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On May 02 2012 04:21 Zorkmid wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 00:35 Maxie wrote:
Also under age sex scenes don't work very well. Lol. Dany was 14 or 15 when she was gifted to Drogo I believe.
I believe I'm right when I say she was actually 13.
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Is this some kind of vengance from Stannis, or do you think he still has faith in Davos?
I think it's more that Stannis has faith in Davos and little to no faith in the rest of his councilors and bannermen. Davos has served him well before and knows how to sail, so he's probably the best fit for the task. If it comes off otherwise, it's probably because Stannis is stern and an all around hardass.
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On May 02 2012 03:50 Girondelle wrote:
I have question for you guys.
In the last episode, Stannis told Davos that he would lead the fleet to King's Landing, Davos looked scared as ****. Why was that? Does that mean that is going at the meatgrinder leading the fleet, or is it because the other lords will be jealous he was given such a prestigious position?
Davos is a man of common birth who was just given a role which normally only goes to men of noble birth. Stannis' bannermen will not approve of him being their leader. Also he used to be a smuggler so he hasn't got much experience in sea warfare. I watched it a few hours ago but I recall him saying he spent more time avoiding ships then fighting them or something like that.
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On May 02 2012 04:23 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:21 Zorkmid wrote:On May 02 2012 00:35 Maxie wrote:
Also under age sex scenes don't work very well. Lol. Dany was 14 or 15 when she was gifted to Drogo I believe. I believe I'm right when I say she was actually 13.
I'm pretty sure she was supposed to be 15/16/17 in the show.
Maybe 13 in the book, but we can't talk about that here!
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On May 02 2012 05:30 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:23 Incognoto wrote:On May 02 2012 04:21 Zorkmid wrote:On May 02 2012 00:35 Maxie wrote:
Also under age sex scenes don't work very well. Lol. Dany was 14 or 15 when she was gifted to Drogo I believe. I believe I'm right when I say she was actually 13. I'm pretty sure she was supposed to be 15/16/17 in the show. Maybe 13 in the book, but we can't talk about that here!
Oh I didn't realize we were talking about the show. Because she looks to be 20+ in the show. 
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On May 02 2012 05:56 Incognoto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 05:30 happyness wrote:On May 02 2012 04:23 Incognoto wrote:On May 02 2012 04:21 Zorkmid wrote:On May 02 2012 00:35 Maxie wrote:
Also under age sex scenes don't work very well. Lol. Dany was 14 or 15 when she was gifted to Drogo I believe. I believe I'm right when I say she was actually 13. I'm pretty sure she was supposed to be 15/16/17 in the show. Maybe 13 in the book, but we can't talk about that here! Oh I didn't realize we were talking about the show. Because she looks to be 20+ in the show.
In some places that HBO is shown it is illegal to even portray an underage person having sex so they had to change her age.
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On May 02 2012 05:30 happyness wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 04:23 Incognoto wrote:On May 02 2012 04:21 Zorkmid wrote:On May 02 2012 00:35 Maxie wrote:
Also under age sex scenes don't work very well. Lol. Dany was 14 or 15 when she was gifted to Drogo I believe. I believe I'm right when I say she was actually 13. I'm pretty sure she was supposed to be 15/16/17 in the show. Maybe 13 in the book, but we can't talk about that here!
In the show the characters were aged a few years, for several reasons.
Jon, Robb and Daenerys are supposed to be 17 (all born during the time of Robert's Rebellion).
Sansa is ~14, Arya is ~12, Bran is ~10.
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On May 02 2012 03:46 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 22:37 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 22:12 Zorkmid wrote:On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country? "The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say. Throughout history Norway have been conquered a number of times, by Sweden, Denmark and last but not least Germany. However the people always supported Norway, and the people was loyal to the king even when he was exiled in UK. I think you got it all wrong But the difference is, in westeros it was a rebellion force not a conquering force that overthrew the Targaryens. It was more of a revolution. The people living in the kingdom where not happy with the way it was ruled, so they revolted against the current rulers. You're talking about Norway being attacked by outside nations, which is different. In fact, similar to your examples, the Targaryens were the conquerors. They were not native to Westeros, they came there and took it over.
Revolution? People?
The people dont care who sitts the iron throne. The rebellion was started solely by highborn lords, the average citizen couldn't care less how many northerners the mad king burned alive, they have their own problems and worries.
