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On May 29 2022 20:49 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2022 11:35 Archeon wrote:On May 27 2022 10:48 Hyperbola wrote:On May 17 2022 06:41 PVJ wrote:
The rock flashback was great actually, the highlight of the chapter. (Perhaps it is just me but I couldn't really track and conceptualise the whole water flow part)
What's the chance Big Mom and Kaidou find each other in the middle of earth? Very high, apparently! New chapter is out: + Show Spoiler +Kaido confirmed defeated by the narrator. He put up a decent showing but I sincerely doubt that he's actually the strongest pirate alive. He basically had two things going for him: impenetrable scales and CoC infused attacks. The scales turned out to be not so impenetrable early on and once his CoC attacks could be countered by someone else who knew how to do it, it was only a matter of time before he was taken out. I'm not complaining though, I'm glad this fight is finally over. And the best news is that there's no break next week! + Show Spoiler +I mean Kaido fought the three supernovas + 2 vice captains, tanked basically all their attacks, then beat the crap out of Luffy, beat Yamato prolly while holding back, beat Luffy a second time and then still had a few aces up his sleeve. There's pretty little doubt in my mind that Kaido is stronger than BM and very likely still stronger than Luffy, even if he lost the head on trade after all of this So imo it remains to be seen if BB is actually stronger than Kaido. He doesn't need to be to give Luffy a good fight. I agree that Kaido does have some great stamina, however keep in mind that Luffy had a number of fights before his main match as well, including apoo, ulti, and a bunch of gifters. In terms of strength, I've seen no indication that Kaido is stronger than Big Mom. They fought equally for days, and it took two supernovas to beat her vs just Luffy for Kaido. The evidence seems to actually point to Big Mom being stronger. And don't forget Shanks, who was able to stop Kaido from reaching Marineford and was one of the faces that appeared in the "do you think you're as great as they are?" silhouette. So there's another pirate that's most likely equal to Kaido. By shonen logic, Blackbeard will definitely be stronger, since Luffy has already reached Yonko level. Typically in these stories you need to establish the antagonist as a threat to the MC so you would need to have Luffy lose an exchange or two with him before finally struggling to beat him in a main fight. If Luffy just mopped the floor with Blackbeard it would make for a really boring story. Finally, although they're not pirates, characters like Akainu, Dragon, and Imu are also probably at or even above Kaido's level. We haven't seen enough of them to really tell if that's the case, but it's certainly enough to throw doubt on the "strongest creature alive" claim.
We've come a long way! I remember when one piece fans used to be like KATAKURI >> KIZARU EZ. I was like wth?? Now admirals are gonna get the respect
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I don't recall anyone saying such things.
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On May 29 2022 20:49 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On May 28 2022 11:35 Archeon wrote:On May 27 2022 10:48 Hyperbola wrote:On May 17 2022 06:41 PVJ wrote:
The rock flashback was great actually, the highlight of the chapter. (Perhaps it is just me but I couldn't really track and conceptualise the whole water flow part)
What's the chance Big Mom and Kaidou find each other in the middle of earth? Very high, apparently! New chapter is out: + Show Spoiler +Kaido confirmed defeated by the narrator. He put up a decent showing but I sincerely doubt that he's actually the strongest pirate alive. He basically had two things going for him: impenetrable scales and CoC infused attacks. The scales turned out to be not so impenetrable early on and once his CoC attacks could be countered by someone else who knew how to do it, it was only a matter of time before he was taken out. I'm not complaining though, I'm glad this fight is finally over. And the best news is that there's no break next week! + Show Spoiler +I mean Kaido fought the three supernovas + 2 vice captains, tanked basically all their attacks, then beat the crap out of Luffy, beat Yamato prolly while holding back, beat Luffy a second time and then still had a few aces up his sleeve. There's pretty little doubt in my mind that Kaido is stronger than BM and very likely still stronger than Luffy, even if he lost the head on trade after all of this So imo it remains to be seen if BB is actually stronger than Kaido. He doesn't need to be to give Luffy a good fight. I agree that Kaido does have some great stamina, however keep in mind that Luffy had a number of fights before his main match as well, including apoo, ulti, and a bunch of gifters. In terms of strength, I've seen no indication that Kaido is stronger than Big Mom. They fought equally for days, and it took two supernovas to beat her vs just Luffy for Kaido. The evidence seems to actually point to Big Mom being stronger. And don't forget Shanks, who was able to stop Kaido from reaching Marineford and was one of the faces that appeared in the "do you think you're as great as they are?" silhouette. So there's another pirate that's most likely equal to Kaido. By shonen logic, Blackbeard will definitely be stronger, since Luffy has already reached Yonko level. Typically in these stories you need to establish the antagonist as a threat to the MC so you would need to have Luffy lose an exchange or two with him before finally struggling to beat him in a main fight. If Luffy just mopped the floor with Blackbeard it would make for a really boring story. Finally, although they're not pirates, characters like Akainu, Dragon, and Imu are also probably at or even above Kaido's level. We haven't seen enough of them to really tell if that's the case, but it's certainly enough to throw doubt on the "strongest creature alive" claim.
