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On May 01 2012 08:35 freelander wrote:
I don't know why some of you think Gendry has rights for the throne.
He is a bastard, he can't claim the throne just like Jon Snow can't call himself Stark.
If you consider that Jeoffrey is not Robert's son(which is true), Gendry has a claim to the throne if Stannis somehow dies, although this is not the reason they are killing the bastards...they are killing the bastards because "THE SEED IS STRONG".
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On May 01 2012 16:29 Maginor wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 15:38 phyre112 wrote:On May 01 2012 15:14 Hoban wrote:
I'm sure she will learn. We were all that stupid at her age (I think she is "supposed" to be 14-15 at this point). I'm pretty sure if she continues her course she will either a) die a horrible horrible death or b) become a war hardened warrior queen with countless legions of fanatically faithful warriors at her back, and 3 dragons to boot. She is basically being thrown into a world with a goal and no direction and she is forced to find a way. As she matures and learns, it will make her stronger. Or....you know....the horrible horrible death thing. That's something that keeps escaping me as I watch, and read (I'm just catching up in the books, to the events that are happening in the show now)... that Theon is 20, Robb and Daenarys are 15, Sansa is only twelve (that makes her character MUCH more acceptable, imo. I hate her parts, until I remember that) Bran is nine and Arya is seven. WOW. No, they aged everyone up a little for the tv show. In the tv show, Roberts rebellion was 17 years ago at the start, so that is the age of Robb, Daenerys and Jon at the beginning of season 1. Theon was made to be the same age as Robb. Bran says he is ten right before he is pushed out the window. Arya is older than Bran.
Robb's supposed to be 17? He looks exactly the age of the actor playing him, namely 25 or 26 years old.
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On May 01 2012 18:37 kwizach wrote:
Robb's supposed to be 17? He looks exactly the age of the actor playing him, namely 25 or 26 years old.
17 in middle ages was probably the equivelant of late 20's now.
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About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned?
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On May 01 2012 21:01 Spitfire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:37 kwizach wrote:
Robb's supposed to be 17? He looks exactly the age of the actor playing him, namely 25 or 26 years old. 17 in middle ages was probably the equivelant of late 20's now.
Maybe so but not in physical appearance.. :-D
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On May 01 2012 13:00 Drowsy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 12:36 Darkchylde wrote:
Just for clarification, if a bastard has no right to the throne, what the reasoning behind all the bastard killing by Cersei's orders? It was Joffrey's orders in the show, not Cersei's. I believe that was discussed in episode 2 or 3. I assume because Cersei/Joffrey are aware that Cersei's children are all bastards as well, and they're incest bastards of the maternal line. Non-incest bastards of the paternal line would have more claim to the throne than incest bastards of the maternal line. Gendry and the rest are closer to being Baratheon's than Tommen/Myrcella/Joff.
There are could be many reaons too why Joffrey killed them but it's not because of any claim to the throne. They have none unless they are legitimised so of that I'm sure.
Most likely one of these
1. They were killed because they looked like Robert and Joffrey didn't and because Robert were more affectionate with them then with him. It made Joffrey who wanted Roberts affection his entire life but never got it envy and hate them and because of that he killed them.
2. Joffrey isn't as dumb as most believe and realised that they were dangerous. If one of them were ever compared to Joffrey the people might wonder why they had Roberts traits and Joffrey didn't making his claim weaker. HBO's approach on Joffrey he doesn't strike me as the intelligent type so it's far more likely the first one because jealousy and anger fits Joffrey like the glove.
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On May 01 2012 18:00 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, does anyone think that there's a hidden meaning in that the direwolf in the very first episode was killed by a stag (the stag also died)? Baratheon and Stark will kill each other perhaps.
I always thought that was to foreshadow the rest of season 1 - Robert, Eddard...
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On May 01 2012 21:49 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:00 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, does anyone think that there's a hidden meaning in that the direwolf in the very first episode was killed by a stag (the stag also died)? Baratheon and Stark will kill each other perhaps. I always thought that was to foreshadow the rest of season 1 - Robert, Eddard...
The symbolism couldn't be any clearer to be honest. The stag dies (Robert) but takes the direwolf (Edd) with him, and the direwolf leaves 6 pups behind: 2 girls, 3 boys, and an outsider.
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On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned?
But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes.
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On May 01 2012 21:01 Spitfire wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 18:37 kwizach wrote:
Robb's supposed to be 17? He looks exactly the age of the actor playing him, namely 25 or 26 years old. 17 in middle ages was probably the equivelant of late 20's now.
I think they increased the ages of all the characters just to make casting easier. Sensa is supposed to be 12, Jon 15 and so on. It also could just be that an earth year is shorter than a "realm" year.
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On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes.
But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country?
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On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country?
"The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say.
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On May 01 2012 22:00 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:01 Spitfire wrote:On May 01 2012 18:37 kwizach wrote:
Robb's supposed to be 17? He looks exactly the age of the actor playing him, namely 25 or 26 years old. 17 in middle ages was probably the equivelant of late 20's now. I think they increased the ages of all the characters just to make casting easier. Sensa is supposed to be 12, Jon 15 and so on. It also could just be that an earth year is shorter than a "realm" year.
