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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6660 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:21 Maginor wrote: Oh, It's cultural? Well, then it is perfectly ok  Whether its right or wrong is completely irrelevant. just because someone does something 'wrong' does not make them an idiot is my point. I like the the Greyjoys attitude. Again this is because its fitting for their world. That mentality keeps them alive seeing as they appear to live on an island that can't sustain itself without them raiding and pillaging etc. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
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Leth0
856 Posts
The greyjoys are creatures of their environment. They are hard men, raised in a hard life, in a hard place. There is no room for sympathy or courtesy. They are Ironborn, and they do not sow. | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:36 Leth0 wrote: Yea, the series would be so much better if everyone was happy fun time and got along and nobody would ever get hurt. The greyjoys are creatures of their environment. They are hard men, raised in a hard life, in a hard place. There is no room for sympathy or courtesy. They are Ironborn, and they do not sow. Yea, they are good antagonists for the series, doesn't mean I have to like them ... | ||
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Raneth
England527 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:36 Leth0 wrote: Yea, the series would be so much better if everyone was happy fun time and got along and nobody would ever get hurt. The greyjoys are creatures of their environment. They are hard men, raised in a hard life, in a hard place. There is no room for sympathy or courtesy. They are Ironborn, and they do not sow. I like the contrast of the starks being the rough hard northeners in S1. With Ned even being asked to change into "more suitable garbs" for small council. Then when theon gets to Iron islands, its like the starks are the poofy southerners compared to Lord Greyjoy in his rag | ||
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Leth0
856 Posts
It's a story , sit back and enjoy the ride, quit nitpicking everything. | ||
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0x64
Finland4632 Posts
The do trade probably but that are not some fancypants wearing ornamental stuff. If you don't need it, dont wear it. Wearing stuff from your killed foe warns others not to fuck with you. | ||
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JitnikoVi
Russian Federation396 Posts
 excited for episode 5 ! | ||
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Maginor
Norway505 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:40 Leth0 wrote: Nobody said you have to like them. But you are not in charge of how characters or the story is being told so trying to rationalize why they should be different is pointless. It's a story , sit back and enjoy the ride, quit nitpicking everything. I'm not nitpicking or criticizing the way the story is told. I say that I hate the Greyjoy's attitude, which is just my emotional reaction to it. Doesn't mean I think they should have been written differently. They make for great antagonists. | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On April 26 2012 04:45 RvB wrote: They certainly are one of the 7 kingdoms the targaryens just never conquered their lands but instead acquired it via marriage. They're the 7th and last to be assimilated by the iron throne. I am pretty sure the seven kingdoms are: Dragonstone Island (Targ) The Stormlands (Baratheon) The Reach (Tyrell) The West (Lannister) The Vale (Aryn) The Riverlands (Tully) The North (Stark) | ||
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Malaz
Germany1257 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:43 Maginor wrote: I'm not nitpicking or criticizing the way the story is told. I say that I hate the Greyjoy's attitude, which is just my emotional reaction to it. Doesn't mean I think they should have been written differently. They make for great antagonists. I personally love the Greyjoys! "What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger" | ||
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
On April 26 2012 06:44 hzflank wrote: I am pretty sure the seven kingdoms are: Dragonstone Island (Targ) The Stormlands (Baratheon) The Reach (Tyrell) The West (Lannister) The Vale (Aryn) The Riverlands (Tully) The North (Stark) Dorne(Martell) The Stormlands (Baratheon) The Reach (Tyrell) The West (Lannister) The Vale (Aryn) The North (Stark) The Iron Islands(Greyjoy) Were the original seven kingdoms, the rest were ruled by one of those seven. The targs didn't have a kingdom prior to owning face upon arrival. Greyjoys had most of the riverlands | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On April 26 2012 07:18 Malaz wrote: I personally love the Greyjoys! "What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger" Sounds like a necromancers chant to me :p Fits well with their buisness model of murdering people for food and jewlery too. I wonder if Joeffry made Ros kill the other whore or just beat her really badly. | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On April 26 2012 07:33 feanor1 wrote: Add Dorne(Martell) The Stormlands (Baratheon) The Reach (Tyrell) The West (Lannister) The Vale (Aryn) The North (Stark) The Iron Islands(Greyjoy) Were the original seven kingdoms, the rest were ruled by one of those seven. The targs didn't have a kingdom prior to owning face upon arrival. Greyjoys had most of the riverlands Indeed. If you recall from the Boar Hunt in season 1, Making the 8 required fucking a girl from each of the 7 kingdoms AND the riverlands. So in current times the riverlands are not included as one of the 7 kingdoms although apparently before Aegons conquest it was in the same Kingdom as the Iron Islands and Ruled from Harrenhal. | ||
