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On April 17 2013 07:53 IamVirGin wrote:
Something has to happen to some of the big players soon, I think.
Robb seems somewhat screwed. Winterfell burned (recent episode only reinforced my belief that it was the bolton bastard.) Theons sister still presumably rampages with her army. His men are losing faith. Frey will be angry. I think he will be betrayed by Lord Bolton who sits in Harrenhal. Bolton bastard burning Winterfell kinda hints to some kind of grudge between the houses. The other bolton man seemed quite loyal in bringing in Jaime though. Where is Lord Umber? He seemed Robbs most loyal general. Did he die?
Stannis needs some sort of comeback. He is a broken shell of a man, as is. I find him a really unlikable character, the way he doesn't give a shit about any of his most loyal men, he is supposedly so just and strong. But I've seen none of it, regardless of how badass that one comment about how thousands will die was. His salvation will probably come from the red womans journey though, which is unfortunate, because I strongly dislike her. It's implausible that he will shrivle up and be phased out now, or somehow die sometime soon.
Dany is still far away. Dragons are small still. Only 8000 men. She will be a force, that is obvious, but I doubt it will be this season. Wonder how they're gonna make her a threat but not overpowered, with dragons.
The Lannister-Tyrell alliance needs to be weakened, somehow. The marriage with Littlefinger to bring the Arryns into the alliance can't work right? They'd control everything, more or less, then.
OR we need some new players introduced. Tyrion mentions some bank they owe "tens of millions" to. A bank that can lend out tens of times the sum that Tywin lannister can loan out should probably be capable of mischief should they feel they're not getting their money back. Then there's the Dornish. We know nothing of them except they live in the south, and from the map and the fact that we haven't seen or even heard mention of them so far, probably quite secluded. Lastly I have no idea how strong the Brotherhood without banners is. At all. Some rag-tag band of men, as for now, albeit with a skilled bowman amongst them.
I realize that I've completely left out the situation beyond the wall. Dunno how much of an impact that will have, but the Starks (or the north in general) are fucked much before anyone else, in this regard. While I do actually like Jon Snow, and have enjoyed his history so far, I don't know if this story actually benefits from having this part in at all. We'll see I guess.
Lol, you've prolly made a lot of book readers superrr itchy to respond to this :D
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Could we please stop mentioning the books, please? 
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On April 17 2013 08:03 broodmann wrote:
Who captured Theon Greyjoy? Was It the bolton bastard and if so was he killed by Theons Rescuer? I don't get what goes on in that scene.
the guy who let theon go (he claimed that theons sister send him), killed the pursuer of theon and the last one called him bastard, so i guess its the basterd son, who should free winterfell and bring theon to rob stark, but it seems he betrayed rob, i guess we will know more next episode
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The Lannisters have gotten away with everything so far by just mentioning daddy Tywin. Looks like it isn't going to be that easy anymore.
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at episode one i thought theon was going through hardcore version of v for vendetta, then that guy shot three guys so im not sure
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On April 17 2013 07:53 IamVirGin wrote:
OR we need some new players introduced. Tyrion mentions some bank they owe "tens of millions" to. A bank that can lend out tens of times the sum that Tywin lannister can loan out should probably be capable of mischief should they feel they're not getting their money back. Then there's the Dornish. We know nothing of them except they live in the south, and from the map and the fact that we haven't seen or even heard mention of them so far, probably quite secluded. Lastly I have no idea how strong the Brotherhood without banners is. At all. Some rag-tag band of men, as for now, albeit with a skilled bowman amongst them.
Yes we have? Myrcella was "shipped" to Dorne remember?
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On April 17 2013 08:29 Art_of_Kill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:03 broodmann wrote:
Who captured Theon Greyjoy? Was It the bolton bastard and if so was he killed by Theons Rescuer? I don't get what goes on in that scene. the guy who let theon go (he claimed that theons sister send him), killed the pursuer of theon and the last one called him bastard, so i guess its the basterd son, who should free winterfell and bring theon to rob stark, but it seems he betrayed rob, i guess we will know more next episode
Are you sure it was the same guy? How could he be so fast? And didn't we saw him leave his horse to Theon? I'm confused.
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On April 17 2013 08:39 lord_nibbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:29 Art_of_Kill wrote:On April 17 2013 08:03 broodmann wrote:
Who captured Theon Greyjoy? Was It the bolton bastard and if so was he killed by Theons Rescuer? I don't get what goes on in that scene. the guy who let theon go (he claimed that theons sister send him), killed the pursuer of theon and the last one called him bastard, so i guess its the basterd son, who should free winterfell and bring theon to rob stark, but it seems he betrayed rob, i guess we will know more next episode Are you sure it was the same guy? How could he be so fast? And didn't we saw him leave his horse to Theon? I'm confused.