Well Kaido tanked most of the attacks for BM in the team fight, then beat Luffy, fought Yamato, killed Luffy and finally lost to a third time resurging Luffy with Luffy being down immediately after. So in my mind there's very little doubt that Kaido was stronger and just eventually Luffy got close enough in strength to beat an exhausted Kaido. Personally I thought that BM looked nowhere near as tanky as Kaido, but tbf she has more large scale attacks and more tricks up her sleeve. Imo Luffy is fairly clearly ahead of the other two right now though and it still took him three tries to overcome Kaido.
That doesn't mean that I think that nobody is stronger than Kaido, I agree that Shanks and Akainu and possibly Imu if he's a fighter are likely above his level. No idea where Dragon ranks and not sure about other admirals. But they could still be pretty much on his level and it still would be a tough fight for Luffy because imo he isn't really stronger than Kaido, he's merely closed the gap.
Blackbeard might, but I have yet to see him actually fight anyone on that level so atm I don't really see a reason why he should outside of the fact that he's set up as a major antagonist in the future.
On May 30 2022 00:54 cLutZ wrote:
Blackbeard also can nullify your DF, which it seems is not common knowledge in the OP world. That is a huge strategic hurdle to overcome mid- fight
He can? I remember him and Ace going at it with full fruit power.
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On May 30 2022 05:44 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 29 2022 20:49 Hyperbola wrote:On May 28 2022 11:35 Archeon wrote:On May 27 2022 10:48 Hyperbola wrote:On May 17 2022 06:41 PVJ wrote:
The rock flashback was great actually, the highlight of the chapter. (Perhaps it is just me but I couldn't really track and conceptualise the whole water flow part)
What's the chance Big Mom and Kaidou find each other in the middle of earth? Very high, apparently! New chapter is out: + Show Spoiler +Kaido confirmed defeated by the narrator. He put up a decent showing but I sincerely doubt that he's actually the strongest pirate alive. He basically had two things going for him: impenetrable scales and CoC infused attacks. The scales turned out to be not so impenetrable early on and once his CoC attacks could be countered by someone else who knew how to do it, it was only a matter of time before he was taken out. I'm not complaining though, I'm glad this fight is finally over. And the best news is that there's no break next week! + Show Spoiler +I mean Kaido fought the three supernovas + 2 vice captains, tanked basically all their attacks, then beat the crap out of Luffy, beat Yamato prolly while holding back, beat Luffy a second time and then still had a few aces up his sleeve. There's pretty little doubt in my mind that Kaido is stronger than BM and very likely still stronger than Luffy, even if he lost the head on trade after all of this So imo it remains to be seen if BB is actually stronger than Kaido. He doesn't need to be to give Luffy a good fight. I agree that Kaido does have some great stamina, however keep in mind that Luffy had a number of fights before his main match as well, including apoo, ulti, and a bunch of gifters. In terms of strength, I've seen no indication that Kaido is stronger than Big Mom. They fought equally for days, and it took two supernovas to beat her vs just Luffy for Kaido. The evidence seems to actually point to Big Mom being stronger. And don't forget Shanks, who was able to stop Kaido from reaching Marineford and was one of the faces that appeared in the "do you think you're as great as they are?" silhouette. So there's another pirate that's most likely equal to Kaido. By shonen logic, Blackbeard will definitely be stronger, since Luffy has already reached Yonko level. Typically in these stories you need to establish the antagonist as a threat to the MC so you would need to have Luffy lose an exchange or two with him before finally struggling to beat him in a main fight. If Luffy just mopped the floor with Blackbeard it would make for a really boring story. Finally, although they're not pirates, characters like Akainu, Dragon, and Imu are also probably at or even above Kaido's level. We haven't seen enough of them to really tell if that's the case, but it's certainly enough to throw doubt on the "strongest creature alive" claim. Well Kaido tanked most of the attacks for BM in the team fight, then beat Luffy, fought Yamato, killed Luffy and finally lost to a third time resurging Luffy with Luffy being down immediately after. So in my mind there's very little doubt that Kaido was stronger and just eventually Luffy got close enough in strength to beat an exhausted Kaido. Personally I thought that BM looked nowhere near as tanky as Kaido, but tbf she has more large scale attacks and more tricks up her sleeve. Imo Luffy is fairly clearly ahead of the other two right now though and it still took him three tries to overcome Kaido. That doesn't mean that I think that nobody is stronger than Kaido, I agree that Shanks and Akainu and possibly Imu if he's a fighter are likely above his level. No idea where Dragon ranks and not sure about other admirals. But they could still be pretty much on his level and it still would be a tough fight for Luffy because imo he isn't really stronger than Kaido, he's merely closed the gap. Blackbeard might, but I have yet to see him actually fight anyone on that level so atm I don't really see a reason why he should outside of the fact that he's set up as a major antagonist in the future. Show nested quote +On May 30 2022 00:54 cLutZ wrote:
Blackbeard also can nullify your DF, which it seems is not common knowledge in the OP world. That is a huge strategic hurdle to overcome mid- fight He can? I remember him and Ace going at it with full fruit power.