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SilverLeagueElite
United States626 Posts
I too use to hate her because she's so passive and just a pawn for others to push around. There isn't much she can do except watch and listen. But all her time isn't wasted; she's learning how to lie and mistrust. At this point, she's the most underdog character but I can understand why others might not care for her. My own views shifted when I understood her character a little better. Sansa represents the innocence lost character. Believing in the stories that all knights are gallant and all that shit. No one seems to have bothered to tell her that the real world is fucking hard. The symbolic 'innocence lost' moment came when she lost her wolf and in the process losing herself. The dire wolves have a deeper connection to the Starks than just pets. Notice how all the Stark kids are relatively thriving(proactive), except Sansa. | ||
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rfoster
United States1005 Posts
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Hoban
United States1600 Posts
Tbh the Stark sisters are my favorite storylines. Arya is shaping up to be a complete badass and learning what the world is truly like, not to mention her fascination with death now. Sansa is trying and mostly failing to live in the worst possible company. For her, life is so hopeless. It isn't the fear that she could just be gutted at any moment by a Lannister, if she somehow doesn't get murdered within the next handful of years, she has to marry Geoffrey. Can you think of a more hellish circumstance than that? Imo her tale is very compelling. | ||
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Albrithe
Canada187 Posts
On April 26 2012 08:54 gogatorsfoster wrote: Just got hbogo and watched the whole series within 36 hours. (I have a problem);;; Doesn't sound like a problem to me :D | ||
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TabyLing
Australia69 Posts
I really like the way the different strengths of the characters are shown in their different personalities and situations. I know people are all like Sansa was evil nasty girl in season 1, but I don't really agree, her and Arya fought alot and are really different people, they were both really naive in season 1 in different ways and now they are growing up and seeing harsh realities. I'm interested in what will happen to both of them, I wonder if Arya will hate Tywin or see him as a Lannister she can respect. I mean I think there is a something the show is highlighting, that there are these expected roles that people are supposed to play based on station and gender, but people don't always fit these roles, like Sam didn't fit the first born male role his father wanted him too, he really is weak in everything his father wanted him to be and everything he is expected to be, being a male lord, but that isn't him, he is strong in himself though, and not stupid, he couldn't be himself at home but I think at the wall his real strengths are able to come out, although I only think we have seen glimpses of these. The last ep we saw him in he was a bit silly with that girl, but previously he was able to read between the lines, like when Jon was so angry he was made a steward, Sam was able to say "nonono Jon they are making you that so you can lead one day". Then there are the female characters like Arya and Breanne who are very strong but not at all ladies, infact they are probably very weak at that role, that doesn't mean the characters who fit the ladies role are weak and pathetic, Cat and Sansa, Renlys wife these are all very strong women. There is Tyrian who was always a dissapointment to Tywin, deformed can't fight etc, but now I think Tywin really sees his strength, especially when he was able to make allies with the wild mountain tribes, Tywin can see his great cunning and knows he will be best placed keeping things togeather at Kingslanding with his ability to play people, when in the past he always looked down on him and saw him as pathetic. I loved the convo Tyrian had with Varys about what power really is, and how people percieve it, their strength is in being that kind of power, the shadow on the wall, Varys most of all has that kind of power. Geoffrey I think is one of those characters who can be seen as evil because they are mad, unlike the other characters doing things with questionable morals, they are at least doing them for some reason that benefits them or others, you know there is a reason