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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
December 30 2012 10:15 GMT
#5481
Y I always thought that it was Kuma using his Pressure Canon to create that path, well maybe it was Dragon
Sindriss
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark263 Posts
December 30 2012 10:47 GMT
#5482
It would make sense that if he had some storm related fruit, he could produce lightning just like nami can with her weatherstick by manipulating the different factors that produce lightning.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 30 2012 10:55 GMT
#5483
On December 30 2012 19:15 AsnSensation wrote:
Y I always thought that it was Kuma using his Pressure Canon to create that path, well maybe it was Dragon

Kuma wasn't a cyborg back when he was under Dragon, at least I don't think so. Afterall, Vegapunk (who made him into a cyborg) works for the government, so I assumed the addition of cyborg parts started after he became Shichibukai.

(If you are talking about Kuma using his Devil Fruit here, and not his cyborg armaments, disregard this lol)
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
December 30 2012 11:03 GMT
#5484
On December 30 2012 19:55 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 19:15 AsnSensation wrote:
Y I always thought that it was Kuma using his Pressure Canon to create that path, well maybe it was Dragon

Kuma wasn't a cyborg back when he was under Dragon, at least I don't think so. Afterall, Vegapunk (who made him into a cyborg) works for the government, so I assumed the addition of cyborg parts started after he became Shichibukai.

(If you are talking about Kuma using his Devil Fruit here, and not his cyborg armaments, disregard this lol)

Pressure cannon, not lazor cannon :p
In the woods, there lurks..
mokumoku
Profile Joined January 2012
157 Posts
December 30 2012 12:03 GMT
#5485
What's this pressure cannon thing? I don't remember it.

But if it's one of his fruits abilities wouldn't you see a paw print on the ground or something?
b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
December 30 2012 14:05 GMT
#5486


LOL it's confirmed. look at them wind effects. Dragon has a wind/weather based DF
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 30 2012 14:18 GMT
#5487
its not that much luck, Buggy was standing at a very elevated position holding a metal sword over his head hed attract every lightning bolt from all over town
Zeo1990
Profile Joined October 2011
United States132 Posts
December 31 2012 01:51 GMT
#5488
I think the fire clearing was more likely then not a hell-blink from Ivan, the hormone-dude. It was a clear and narrow shock-wave that blew through the fire in that scene. So it was most likely him.

Honestly i think its a little soon to be calling exactly what kind of power Dragon has if any...i mean I am sure his strong but i VERY much doubt its his fighting strength that gives him the "Worlds Most Wanted Man" title. I have a feeling its more to do with him being an incredibly charismatic leader and raising the revolutionary army in general. Like in this scene about Luffy from Mihawk's perspective:



I am sure Dragon is hella strong but i get the feeling his real power is what he also passed to Luffy. It takes a lot of convincing to persuade someone to 100% rebel against the World Government. And Don't forget that Robin got a 78million bounty for her "crime" of knowing a certain language.

Not to say that bolt of lightning that saved Luffy back in Loguetown isn't Dragon/Revolutionaries but this bit shouldn't be ignored either...

Hes like the polar-opposite of Hitler =p
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 31 2012 04:33 GMT
#5489
On December 31 2012 10:51 Zeo1990 wrote:
I think the fire clearing was more likely then not a hell-blink from Ivan, the hormone-dude. It was a clear and narrow shock-wave that blew through the fire in that scene. So it was most likely him.

Honestly i think its a little soon to be calling exactly what kind of power Dragon has if any...i mean I am sure his strong but i VERY much doubt its his fighting strength that gives him the "Worlds Most Wanted Man" title. I have a feeling its more to do with him being an incredibly charismatic leader and raising the revolutionary army in general. Like in this scene about Luffy from Mihawk's perspective:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNwSOFCBPd0

I am sure Dragon is hella strong but i get the feeling his real power is what he also passed to Luffy. It takes a lot of convincing to persuade someone to 100% rebel against the World Government. And Don't forget that Robin got a 78million bounty for her "crime" of knowing a certain language.

Not to say that bolt of lightning that saved Luffy back in Loguetown isn't Dragon/Revolutionaries but this bit shouldn't be ignored either...