It was definitely the same guy. Considering the state Theon was in he probably couldn't ride very fast so it's not surprising his pursuers caught up. The guy Yara sent probably just stole another horse.
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On April 16 2013 19:17 Licit wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 18:38 Scorch wrote:
The chair scene was great as it showed much about the characters and conflicts without a single word. Very elegant storytelling.
Littlefinger pushing to the front of the line is within the boundaries of normal, acceptable behavior. He's ambitious and wants the seat next to Tywin, so he takes it with a slight use of elbow. It's effective at trumping a surprised Varys, yet lacking finesse.
Varys and Pycelle just take the next two seats without much ado, revealing them as filler material inferior to the others.
Cersei goes out of her way to sit next to Tywin, thus particularly sucking up to him, and also asserting dominance over Littlefinger, Varys and Pycelle. She was too slow at first to get a good seat, so she thinks outside the box to make it very clear that she is of higher status than them.
What Tyrion does may be viewed as childish, but that makes it all the more "in your face". He drags the chair as slowly and loudly as he can to annoy everyone, and places it at the other head of the table, a place reserved for the person of the highest status, in this case (at least) equal status to Tywin. It's also the most distant position from his father. This open affront is both an expression of personal father-son conflict and a challenge for the leading position. It was pretty obvious that she moved her chair so that she wouldn't have to sit next to Tyrion. Tyrion moving his chair was simply a response to that.
No, there was definitely a lot more to it.The way Little finger went first wouldn't be relevant if that were the case. No coincidence that the chairs were set up that way either. Also when Tyrion was dragging the chair, everyone assumed he would move it next to his sister, to be closer to power. Cercie was all like "Sheesh, you're gonna move that chair just so you can still be inferior to me? HA! ". But then we see Tyrion 1 upped her completely by sitting at the head of the table, equal to his father. You can see it in Varys's face I think too, sort of saying "nice dude, NICE!". A game of thrones.
The scene had Little Finger, Cersie and Tyrion all showing their want for power, revealing the players in the game. At least I'd like to think it's all that. Not just a overly long scene just to get to "Oh I don't like you, so I'm gonna sit over here".
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On April 17 2013 08:55 pzea469 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 16 2013 19:17 Licit wrote:On April 16 2013 18:38 Scorch wrote:
The chair scene was great as it showed much about the characters and conflicts without a single word. Very elegant storytelling.
Littlefinger pushing to the front of the line is within the boundaries of normal, acceptable behavior. He's ambitious and wants the seat next to Tywin, so he takes it with a slight use of elbow. It's effective at trumping a surprised Varys, yet lacking finesse.
Varys and Pycelle just take the next two seats without much ado, revealing them as filler material inferior to the others.
Cersei goes out of her way to sit next to Tywin, thus particularly sucking up to him, and also asserting dominance over Littlefinger, Varys and Pycelle. She was too slow at first to get a good seat, so she thinks outside the box to make it very clear that she is of higher status than them.
What Tyrion does may be viewed as childish, but that makes it all the more "in your face". He drags the chair as slowly and loudly as he can to annoy everyone, and places it at the other head of the table, a place reserved for the person of the highest status, in this case (at least) equal status to Tywin. It's also the most distant position from his father. This open affront is both an expression of personal father-son conflict and a challenge for the leading position. It was pretty obvious that she moved her chair so that she wouldn't have to sit next to Tyrion. Tyrion moving his chair was simply a response to that. No, there was definitely a lot more to it.The way Little finger went first wouldn't be relevant if that were the case. No coincidence that the chairs were set up that way either. Also when Tyrion was dragging the chair, everyone assumed he would move it next to his sister, to be closer to power. Cercie was all like "Sheesh, you're gonna move that chair just so you can still be inferior to me? HA! ". But then we see Tyrion 1 upped her completely by sitting at the head of the table, equal to his father. You can see it in Varys's face I think too, sort of saying "nice dude, NICE!". A game of thrones. The scene had Little Finger, Cersie and Tyrion all showing their want for power, revealing the players in the game. At least I'd like to think it's all that. Not just a overly long scene just to get to "Oh I don't like you, so I'm gonna sit over here". I knew there was a lot of subtext to the scene but I'm not very good at that sort of shit, and I had no idea how to interpret it. Nice explanation though, makes a lot of sense. 