Not the casting, but with the amount of nudity and sex bein thrown around, including people wich are considered underage (dany is like 13 when she loses her virginity to drogo), the series could flat out not be made at all.
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On May 01 2012 21:52 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:49 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2012 18:00 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, does anyone think that there's a hidden meaning in that the direwolf in the very first episode was killed by a stag (the stag also died)? Baratheon and Stark will kill each other perhaps. I always thought that was to foreshadow the rest of season 1 - Robert, Eddard... The symbolism couldn't be any clearer to be honest. The stag dies (Robert) but takes the direwolf (Edd) with him, and the direwolf leaves 6 pups behind: 2 girls, 3 boys, and an outsider.
Mind is blown. Haven't noticed that.
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On May 01 2012 22:12 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country? "The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say.
Throughout history Norway have been conquered a number of times, by Sweden, Denmark and last but not least Germany. However the people always supported Norway, and the people was loyal to the king even when he was exiled in UK. I think you got it all wrong
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On May 01 2012 21:52 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:49 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2012 18:00 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, does anyone think that there's a hidden meaning in that the direwolf in the very first episode was killed by a stag (the stag also died)? Baratheon and Stark will kill each other perhaps. I always thought that was to foreshadow the rest of season 1 - Robert, Eddard... The symbolism couldn't be any clearer to be honest. The stag dies (Robert) but takes the direwolf (Edd) with him, and the direwolf leaves 6 pups behind: 2 girls, 3 boys, and an outsider.
Since one of the direwolfs was killed in S01, does that mean Sansa will die ?
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On May 01 2012 22:52 breadcat wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 21:52 Excludos wrote:On May 01 2012 21:49 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2012 18:00 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, does anyone think that there's a hidden meaning in that the direwolf in the very first episode was killed by a stag (the stag also died)? Baratheon and Stark will kill each other perhaps. I always thought that was to foreshadow the rest of season 1 - Robert, Eddard... The symbolism couldn't be any clearer to be honest. The stag dies (Robert) but takes the direwolf (Edd) with him, and the direwolf leaves 6 pups behind: 2 girls, 3 boys, and an outsider. Since one of the direwolfs was killed in S01, does that mean Sansa will die ?
That scene never made any sense to me.
Not sure why Ned didn't send Lady home with one of his men or at least set her free like Arya did with her wolf.
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On May 01 2012 22:56 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:52 breadcat wrote:On May 01 2012 21:52 Excludos wrote:On May 01 2012 21:49 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2012 18:00 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, does anyone think that there's a hidden meaning in that the direwolf in the very first episode was killed by a stag (the stag also died)? Baratheon and Stark will kill each other perhaps. I always thought that was to foreshadow the rest of season 1 - Robert, Eddard... The symbolism couldn't be any clearer to be honest. The stag dies (Robert) but takes the direwolf (Edd) with him, and the direwolf leaves 6 pups behind: 2 girls, 3 boys, and an outsider. Since one of the direwolfs was killed in S01, does that mean Sansa will die ? That scene never made any sense to me. Not sure why Ned didn't send Lady home with one of his men or at least set her free like Arya did with her wolf.
Ned is an honorable man and follows orders from his king.
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On May 01 2012 22:56 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:52 breadcat wrote:On May 01 2012 21:52 Excludos wrote:On May 01 2012 21:49 c0ldfusion wrote:On May 01 2012 18:00 Incognoto wrote:
By the way, does anyone think that there's a hidden meaning in that the direwolf in the very first episode was killed by a stag (the stag also died)? Baratheon and Stark will kill each other perhaps. I always thought that was to foreshadow the rest of season 1 - Robert, Eddard... The symbolism couldn't be any clearer to be honest. The stag dies (Robert) but takes the direwolf (Edd) with him, and the direwolf leaves 6 pups behind: 2 girls, 3 boys, and an outsider. Since one of the direwolfs was killed in S01, does that mean Sansa will die ? That scene never made any sense to me. Not sure why Ned didn't send Lady home with one of his men or at least set her free like Arya did with her wolf.
It could be symbolism representing Sansas divergence away from Stark traits. Though it might not seem like it Sansa holds her own in Kings Landing (as much as possible given her situation). Tyrion remarks "you may survive us yet".
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On May 01 2012 22:37 Spykiller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:12 Zorkmid wrote:On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country? "The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say. Throughout history Norway have been conquered a number of times, by Sweden, Denmark and last but not least Germany. However the people always supported Norway, and the people was loyal to the king even when he was exiled in UK. I think you got it all wrong
I think you got this wrong.
In the 17th and 18th century there was no "Norway", and there was no "Norwegians". They were danish. None who lived in the territory that is now Norway loked at themselves as "Norwegian", the concept just didn't exist. True, Norway had existed prior to ca year 1400, but that version of Norway melded together with Denmark after a series of intermarriages. Norway, as a concept of state and not territory, began as a concept among intellectuals from Norway in Denmark around late 18th century.
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