Hes like the polar-opposite of Hitler =p

if this was RL youd have a point but in manga the leader of a faction is always a demi-god
mokumoku
Profile Joined January 2012
157 Posts
January 01 2013 01:46 GMT
#5490
If it was ivankovs hell wink then there should be an explosion.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 01 2013 03:01 GMT
#5491
Maybe it was haki that cleared that fire. Afterall, Oda never said it wasn't.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
January 01 2013 03:09 GMT
#5492
On December 30 2012 06:26 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 23:19 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 28 2012 18:27 Sentenal wrote:
I'd bet on Dragon having a Storm Devil Fruit. Just wind seems kinda lame, while having complete control over Storms would make him one of the most dangerous people in a seafaring world.

I'm pretty sure that a wind logia would be far better than a storm paramecia, infact if I were able to have any fruit power I'd pick wind logia hands down

Who said anything about a Storm Paramecia?

You did, and please don't say that a storm fruit could be a logia
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 03:43:19
January 01 2013 03:42 GMT
#5493
On January 01 2013 12:09 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 06:26 Sentenal wrote:
On December 28 2012 23:19 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 28 2012 18:27 Sentenal wrote:
I'd bet on Dragon having a Storm Devil Fruit. Just wind seems kinda lame, while having complete control over Storms would make him one of the most dangerous people in a seafaring world.

I'm pretty sure that a wind logia would be far better than a storm paramecia, infact if I were able to have any fruit power I'd pick wind logia hands down

Who said anything about a Storm Paramecia?

You did, and please don't say that a storm fruit could be a logia

I never said Paramecia, don't put words in my mouth. I said Storm Fruit. I have no clue how you could possibly miss-read that as "Paramecia", but whatever. Plus, we already have shit Ice, Smoke, Mud, Magma, and Sand as Logia, so I don't see why a Storm couldn't be a Logia.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 04:24:01
January 01 2013 04:22 GMT
#5494
The problem with storm being a Logia is that Storm is a bunch of different elements. It would be Aokoji, Enel and Monet plus other elements like wind and water. If it were Paramecia it would be following the Whitebeard example of a really strong nature based fruit that does not allow the user to actually become the element. It's a much stronger argument that a Storm based fruit would be Paramecia than Logia in my opinion as it would just be too weird to be able to transform into Storm element.

If it were Logia it would probably just be wind. It could just be wind as it is possible Buggy was just acting as a lightning rod with his sword, but Dragon still summoned the storm with his wind. We still haven't seen Dragon use lightning outside of Loguetown after all.

The third argument, which I believe, is the mythical zoan making Dragon an Eastern style Dragon that can control the elements.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-01 04:40:36
January 01 2013 04:30 GMT
#5495
On January 01 2013 13:22 BlackMagister wrote:
The problem with storm being a Logia is that Storm is a bunch of different elements. It would be Aokoji, Enel and Monet plus other elements like wind and water. It would also be following the Whitebeard example of a really strong nature based fruit that does not allow the user to actually become the element. It's a much stronger argument that a Storm based fruit would be Paramecia than Logia.

If it were Logia it would probably just be wind. It could just be wind as it is possible Buggy was just acting as a lightning rod with his sword, but Dragon still summoned the storm with his wind. We still haven't seen Dragon use lightning outside of Loguetown after all.

The third argument, which I believe, is the mythical zoan making Dragon an Eastern style Dragon that can control the elements.

It COULD be either. I've said this multiple times. It COULD be a Logia, it COULD be a Paramecia. I've never said it has to be one or the other.

And we plus, we have had Logia being able to do tons of different shit before. Crocodile, with his Sand Fruit was able to create a Sandstorm in the palm of his hand and send it out. With his Sand Fruit he could drain the moisture out of stuff.

Is Smoke too weird of an element? Tons of things could be associated with that. Tons of things could be associated with practically all of the Logia fruits we have seen.

And although you are right about there being snow storms and stuff, that isn't really what I'm talking about. I'm just talking about normal storms, you know, wind, rain, lightning. So if anything it would just be overlap with Enel, but Magma and Fire overlaps too, so its fine.

To reiterate, I'm not saying it has to be Logia, and I'm not saying it has to be Paramecia. It could feasibly be either one.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 01 2013 05:20 GMT
#5496
On January 01 2013 13:30 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 13:22 BlackMagister wrote:
The problem with storm being a Logia is that Storm is a bunch of different elements. It would be Aokoji, Enel and Monet plus other elements like wind and water. It would also be following the Whitebeard example of a really strong nature based fruit that does not allow the user to actually become the element. It's a much stronger argument that a Storm based fruit would be Paramecia than Logia.

