffy isn't any weaker to a swordsman than any normal person who fights with their barehands (or feet).
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The real weakness of luffy to a df user is when the df user manages to remove his ability to be elastic. Although not a direct natural counter per se, the two i can think off is aokiji and crocodile.
I would also argue that his real weakness should be extreme heat (ace and akainu) bef when rubber is heated to point, it should melt. Although i doubt luffy would melt in the manga. The author could make it so that luffy actually becomes unable to recoil/retract back when subjected to extreme heat, kind of like how when he couldnt control his df as a kid.
This is i think what luffy's natural counter is.
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every major enemy Luffy fought had some kind of sharp weapon. Buggy:Knives, Kuro:Claws, Krieg:Lancer, Arlong:Nose/Sword/Teeth, Crocodile:motherfucking sand, Enel:spear, Lucci:Shigan
saying Luffy is weak to swords is like saying Zoro is weak to dying
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On February 01 2013 09:19 17Sphynx17 wrote:
The real weakness of luffy to a df user is when the df user manages to remove his ability to be elastic. Although not a direct natural counter per se, the two i can think off is aokiji and crocodile.
I would also argue that his real weakness should be extreme heat (ace and akainu) bef when rubber is heated to point, it should melt. Although i doubt luffy would melt in the manga. The author could make it so that luffy actually becomes unable to recoil/retract back when subjected to extreme heat, kind of like how when he couldnt control his df as a kid.
This is i think what luffy's natural counter is.
Or Bleackbeard.
Y'know, the guy who has a fruit with the power of disabling fruits.
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On February 01 2013 07:24 nitram wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 06:00 grush57 wrote:On February 01 2013 05:51 nitram wrote:On February 01 2013 03:53 Forikorder wrote:On February 01 2013 03:49 nitram wrote:On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman. No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2. which is why Kuro, Buggy and Croc managed to take off so many of his limbs OWAIT Kuro had claws Buggy is a weakling who gets by only with the aid of his devil fruit. Croc has a hook you derp And what about when luffy fought milhawk, he couldn't do anything. yea those are also all sharp btw Because you are going to cut something with claws and a hook, rather then scratch/pierce it? Theres was reason zoro was added so quickly.
Kuro practically never did stabs he pretty much only did slashs
On February 01 2013 08:40 RenSC2 wrote:Haha, ooops, look what I started. Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 03:56 Sentenal wrote:On February 01 2013 03:49 nitram wrote:On February 01 2013 01:53 KalWarkov wrote:On January 31 2013 22:18 Sentenal wrote:
Luffy is "weak" to swords because he isn't invulnerable to them like blunt attacks. ..Which makes Luffy as weak to swords as practically anyone else who isn't made out of steel, or a logia, or something. So I dunno why everyone has it in their heads that swords hard-counter him or something. exactly. its all about speed / avoiding and landing attacks. he can still hit them as well. its no different from any other guy who faces a swordsman. No its not, its far worse because there is more of him to cut and luffy 99% of the time attacks with his body. Every time he stretches, a swordsman can come and just cut his arm into 2. Thats no different than anyone fighting a swordsman barehanded. It isn't any "weakness" uniquely inherent to Luffy that a normal person wouldn't have. All it means is you can't stretch around wrecklessly. Which, btw, is also true in any situation/fight ever. The reason why I said Luffy's natural enemy is a swordsman is exactly for that reason. Luffy has always fought recklessly. He flings out arms, legs, and other parts of his body relying largely on his speed. Against a swordsman that can actually keep up with his speed, he'd have to seriously change his fighting style. Even as far back as Captain Kuro, Luffy should have easily lost an arm if not for Kuro trying to show off: http://www.manga-access.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/37/6 Or if you look at his brief battle against Hyouzou (octopus swordsman in Hordy's crew), Luffy is poisoned when he strikes Hyouzou early in the arc. Hyouzou isn't a match for Zoro even with energy steroid powerup, but would have potentially been deadly to Luffy if he hadn't gone through the ordeal with Magellan. I can't think of a true swordsman since Kuro that he's beaten (other than fodder). Many of his enemies have slashing/piercing attacks, but the true swordsmen have been left to Zoro since that point (except for when Mihawk was easily superior to Luffy). If you look at the Strawhat crew, perhaps only Sanji is as vulnerable to swords as Luffy. Nami can use her mirages and long range attacks without making herself vulnerable and has a staff to deflect sword attacks. Usopp can run and use long range attacks without being vulnerable. Franky has a body that can take sword blows. Robin can sprout and dissolve arms wherever she wants to get under a swordsman's guard and stop/disarm him. Chopper has his horns that can guard against sword attacks (also guard-point?). Zoro and Brook both have swords. Only Luffy and Sanji really have to put themselves in a vulnerable spot to strike a swordsman.
