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This is a thread that is dedicated to discussing One Piece. Do not read this thread if you are not currently caught up as there are spoilers in here.

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Krytha
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada140 Posts
December 29 2012 19:31 GMT
#5461
The designs actually do look the same. Mihawks coat clearly has a flower pattern that repeats. Rayleigh's coat is a little more fuzzy, but it looks like circles with flower frills drawn by a six year old. But if you look closely, it still could be the same coat. The overall design is the same.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1061 Posts
December 29 2012 20:44 GMT
#5462
It had me going and seemed like a solid theory for awhile. I even questioned if Mihawk was another part of Roger's crew which may explain the friendly rivalry, respect, and mutual training with Shanks. However, take a look at the sleeves. Mihawk has pattern sleeves while Rayleigh has solid sleeves. Unless we find out that the cloak is inside out or has been altered, it has to be a different cloak.

It's a shame, i thought you had found another awesomely subtle hint.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 29 2012 21:26 GMT
#5463
On December 28 2012 23:19 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 18:27 Sentenal wrote:
I'd bet on Dragon having a Storm Devil Fruit. Just wind seems kinda lame, while having complete control over Storms would make him one of the most dangerous people in a seafaring world.

I'm pretty sure that a wind logia would be far better than a storm paramecia, infact if I were able to have any fruit power I'd pick wind logia hands down

Who said anything about a Storm Paramecia?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2540 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 00:18:04
December 30 2012 00:16 GMT
#5464
On December 30 2012 06:26 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 23:19 Scaramanga wrote:
On December 28 2012 18:27 Sentenal wrote:
I'd bet on Dragon having a Storm Devil Fruit. Just wind seems kinda lame, while having complete control over Storms would make him one of the most dangerous people in a seafaring world.

I'm pretty sure that a wind logia would be far better than a storm paramecia, infact if I were able to have any fruit power I'd pick wind logia hands down

Who said anything about a Storm Paramecia?

Can't Japanese dragons manipulate storms? Maybe Dragon has the original dragon fruit that vegapunk copied?

edit: Here's a website on it.
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mokumoku
Profile Joined January 2012
157 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 05:05:00
December 30 2012 05:03 GMT
#5465


Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 05:06:48
December 30 2012 05:05 GMT
#5466
On December 30 2012 14:03 mokumoku wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVVOydnDEI

Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.

i dunno Dragons pretty badass could jsut be a normal punch

but no probably some sort of weather related fruit i dont think its going to be a dragon though
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 30 2012 05:11 GMT
#5467
On December 30 2012 14:03 mokumoku wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVVOydnDEI

Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.

You realize that storms by their very nature involve wind, right?
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 05:19:27
December 30 2012 05:16 GMT
#5468
Yeah, I don't think Dragon has a "wind" logia (Caesar's logia is basically that, as he showed by being able to control normal air and suffocate folks as well as other gases). It might be a wind/weather Paramecia, or as others have said a mythical zoan with weather/wind powers.

Say what you will about Logia's being overpowered, being able to control all versions of weather is really powerful. Calling down lightning or torrential downpours is quite a power when the entire world runs on naval strength.
Remember Violet.
mokumoku
Profile Joined January 2012
157 Posts
December 30 2012 05:17 GMT
#5469
On December 30 2012 14:11 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 14:03 mokumoku wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVVOydnDEI

Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.

You realize that storms by their very nature involve wind, right?


or another fruit which can control wind

though you might be right since he controlled lightning as well to hit buggy when he was about to execute luffy.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
December 30 2012 05:21 GMT
#5470
On December 30 2012 14:17 mokumoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 14:11 Sentenal wrote:
On December 30 2012 14:03 mokumoku wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVVOydnDEI

Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.

You realize that storms by their very nature involve wind, right?


or another fruit which can control wind

though you might be right since he controlled lightning as well to hit buggy when he was about to execute luffy.

not neccesarily Luffys got the devils own luck

i dont think that Dragon having a wind DF would be that similar to Caeser Caesers ability to control air is very limited
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 05:25:37
December 30 2012 05:23 GMT
#5471
On December 30 2012 14:17 mokumoku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 14:11 Sentenal wrote:
On December 30 2012 14:03 mokumoku wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVVOydnDEI

Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.

You realize that storms by their very nature involve wind, right?


or another fruit which can control wind

though you might be right since he controlled lightning as well to hit buggy when he was about to execute luffy.

Yeah, Loguetown is what makes me think its a Storm fruit the most. Luffy is in trouble, a big ass storm rolls in, Buggy conveniently gets struck by lightning right before he would have killed Luffy, Dragon saves Luffy from Smoker, and the storm helps the Strawhats to get away (Marine's gunpowder got soaked, tailwind for sailing, etc). That is a whole lot of coincidences all piled up on top of each other.

And it doesn't even have to be a Logia to make it OP. Whitebeard had a Paramecia, and he was regarded as the most dangerous man alive with it (not solely for it, but being able to punch the air and form a giant tidal wave sure helps).
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
December 30 2012 06:39 GMT
#5472
daflamingo obviously coated himself in full armorment haki and got shot out of a transcontinental cannon.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
December 30 2012 06:47 GMT
#5473
On December 30 2012 14:23 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 14:17 mokumoku wrote:
On December 30 2012 14:11 Sentenal wrote:
On December 30 2012 14:03 mokumoku wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVVOydnDEI

Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.