If it were Logia it would probably just be wind. It could just be wind as it is possible Buggy was just acting as a lightning rod with his sword, but Dragon still summoned the storm with his wind. We still haven't seen Dragon use lightning outside of Loguetown after all.

The third argument, which I believe, is the mythical zoan making Dragon an Eastern style Dragon that can control the elements.

It COULD be either. I've said this multiple times. It COULD be a Logia, it COULD be a Paramecia. I've never said it has to be one or the other.

And we plus, we have had Logia being able to do tons of different shit before. Crocodile, with his Sand Fruit was able to create a Sandstorm in the palm of his hand and send it out. With his Sand Fruit he could drain the moisture out of stuff.

Is Smoke too weird of an element? Tons of things could be associated with that. Tons of things could be associated with practically all of the Logia fruits we have seen.

And although you are right about there being snow storms and stuff, that isn't really what I'm talking about. I'm just talking about normal storms, you know, wind, rain, lightning. So if anything it would just be overlap with Enel, but Magma and Fire overlaps too, so its fine.

To reiterate, I'm not saying it has to be Logia, and I'm not saying it has to be Paramecia. It could feasibly be either one.

the difference is if someones a storm then waht do they turn into when stuff passes through them? stroms take many many different faces Logias are always one thing, wether its sand, ice, snow or smoke

even if they can use there element to make different things happen there element never can actually create many different things, even though Croc could make a tornado with his sand sand powers he did it using a knowledge of the geagraphy of the land and making a small one to act as a cataclyst he couldnt create a sandstorm as big as the ones that hit yuba on the fly

if Dragon was a storm logia then his element would be every element, wind, water, snow, ice, lightning, it would be completely different frome very other logia

magma and fire are similar, but a storm logia would be the exact same as multiple different fruits at the same time
b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
January 01 2013 05:21 GMT
#5497
Akainu's fruit could spawn earth if the magma cools down. Aokiji could spawn water if the ice melts. Lots of convenient shit

Dragon being a wind logia means he could control the stratosphere
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 01 2013 05:23 GMT
#5498
On January 01 2013 14:21 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Akainu's fruit could spawn earth if the magma cools down. Aokiji could spawn water if the ice melts. Lots of convenient shit

Dragon being a wind logia means he could control the stratosphere


akainu could technically spawn earth but he wouldnt be able to control the earth and it would take hella long to cool down (hell it mgiht even magically disapear after it stops being magma who fucking knows with DFs)

dont see how any of that would be convenient though... theyd have to wait a long time (ice to melt magma to cool) and all theyd get for there patience is a lump of rock and a puddle
b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
January 01 2013 05:35 GMT
#5499
On January 01 2013 14:23 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 14:21 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Akainu's fruit could spawn earth if the magma cools down. Aokiji could spawn water if the ice melts. Lots of convenient shit

Dragon being a wind logia means he could control the stratosphere


akainu could technically spawn earth but he wouldnt be able to control the earth and it would take hella long to cool down (hell it mgiht even magically disapear after it stops being magma who fucking knows with DFs)

dont see how any of that would be convenient though... theyd have to wait a long time (ice to melt magma to cool) and all theyd get for there patience is a lump of rock and a puddle


Punk hazard
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
January 01 2013 05:36 GMT
#5500
On January 01 2013 14:35 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2013 14:23 Forikorder wrote:
On January 01 2013 14:21 b3n3tt3 wrote:
Akainu's fruit could spawn earth if the magma cools down. Aokiji could spawn water if the ice melts. Lots of convenient shit

Dragon being a wind logia means he could control the stratosphere


akainu could technically spawn earth but he wouldnt be able to control the earth and it would take hella long to cool down (hell it mgiht even magically disapear after it stops being magma who fucking knows with DFs)

dont see how any of that would be convenient though... theyd have to wait a long time (ice to melt magma to cool) and all theyd get for there patience is a lump of rock and a puddle


Punk hazard

punk hazard (the ever burning ever freezing island) seems the anti-thesis to your "well akainu can make earth when his magma cools and Akainu can make water when his ice melts"

also i fail to see how Punk Hazard is in any way convenient
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