Yeah. He has to touch you, but then he can.
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On May 30 2022 09:01 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2022 05:44 Archeon wrote:On May 29 2022 20:49 Hyperbola wrote:On May 28 2022 11:35 Archeon wrote:On May 27 2022 10:48 Hyperbola wrote:On May 17 2022 06:41 PVJ wrote:
The rock flashback was great actually, the highlight of the chapter. (Perhaps it is just me but I couldn't really track and conceptualise the whole water flow part)
What's the chance Big Mom and Kaidou find each other in the middle of earth? Very high, apparently! New chapter is out: + Show Spoiler +Kaido confirmed defeated by the narrator. He put up a decent showing but I sincerely doubt that he's actually the strongest pirate alive. He basically had two things going for him: impenetrable scales and CoC infused attacks. The scales turned out to be not so impenetrable early on and once his CoC attacks could be countered by someone else who knew how to do it, it was only a matter of time before he was taken out. I'm not complaining though, I'm glad this fight is finally over. And the best news is that there's no break next week! + Show Spoiler +I mean Kaido fought the three supernovas + 2 vice captains, tanked basically all their attacks, then beat the crap out of Luffy, beat Yamato prolly while holding back, beat Luffy a second time and then still had a few aces up his sleeve. There's pretty little doubt in my mind that Kaido is stronger than BM and very likely still stronger than Luffy, even if he lost the head on trade after all of this So imo it remains to be seen if BB is actually stronger than Kaido. He doesn't need to be to give Luffy a good fight. I agree that Kaido does have some great stamina, however keep in mind that Luffy had a number of fights before his main match as well, including apoo, ulti, and a bunch of gifters. In terms of strength, I've seen no indication that Kaido is stronger than Big Mom. They fought equally for days, and it took two supernovas to beat her vs just Luffy for Kaido. The evidence seems to actually point to Big Mom being stronger. And don't forget Shanks, who was able to stop Kaido from reaching Marineford and was one of the faces that appeared in the "do you think you're as great as they are?" silhouette. So there's another pirate that's most likely equal to Kaido. By shonen logic, Blackbeard will definitely be stronger, since Luffy has already reached Yonko level. Typically in these stories you need to establish the antagonist as a threat to the MC so you would need to have Luffy lose an exchange or two with him before finally struggling to beat him in a main fight. If Luffy just mopped the floor with Blackbeard it would make for a really boring story. Finally, although they're not pirates, characters like Akainu, Dragon, and Imu are also probably at or even above Kaido's level. We haven't seen enough of them to really tell if that's the case, but it's certainly enough to throw doubt on the "strongest creature alive" claim. Well Kaido tanked most of the attacks for BM in the team fight, then beat Luffy, fought Yamato, killed Luffy and finally lost to a third time resurging Luffy with Luffy being down immediately after. So in my mind there's very little doubt that Kaido was stronger and just eventually Luffy got close enough in strength to beat an exhausted Kaido. Personally I thought that BM looked nowhere near as tanky as Kaido, but tbf she has more large scale attacks and more tricks up her sleeve. Imo Luffy is fairly clearly ahead of the other two right now though and it still took him three tries to overcome Kaido. That doesn't mean that I think that nobody is stronger than Kaido, I agree that Shanks and Akainu and possibly Imu if he's a fighter are likely above his level. No idea where Dragon ranks and not sure about other admirals. But they could still be pretty much on his level and it still would be a tough fight for Luffy because imo he isn't really stronger than Kaido, he's merely closed the gap. Blackbeard might, but I have yet to see him actually fight anyone on that level so atm I don't really see a reason why he should outside of the fact that he's set up as a major antagonist in the future. On May 30 2022 00:54 cLutZ wrote:
Blackbeard also can nullify your DF, which it seems is not common knowledge in the OP world. That is a huge strategic hurdle to overcome mid- fight He can? I remember him and Ace going at it with full fruit power. Yeah. He has to touch you, but then he can.