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I just like the show, wish we had more episodes. I like the Starks and the Nords and I hope they hold their own in the war. Sometimes I think they should show the fights but I guess it wouldnt be that great, depending on the special effects. Anyway, dragons, honor, claims to be kings, white-walkers, houses, lands, strange evil smoke lady, nice acting, castels. It is just great
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On May 02 2012 06:44 unkkz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 03:46 itkovian wrote:On May 01 2012 22:37 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 22:12 Zorkmid wrote:On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country? "The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say. Throughout history Norway have been conquered a number of times, by Sweden, Denmark and last but not least Germany. However the people always supported Norway, and the people was loyal to the king even when he was exiled in UK. I think you got it all wrong But the difference is, in westeros it was a rebellion force not a conquering force that overthrew the Targaryens. It was more of a revolution. The people living in the kingdom where not happy with the way it was ruled, so they revolted against the current rulers. You're talking about Norway being attacked by outside nations, which is different. In fact, similar to your examples, the Targaryens were the conquerors. They were not native to Westeros, they came there and took it over. Revolution? People? The people dont care who sitts the iron throne. The rebellion was started solely by highborn lords, the average citizen couldn't care less how many northerners the mad king burned alive, they have their own problems and worries.
Of course the people care about who is on the throne. Did you watch the last episode? Remember how the people in king's landing were getting pissed about Joffrey, their current king? That scene was explicitly showing how the commoners do have opinions about who is king. And I don't think they would be too fond of King Aerys Targaryen seeing as how he was going to burn the whole city to the ground when it was under attack. Obviously, who is king does affect their lives. Now, maybe I misspoke when I called it a revolution, since it wasn't an organic movement by the people, but more, like you said, a rebellion by other nobles. Still, the commoners do care who is ruling over them..
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On May 02 2012 11:10 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:44 unkkz wrote:On May 02 2012 03:46 itkovian wrote:On May 01 2012 22:37 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 22:12 Zorkmid wrote:On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country? "The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say. Throughout history Norway have been conquered a number of times, by Sweden, Denmark and last but not least Germany. However the people always supported Norway, and the people was loyal to the king even when he was exiled in UK. I think you got it all wrong But the difference is, in westeros it was a rebellion force not a conquering force that overthrew the Targaryens. It was more of a revolution. The people living in the kingdom where not happy with the way it was ruled, so they revolted against the current rulers. You're talking about Norway being attacked by outside nations, which is different. In fact, similar to your examples, the Targaryens were the conquerors. They were not native to Westeros, they came there and took it over. Revolution? People? The people dont care who sitts the iron throne. The rebellion was started solely by highborn lords, the average citizen couldn't care less how many northerners the mad king burned alive, they have their own problems and worries. Of course the people care about who is on the throne. Did you watch the last episode? Remember how the people in king's landing were getting pissed about Joffrey, their current king? That scene was explicitly showing how the commoners do have opinions about who is king. And I don't think they would be too fond of King Aerys Targaryen seeing as how he was going to burn the whole city to the ground when it was under attack. Obviously, who is king does affect their lives. Now, maybe I misspoke when I called it a revolution, since it wasn't an organic movement by the people, but more, like you said, a rebellion by other nobles. Still, the commoners do care who is ruling over them..
A valid point. Man, why do I have to wait until next Sunday 
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On May 02 2012 11:10 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:44 unkkz wrote:On May 02 2012 03:46 itkovian wrote:On May 01 2012 22:37 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 22:12 Zorkmid wrote:On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country? "The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say. Throughout history Norway have been conquered a number of times, by Sweden, Denmark and last but not least Germany. However the people always supported Norway, and the people was loyal to the king even when he was exiled in UK. I think you got it all wrong But the difference is, in westeros it was a rebellion force not a conquering force that overthrew the Targaryens. It was more of a revolution. The people living in the kingdom where not happy with the way it was ruled, so they revolted against the current rulers. You're talking about Norway being attacked by outside nations, which is different. In fact, similar to your examples, the Targaryens were the conquerors. They were not native to Westeros, they came there and took it over. Revolution? People? The people dont care who sitts the iron throne. The rebellion was started solely by highborn lords, the average citizen couldn't care less how many northerners the mad king burned alive, they have their own problems and worries. Of course the people care about who is on the throne. Did you watch the last episode? Remember how the people in king's landing were getting pissed about Joffrey, their current king? That scene was explicitly showing how the commoners do have opinions about who is king. And I don't think they would be too fond of King Aerys Targaryen seeing as how he was going to burn the whole city to the ground when it was under attack. Obviously, who is king does affect their lives. Now, maybe I misspoke when I called it a revolution, since it wasn't an organic movement by the people, but more, like you said, a rebellion by other nobles. Still, the commoners do care who is ruling over them..
Still though, the commoners don't care who the actual King is - they care that they still have food, and water, and that the crime in the city is controlled. King's Landing is starving, and full of thieves and murderers and it seems to the common people that the King and his council aren't doing anything to help them. THAT is why they care; not that Joffrey is the "wrong" king, but because he isn't taking care of them.
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There's something I don't understand. Tyrion spread fake messages about marrying Marcella to a certain place to 3 different people to catch the spy. And Cersi thinks she is being sent off to Dawn. But is she really being sent off? And did which spy told which information have any impact on Tyrion sending Marcella off to a different location? For example, if Littlefingers told on him instead, would Tyrion have sent Marcella to the Veil instead?