Kuro should ahv been fast enough to pretty one shot luffy from the get go
its jsut logic, if you face a swordsman whos faster then you and strong enough to cut you it doesnt matter how much surface area you have the swordsman dodges your attacks and cuts you
The real weakness of luffy to a df user is when the df user manages to remove his ability to be elastic. Although not a direct natural counter per se, the two i can think off is aokiji and crocodile.
I would also argue that his real weakness should be extreme heat (ace and akainu) bef when rubber is heated to point, it should melt. Although i doubt luffy would melt in the manga. The author could make it so that luffy actually becomes unable to recoil/retract back when subjected to extreme heat, kind of like how when he couldnt control his df as a kid.
This is i think what luffy's natural counter is.
now im no scientist, but im pretty sure the level of heat needed to melt rubber is also fatal to human beings so
Or Bleackbeard.
Y'know, the guy who has a fruit with the power of disabling fruits.
blackbeards fruit basically jsut makes all his attacks have Haki since it disables the fruit and lets him hit them normally, since he has to be touching the person for it to work it wont stop luffys offense
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On February 01 2013 10:40 Zephirdd wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 01 2013 09:19 17Sphynx17 wrote:
The real weakness of luffy to a df user is when the df user manages to remove his ability to be elastic. Although not a direct natural counter per se, the two i can think off is aokiji and crocodile.
I would also argue that his real weakness should be extreme heat (ace and akainu) bef when rubber is heated to point, it should melt. Although i doubt luffy would melt in the manga. The author could make it so that luffy actually becomes unable to recoil/retract back when subjected to extreme heat, kind of like how when he couldnt control his df as a kid.
This is i think what luffy's natural counter is. Or Bleackbeard. Y'know, the guy who has a fruit with the power of disabling fruits.
True true, but I think basically Blackbeard just hard counters every DF as long as you don't consider Haki potential/power/use yet.
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Anyone wonder just how strong Buggy's crew is now ? He's got a ton of beasts from Impel Down in his group now, probably one of the weakest members besides his original underlings in his own crew now.
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oh shit thing's gonna happen!
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On February 03 2013 03:53 absalom86 wrote:
Anyone wonder just how strong Buggy's crew is now ? He's got a ton of beasts from Impel Down in his group now, probably one of the weakest members besides his original underlings in his own crew now.
I like Buggy. Does anyone else think that he will be there till the end? He's been with Luffy a long time. Coby should be a safe guess, too.
Sometimes I like to think of Buggy as a "Gollum" character. He probably is more of a good guy than his LOTR brother but he's also very selfish, has a strong connection to the main character (Frodo / Luffy) and with some luck his selfish intentions might turn into something good.
And he's had some good luck recently.
Which "ring" is Buggy going to drop when he tries to steal it from Luffy?
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On February 05 2013 16:45 shirtman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2013 03:53 absalom86 wrote:
Anyone wonder just how strong Buggy's crew is now ? He's got a ton of beasts from Impel Down in his group now, probably one of the weakest members besides his original underlings in his own crew now. I like Buggy. Does anyone else think that he will be there till the end? He's been with Luffy a long time. Coby should be a safe guess, too. Sometimes I like to think of Buggy as a "Gollum" character. He probably is more of a good guy than his LOTR brother but he's also very selfish, has a strong connection to the main character (Frodo / Luffy) and with some luck his selfish intentions might turn into something good. And he's had some good luck recently. Which "ring" is Buggy going to drop when he tries to steal it from Luffy?
His crew is actually pretty decent imo. He did get a lot of guys from Impel Down including #3 who is actually very strong. He sure gave the strawhats a run for their money.
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MOD EDIT: Spoilered the Spoiler.
+ Show Spoiler +It's confirmed that the shadowly figure is Aokiji.
Man DD beat up Smoker pretty badly.
User was warned for this post
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Thanks for posting spoilers before the chapter is released
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Seriously. There's no reason to post a spoiler in a thread that people don't post until reading the actual chapter that is released.
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wow thanks for the spoilers asshole.
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Quality Chapter, there is for the doubters of doflamingo, even Smoker is afraid of him, and it shows why!!!
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+ Show Spoiler +I squealed like a girl for most of that chapter. So many good things. Tonnes of info, funny character interactions, more backstory and great setup.
I wish Smoker would hold his own more though. He definitely doesn't seem to be of Luffy's level =(
That said they've gotta show how strong Doflamingo is. Conquerors haki pretty boss, but I think he's going to be the first big takedown of the new world given all this and their trek to Drerossa.
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Shiiiit Doflamingo is strong  And now Aokiji arrived... will they really clash? I personally don't think so. Even if Doflamingo is able to beat Aokiji (which I don't think he is) the fight would be too exhausting to follow the strawhats and law which is his priority right now. And Kuzan isn't the type of person who forces fights. But it was such a good chapter! I have to read it again and again now until my eyes bleed. *__*
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haha if its one guy who can own doflamingo its aokiji. I think doflamingo will flee the scene.
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FFFFFFFUUCCCCKK A AA BREAK!?!?!!?
GODDAMMIT
Just as he comes on the scene.
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