Ah ok my bad, forgot about that. That's pretty powerful especially against Luffy now.
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Kaido solo'd all of Oden's Samurai, fought 2v5 against the Worst Gen team, beat Luffy, beat Yamato, beat Luffy AGAIN, and then lost to Luffy.
I honestly think its a fool's errand trying to power rank people at this point in the game, as "who is stronger". We have a clear tier of who the strongest are, and vaguer ideas about the differences in those tiers. We had narration panels telling us things like "strongest creature in the world" with Kaido, but wtf does that mean by calling him a creature? We have Oda giving Kaido the highest bounty of the currently active pirates, but we know that strength and bounty aren't necessarily the same thing.
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On May 30 2022 09:55 Archeon wrote:
Ah ok my bad, forgot about that. That's pretty powerful especially against Luffy now.
Yeah, its a great card to play. Ace v. BB was basically 50/50, without that aspect. BB didn't land any attacks otherwise, and Ace hit him with quite a bit. I don't think people remember it as such, since Ace lost ultimately, and was only a 400B Bounty at the time, but IMO Oda was trying to convey that it was a close match. Which makes sense because Whitebeard ultimately had faith that Ace could lead the WB pirates into the new generation and become a yonko/next pirate king.
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On May 30 2022 09:55 Archeon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 30 2022 09:01 cLutZ wrote:On May 30 2022 05:44 Archeon wrote:On May 29 2022 20:49 Hyperbola wrote:On May 28 2022 11:35 Archeon wrote:On May 27 2022 10:48 Hyperbola wrote:On May 17 2022 06:41 PVJ wrote:
The rock flashback was great actually, the highlight of the chapter. (Perhaps it is just me but I couldn't really track and conceptualise the whole water flow part)
What's the chance Big Mom and Kaidou find each other in the middle of earth? Very high, apparently! New chapter is out: + Show Spoiler +Kaido confirmed defeated by the narrator. He put up a decent showing but I sincerely doubt that he's actually the strongest pirate alive. He basically had two things going for him: impenetrable scales and CoC infused attacks. The scales turned out to be not so impenetrable early on and once his CoC attacks could be countered by someone else who knew how to do it, it was only a matter of time before he was taken out. I'm not complaining though, I'm glad this fight is finally over. And the best news is that there's no break next week! + Show Spoiler +I mean Kaido fought the three supernovas + 2 vice captains, tanked basically all their attacks, then beat the crap out of Luffy, beat Yamato prolly while holding back, beat Luffy a second time and then still had a few aces up his sleeve. There's pretty little doubt in my mind that Kaido is stronger than BM and very likely still stronger than Luffy, even if he lost the head on trade after all of this So imo it remains to be seen if BB is actually stronger than Kaido. He doesn't need to be to give Luffy a good fight. I agree that Kaido does have some great stamina, however keep in mind that Luffy had a number of fights before his main match as well, including apoo, ulti, and a bunch of gifters. In terms of strength, I've seen no indication that Kaido is stronger than Big Mom. They fought equally for days, and it took two supernovas to beat her vs just Luffy for Kaido. The evidence seems to actually point to Big Mom being stronger. And don't forget Shanks, who was able to stop Kaido from reaching Marineford and was one of the faces that appeared in the "do you think you're as great as they are?" silhouette. So there's another pirate that's most likely equal to Kaido. By shonen logic, Blackbeard will definitely be stronger, since Luffy has already reached Yonko level. Typically in these stories you need to establish the antagonist as a threat to the MC so you would need to have Luffy lose an exchange or two with him before finally struggling to beat him in a main fight. If Luffy just mopped the floor with Blackbeard it would make for a really boring story. Finally, although they're not pirates, characters like Akainu, Dragon, and Imu are also probably at or even above Kaido's level. We haven't seen enough of them to really tell if that's the case, but it's certainly enough to throw doubt on the "strongest creature alive" claim. Well Kaido tanked most of the attacks for BM in the team fight, then beat Luffy, fought Yamato, killed Luffy and finally lost to a third time resurging Luffy with Luffy being down immediately after. So in my mind there's very little doubt that Kaido was stronger and just eventually Luffy got close enough in strength to beat an exhausted Kaido. Personally I thought that BM looked nowhere near as tanky as Kaido, but tbf she has more large scale attacks and more tricks up her sleeve. Imo Luffy is fairly clearly ahead of the other two right now though and it still took him three tries to overcome Kaido. That doesn't mean that I think that nobody is stronger than Kaido, I agree that Shanks and Akainu and possibly Imu if he's a fighter are likely above his level. No idea where Dragon ranks and not sure about other admirals. But they could still be pretty much on his level and it still would be a tough fight for Luffy because imo he isn't really stronger than Kaido, he's merely closed the gap. Blackbeard might, but I have yet to see him actually fight anyone on that level so atm I don't really see a reason why he should outside of the fact that he's set up as a major antagonist in the future. On May 30 2022 00:54 cLutZ wrote:
Blackbeard also can nullify your DF, which it seems is not common knowledge in the OP world. That is a huge strategic hurdle to overcome mid- fight He can? I remember him and Ace going at it with full fruit power. Yeah. He has to touch you, but then he can. Ah ok my bad, forgot about that. That's pretty powerful especially against Luffy now.