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On April 17 2013 08:29 Art_of_Kill wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 08:03 broodmann wrote:
Who captured Theon Greyjoy? Was It the bolton bastard and if so was he killed by Theons Rescuer? I don't get what goes on in that scene. the guy who let theon go (he claimed that theons sister send him), killed the pursuer of theon and the last one called him bastard, so i guess its the basterd son, who should free winterfell and bring theon to rob stark, but it seems he betrayed rob, i guess we will know more next episode
I think he called him bastard as an insult; not because he was Bolton's bastard (because why would Bolton's son, the commander of the relief force, be mopping the dungeon floor?).
I'm sure now that they're on the road Theron and his rescuer will get to talking and let us know more about what's going on.
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OK i think I figured out what the khaleesi is thinking. Right before the trade scene Selmy says something along the lines of "When men fought for your father they did it out of love." and Jorah is like "Yea but he died." After reading some comments in this thread about sacking the city, I think she will buy the slaves and tell them they are free. So then she can have an army like her father or brother (forgot which one) where they will follow her out of choice.
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On April 17 2013 10:04 Beorn1 wrote:
OK i think I figured out what the khaleesi is thinking. Right before the trade scene Selmy says something along the lines of "When men fought for your father they did it out of love." and Jorah is like "Yea but he died." After reading some comments in this thread about sacking the city, I think she will buy the slaves and tell them they are free. So then she can have an army like her father or brother (forgot which one) where they will follow her out of choice.
I thought similarly she would use it against the very people she bought them from in order to have all the dragons and an army.
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On April 17 2013 10:04 Beorn1 wrote:
OK i think I figured out what the khaleesi is thinking. Right before the trade scene Selmy says something along the lines of "When men fought for your father they did it out of love." and Jorah is like "Yea but he died." After reading some comments in this thread about sacking the city, I think she will buy the slaves and tell them they are free. So then she can have an army like her father or brother (forgot which one) where they will follow her out of choice.
For the record, Rhaegar is her brother, not father. Her father was the mad king, people didn't really follow him out of love, at least not near the end.
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On April 17 2013 04:53 Fenrax wrote:
@karazax: read the mod note on BillGates post on the last page.
I read something I wish I didn't read because it is very important and very far in the future if it is true.
I am done with this thread, no more reading, no more posting. Was fun and informative with the 95% here who just want to discuss the series with so many people being either too stupid to not spoiler the books or just being dicks it is not worth it.
he'll be back; they always come back
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On April 17 2013 08:24 KadaverBB wrote:Could we please stop mentioning the books, please?
I just don't understand why people need to talk about the books here. I mean you don't see people in the Spartacus thread "spoiling" do you? That's based on real history. People don't seem to feel the need to keep bringing up differences of the show vs recorded history. Yet so many book reader elitists feel the urge to pollute this thread. Don't they realize everyone else just see them as assholes?
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On April 17 2013 10:29 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 10:04 Beorn1 wrote:
OK i think I figured out what the khaleesi is thinking. Right before the trade scene Selmy says something along the lines of "When men fought for your father they did it out of love." and Jorah is like "Yea but he died." After reading some comments in this thread about sacking the city, I think she will buy the slaves and tell them they are free. So then she can have an army like her father or brother (forgot which one) where they will follow her out of choice. For the record, Rhaegar is her brother, not father. Her father was the mad king, people didn't really follow him out of love, at least not near the end.
Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification. But people did like her brother right? Or was Selmy bsing her lol.
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On April 17 2013 10:44 Beorn1 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2013 10:29 Whitewing wrote:On April 17 2013 10:04 Beorn1 wrote:
OK i think I figured out what the khaleesi is thinking. Right before the trade scene Selmy says something along the lines of "When men fought for your father they did it out of love." and Jorah is like "Yea but he died." After reading some comments in this thread about sacking the city, I think she will buy the slaves and tell them they are free. So then she can have an army like her father or brother (forgot which one) where they will follow her out of choice. For the record, Rhaegar is her brother, not father. Her father was the mad king, people didn't really follow him out of love, at least not near the end. Ah ok. Thanks for the clarification. But people did like her brother right? Or was Selmy bsing her lol.
He's probably not BS'in her. I think Aemon praised him in season one in his conversation with Jon Snow. I don't recall if anyone else brought him up but the fact of the matter is, the only person who talks shit about him is Robert Baratheon.
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Am I the only one who doesn't enjoy watching this show at all since I've read the books and know everything that happens? Such a shame aswell. Good tv entertainment is rare these days.
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On April 17 2013 10:52 loiop wrote:
Am I the only one who doesn't enjoy watching this show at all since I've read the books and know everything that happens? Such a shame aswell. Good tv entertainment is rare these days.
you could jump over to the other thread and discuss with the people that has read the book.
majority of people here are spoiler virgins and you will not get good discussion in that regard.
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