You realize that storms by their very nature involve wind, right?


or another fruit which can control wind

though you might be right since he controlled lightning as well to hit buggy when he was about to execute luffy.

Yeah, Loguetown is what makes me think its a Storm fruit the most. Luffy is in trouble, a big ass storm rolls in, Buggy conveniently gets struck by lightning right before he would have killed Luffy, Dragon saves Luffy from Smoker, and the storm helps the Strawhats to get away (Marine's gunpowder got soaked, tailwind for sailing, etc). That is a whole lot of coincidences all piled up on top of each other.

And it doesn't even have to be a Logia to make it OP. Whitebeard had a Paramecia, and he was regarded as the most dangerous man alive with it (not solely for it, but being able to punch the air and form a giant tidal wave sure helps).

I think everyone agrees there is some wind power involved with Dragon's fruit. While storm fruit is definitely plausible, I'm more inclined to think of wind logia that can be used to control storms. I think it's believable that a pure wind ability would be able to be used to bring about storms if used correctly. I do agree the whole Loguetown storm was Dragon's doing. One thing to note is that a gust of wind occurs every time Dragon makes an appearance. This could mean he's appearing with the wind, changing from wind back into human form, which I think is the biggest indicator of a wind logia.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
December 30 2012 07:13 GMT
#5474
That wouldn't help explain the lightning that stopped Buggy, though that could've just been Luffy's legendary luck.
Remember Violet.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 30 2012 07:25 GMT
#5475
On December 30 2012 16:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
That wouldn't help explain the lightning that stopped Buggy, though that could've just been Luffy's legendary luck.

The lightning is why I don't think its just a simple Wind fruit. Lightning just randomly saving Luffy seems too deus ex machina for Oda, IMO.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
December 30 2012 07:42 GMT
#5476
On December 30 2012 16:25 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 16:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
That wouldn't help explain the lightning that stopped Buggy, though that could've just been Luffy's legendary luck.

The lightning is why I don't think its just a simple Wind fruit. Lightning just randomly saving Luffy seems too deus ex machina for Oda, IMO.

I actually do think lightning was luck on Luffy's part. The way the scene was executed with the crowd and place makes me think it was a symbolic scene to show how godly Luffy's luck is as Roger's future successor. If it wasn't, that definitely shuts down a wind fruit theory.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
December 30 2012 07:47 GMT
#5477
On December 30 2012 16:42 KazeHydra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 16:25 Sentenal wrote:
On December 30 2012 16:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
That wouldn't help explain the lightning that stopped Buggy, though that could've just been Luffy's legendary luck.

The lightning is why I don't think its just a simple Wind fruit. Lightning just randomly saving Luffy seems too deus ex machina for Oda, IMO.

I actually do think lightning was luck on Luffy's part. The way the scene was executed with the crowd and place makes me think it was a symbolic scene to show how godly Luffy's luck is as Roger's future successor. If it wasn't, that definitely shuts down a wind fruit theory.

The scene did portray Luffy as Roger's future successor with how he was facing death, but I don't really think luck has anything to do with it. Being lucky is great an all, but if you try and explain away THAT scene with "well he got really really really really lucky", that just feels like bad writing to me.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
KazeHydra
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan2788 Posts
December 30 2012 07:57 GMT
#5478
On December 30 2012 16:47 Sentenal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2012 16:42 KazeHydra wrote:
On December 30 2012 16:25 Sentenal wrote:
On December 30 2012 16:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
That wouldn't help explain the lightning that stopped Buggy, though that could've just been Luffy's legendary luck.

The lightning is why I don't think its just a simple Wind fruit. Lightning just randomly saving Luffy seems too deus ex machina for Oda, IMO.

I actually do think lightning was luck on Luffy's part. The way the scene was executed with the crowd and place makes me think it was a symbolic scene to show how godly Luffy's luck is as Roger's future successor. If it wasn't, that definitely shuts down a wind fruit theory.

The scene did portray Luffy as Roger's future successor with how he was facing death, but I don't really think luck has anything to do with it. Being lucky is great an all, but if you try and explain away THAT scene with "well he got really really really really lucky", that just feels like bad writing to me.

I don't disagree. I'm just saying that's the impression I got from the scene.
"Because I know this promise that won’t disappear will turn even a cause of tears into strength. You taught me that if I can believe, there is nothing that cannot come true." - Nana Mizuki (Yakusoku) 17:36 ils kaze got me into nana 17:36 ils by his blog
b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 09:38:40
December 30 2012 09:25 GMT
#5479
On December 30 2012 14:03 mokumoku wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoVVOydnDEI

Has to be a wind logia, or another fruit which can control wind like a dragon mythical zoan.


I'm pretty sure that was caused by kuma's pressure cannon

edit: well, fuck that I'm gonna jump to the wind logia / storm paramecia train
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-30 10:02:47
December 30 2012 10:02 GMT
#5480
Even though I think its a Storm Fruit, I don't necessarily think it has to be a paramecia (although it very well could be). If Sand, Smoke, Magma, Mud, and Ice all get to be Logia, I don't see why a Storm couldn't either. I imagine it would be like Smoker, except being a Storm Cloud thing rather than just Smoke. Could go either way, who knows. I don't really see Dragon being a Zoan, though.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
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