Cartoon Luffy seems like a good match for that, sure he can suck you in but reality altering gag effects makes landing the actual touch potentially mega-difficult.
Sucks you in, WHOOPS bent around your hand in a palm print shape, hyuck!
Sucks you in, WHOOPS sucked in too hard and now Im way behind you, hyuck!
etc. etc. etc.
I also think Blackbeard is going to be a weird fighter to gauge powerwise, he seems like an Idiot-Tank, he'll never finish a battle unscathed but god knows how much punishment he can actually endure, plus he is the one who gave Shanks his scars. Between that and his general oafish cowardice shtick its hard to say what his actual potential top end strength is.
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So it seems like Yamato wants to join Luffy's crew. We'll see if Luffy agrees, but I don't see why he wouldn't.
She seems fairly strong and is a nice Zoan user (Wolf or Fox IIRC?)
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On June 03 2022 20:46 Latham wrote:
So it seems like Yamato wants to join Luffy's crew. We'll see if Luffy agrees, but I don't see why he wouldn't.
She seems fairly strong and is a nice Zoan user (Wolf or Fox IIRC?)
Shes a Mythical Zoan, some sort of frost-wolf guardian spirit thing.
I hope she joins, Yamato is my favorite part of the Wano arc.
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Nice to see Uchiha Momonosuke in his adult form.
I'm hoping next chapter will start pushing the story forward, starting to resolve things like the road poneglyphs or Wano's mysterious history.
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I'm happy Momosuke didn't look too much like his father.
Overall a good way to end the arc imo, I enjoyed the Otama flashback and the reveal.
On a side note I like Yamato, but do feel like the SH crew is a bit too big honestly. It's not like I dislike any of the characters, I am just under the impression that the sheer amount of them waters them down a little. But I feel the same way about Jinbei.
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i agree on the yamato point. jinbei was the last character i thought was ok to join the crew. yamato for me doesn't have the same relationship with the crew and doesnt really serve a purpose either
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On June 04 2022 11:57 evilfatsh1t wrote:
i agree on the yamato point. jinbei was the last character i thought was ok to join the crew. yamato for me doesn't have the same relationship with the crew and doesnt really serve a purpose either
Only role I feel she fulfills is similiar circumstances as Oden. Roger had Oden. Yamato wants to go by Oden and has been wanting to leave Wano and go on an adventure just like him.
But I agree she shouldn't join and I feel like Luffy will say no and tell her to go on her own adventure, that's what Ace would've wanted.
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Luffy should pull a Whitebeard and make Yamato undergo some crazy trial to join.
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I like Yamato as a character, but mixed feelings on her joining the crew proper. I wouldn't mind her as like a temporary passenger like Carrot or Kinemon, but as one of the main crew...? I dunno. Jinbei is sorta-kinda in the same boat, but he has the benefit of history from Impel Down->Marineford on his side.
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Yamato fits the Vs Katarina Devon position in the Blackbeard Crew head to head
Blackbeard has him plus Ten Titanic Captains right, makes for 11 total fights, Yamato makes 11 Straw Hats to match that
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On June 05 2022 03:33 Zambrah wrote:
Yamato fits the Vs Katarina Devon position in the Blackbeard Crew head to head
Blackbeard has him plus Ten Titanic Captains right, makes for 11 total fights, Yamato makes 11 Straw Hats to match that
This shit is what's so stupid about one piece. We all can predict and Oda has to force this to happen rather than letting story flow naturally. Pretty much the reason why post time skip has been god awful.
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