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Princess Myrcella is supposed to be sent off to Dorne. Tyrion intends to forge an alliance between Dorne and the Lannisters and seal it with a marriage pact. He used this opportunity to test the loyalty of the 3 councilors.
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On May 02 2012 15:14 iaguz wrote:
Princess Myrcella is supposed to be sent off to Dorne. Tyrion intends to forge an alliance between Dorne and the Lannisters and seal it with a marriage pact. He used this opportunity to test the loyalty of the 3 councilors.
So whether Grandmaster Pycil or another person told Cersi, Myrcella was always gonna be sent off to Dorne?
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On May 02 2012 15:24 GhostOwl wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 15:14 iaguz wrote:
Princess Myrcella is supposed to be sent off to Dorne. Tyrion intends to forge an alliance between Dorne and the Lannisters and seal it with a marriage pact. He used this opportunity to test the loyalty of the 3 councilors. So whether Grandmaster Pycil or another person told Cersi, Myrcella was always gonna be sent off to Dorne?
Indeed
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On May 02 2012 11:10 itkovian wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 06:44 unkkz wrote:On May 02 2012 03:46 itkovian wrote:On May 01 2012 22:37 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 22:12 Zorkmid wrote:On May 01 2012 22:03 Spykiller wrote:On May 01 2012 21:54 RighteousDan wrote:On May 01 2012 21:42 Spykiller wrote:
About the alliance between the Thargarians and the Starks, you cant forget that it was the Starks and Barathians who defeated the king and exiled the last heirs to the throne.
Dany will get a lot of followers on returning to the mainland, considering she is the real heir to the throne, it was stolen from her family by Robert Barathian in the war, and the people may still be loyal to her, especially considering the stories about the current rulers(incest, infidelity) and a war probably isnt helping the mood of the people.
I havent read the books and i wont until the series is finished, however i love this world, it seems so real. I want to adventure in theese lands again after the show. Does anyone know if there is any more stories(books, short stories, movies etc) or if anything is planned? But the commoners wouldn't care to be honest. Not much would change from them from one ruler to the next. They'd still be the lower class, and they'd still have to pay ridiculously high taxes. But they would. If Canada was conquered by USA and 20 years later the idea of Canada as a soverign country would rise again, would you not support the claim that Canada is its own country? "The south shall rise again" is sort of dismissed as a stupid thing to say. Throughout history Norway have been conquered a number of times, by Sweden, Denmark and last but not least Germany. However the people always supported Norway, and the people was loyal to the king even when he was exiled in UK. I think you got it all wrong But the difference is, in westeros it was a rebellion force not a conquering force that overthrew the Targaryens. It was more of a revolution. The people living in the kingdom where not happy with the way it was ruled, so they revolted against the current rulers. You're talking about Norway being attacked by outside nations, which is different. In fact, similar to your examples, the Targaryens were the conquerors. They were not native to Westeros, they came there and took it over. Revolution? People? The people dont care who sitts the iron throne. The rebellion was started solely by highborn lords, the average citizen couldn't care less how many northerners the mad king burned alive, they have their own problems and worries. Of course the people care about who is on the throne. Did you watch the last episode? Remember how the people in king's landing were getting pissed about Joffrey, their current king? That scene was explicitly showing how the commoners do have opinions about who is king. And I don't think they would be too fond of King Aerys Targaryen seeing as how he was going to burn the whole city to the ground when it was under attack. Obviously, who is king does affect their lives. Now, maybe I misspoke when I called it a revolution, since it wasn't an organic movement by the people, but more, like you said, a rebellion by other nobles. Still, the commoners do care who is ruling over them..
I wonder how much people really know about mad king act to burn Kings Landing. I don't think Jamie is that much story teller why he killed king. Even Robert seemed clueless after 18 years when Jamie told "Burn them all" or perhaps he feared that Jamie might kill him if he does somethign wrong (with that look he had).
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In the last episode, what did they say in the show that the meat the cute dragon ate was?
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On May 02 2012 19:12 Forumite wrote:
In the last episode, what did they say in the show that the meat the cute dragon ate was?
I don't think they did. The reason the dragon ate it is described in the book.
+ Show Spoiler +The dragons don't eat raw meat, that's why they spurned the food she tried to give them when they were travelling but ate this one. So the key in the scene shouldn't be what kind of meat but that the dragon grilled it with dragonfire first.
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On May 02 2012 19:19 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2012 19:12 Forumite wrote:
In the last episode, what did they say in the show that the meat the cute dragon ate was? I don't think they did. The reason the dragon ate it is described in the book. + Show Spoiler +
Thanks. Dany saying that the dragons can feed themselves makes sense now.
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