there. Geoffrey seems to be one of those chaotic characters that is cruel and terrible because he is mad, I think he is interesting, alot of people are trying to control him. Cersei, Tyrian, even to some extent Sansa ( she stopped him killing that drunken knight who came to the battle late). I think he is rebelling against these people trying to control him, he had Ned killed, despite Cersei wanting him to spare him, he went after the bastards on his own without her knowing, even threated her with death, his uncle who still has some control over him, he is rebelling against too destroying the gift Tyrian sent him, was that just out of spite for his uncle embarresing him while he was trying to punish Sansa or was it also a way of saying "I will not play into your hands and have sex with these whores like you want, you can't manipulate me". I think he is an interesting character, he is quite mad imo, and he has had people trying to control him his entire life since he will be king so a good person to control, but unlike robyn of the earie( who I think is also quite mad) he is not an idiot, and he is not weak, I don't think he will be so easy to control. His madness makes him very dangerous and cruel, not the kind of person you want to have power. I wonder what will happen with Cersei, she used to have alot of power, control over many in the council, control over her son, she had her brother and lover, but now he is lost, Tyrian is taking over the council and her son is completely defying her. In some ways I think she is strong, but now she is losing the game, Tyrian even mocks her about her mistakes and her father seeing them "who is the favoured child now". She seems like she is losing it a bit, everything is crumbling around her atm. I feel really sorry for her though, she was sent to marry Robert, who she did love once, but he never loved her, he loved Lyanna a love that he lost and never recovered from. He treated her badly, she was probably alone when she lost her first son, even though Robert was there when it happened and maybe tried to help her a bit, I don't think he ever gave her any love or care. She had to be strong in all of this, and I think she was, she grew hard and cruel in the end though, she really lost herself I think, her convo with Robert before he died I think you really see all this. The only person she ever did share a love and connection with was her brother, she must love him so much and now he is lost to her. Now she has lost everything, she must think her daughter is being sent away to live the same cruel life she had to aswell, I don't think Tyrian would have told her it was all just a ploy but I dunno this hasn't really been explained, were all of these proposed matches that Tyrian thought would be good and he would go with the one that Cercei was told about? I don't think Tyrian likes Cercei at all, even though he loves the rest of his family. I wonder what will happen to her, a very sad character imo. Man I'm so interested in everything that is happening, I do wish HBO could give it a bigger budget, but ohwell. I wanna be able to buy the dvd set from HBO itself, to support the source, but stupid region locks means I can't play it in Australia ;/. I dunno if we are supposed to spoiler our theory crafting for the series, I havnt read the books so this is just stuff I think will happen based on what I have seen in the series, so i don't want any confirmation or anything I just wanna share, but I spoilered it so you don't have to read it if you dont wanna read theorycrafting (is about Dany and the shadow). + Show Spoiler + I am also really interested in Dany, like in season 1 we saw Arya overhear those 2 men talking about delaying war and speeding up the Dothraki invasion, Im pretty sure that was Varys especially after the convo he had with Baelish, I think she has some very powerful allies that she doesnt know about, infact I think they used Roberts hate of the Targareans so that they could stage an attempted assasination of Dany, Im pretty sure Jorah had to know it was the wine seller and he had to call it out, so that they could cause Drogo to want to retaliate and invade the realm. Now that, that plan failed and Drogo died I am really curious what will happen. I think Dany wont be in such a dire situation forever, maybe that guy in the 13 at Qarth(the one from the sunset isles? who let Dany in) is in league with Varys and the others from the free cities helping Dany. Anway I think there is definatly an interest in her gaining the throne from some powerful people, but I wonder what they can do now their plan with the dothraki failed, what will they do with the knowlege that the dragons have returned when Jorah can get word out, I wonder if they might be able to supply info on what they eat and stuff. My theory on the shadow thing is that it will be something to kill and then copy Renly or control Renly so that he will ally with Stannis, after all Stannis was like I will have your answer in the Dawn. Forcing Renly to swear feality with him by what ever means will be much better for Stannis than losing troupes and honour waring with his brother, after all family feude is pretty ugly. | ||
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