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Your mention of dragon legs brings up something else I would like to discuss. I feel like baby dragons would be excellent eats. Somewhat like fried frogs but with a zestier, more spicy aftertaste. opinions?
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On June 21 2011 17:13 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 17:08 SiguR wrote:On June 21 2011 16:53 travis wrote:On June 21 2011 16:52 CruS wrote:On June 21 2011 16:48 NearlyDead wrote:
The difference is, donkeys and horses are real. Dragons are not. People are free to have their own artistic interpretation of what they look like. However, I am sure if you offered to pay them the extra money to create 4 legged dragons, they would do so. Why can you not have a discussion about a fictional or mythological creature? Thor was a girl with a hammer, right? no thor was a guy with a hammer but if there had been comics or movies or stories or whatever the fuck where thor is a girl with a hammer then thor would be a guy or a girl with a hammer, get it? Erm... A more appropriate analogy would be if all male thunder gods were called Thor and all female thunder gods were called Susy, and a show had a male thundergod called Susy. Sure it's okay because it's imaginary and could be called anything, but it's still most likely an error unless it's being done to demonstrate a point or idea. However, I am blown away by how many people are ostracizing that guy for making a distinction between wyverns and dragons. It's a completely valid thing to bring up... this thread is for discussing the show, and he is discussing it. He is not doing any harm pointing it out. Just because something doesn't exist outside of our imagination doesn't mean it shouldn't be defined and classified. It's not even that unreasonable of a thing to nitpick at. The level of hostility is really surprising. Travis, your initial post talking down to him was really terrible and I have no idea how you didn't get a warning for it. I would report you but the button is mysteriously unavailable on your posts. edit: here it is! How the shit is that acceptable? + Show Spoiler +On June 21 2011 10:15 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:00 BallinWitStallin wrote:
Was anyone else pissed that the dragons were actually wyverns? the fuck are you talking about, nerd like seriously, wow give me a break, the guy is obviously a massive nerd, so that isn't talking down to him at all if he has a problem with the fact that he is a nerd then that's his issue. I have no problems with the fact that I am a nerd, and frankly I am insulted you think that there is anything wrong with being a nerd. So I will be expecting an apology.
nope, it was still pretty unacceptable, especially from a mod or admin or whatever your cool name makes you. he probably is a nerd though
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Dragons can be a Komodo dragon that can spit some napalm generated by glands for all I care, I just want a scenario where things are consistent and well developed, and ASOFAI does that.
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On June 21 2011 17:09 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 16:59 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 16:48 NearlyDead wrote:
The difference is, donkeys and horses are real. Dragons are not. People are free to have their own artistic interpretation of what they look like. However, I am sure if you offered to pay them the extra money to create 4 legged dragons, they would do so. Unicorns are mythical as well, but if you put wings on them they are no longer a unicorn. It is well established that a horse/unicorn with wings is a Pegasus. So replace donkey and horses with unicorns and Pegasus. The point still remains. Are you seriously arguing this? Seriously? Fine, I'll let you argue it. Show me the evidence that clearly lays out which are dragons/wyverns/wyrms/whatever. It better be backed up with facts from reliable sources. I'll be back in 5
Show me evidence that clearly lays out the names are interchangeable. Better be backed up with facts from a reliable source.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wyvern
Sounds like what was depicted in the last episode.
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god you guys are sensitive. are you hurt that I used the F word?
BallinWitStallin I apologize if I hurt your feelings. It wasn't my intention lol
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On June 21 2011 17:18 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 17:09 tbrown47 wrote:On June 21 2011 16:59 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 16:48 NearlyDead wrote:
The difference is, donkeys and horses are real. Dragons are not. People are free to have their own artistic interpretation of what they look like. However, I am sure if you offered to pay them the extra money to create 4 legged dragons, they would do so. Unicorns are mythical as well, but if you put wings on them they are no longer a unicorn. It is well established that a horse/unicorn with wings is a Pegasus. So replace donkey and horses with unicorns and Pegasus. The point still remains. Are you seriously arguing this? Seriously? Fine, I'll let you argue it. Show me the evidence that clearly lays out which are dragons/wyverns/wyrms/whatever. It better be backed up with facts from reliable sources. I'll be back in 5 Show me evidence that clearly lays out the names are interchangeable. Better be backed up with facts from a reliable source. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wyvernSounds like what was depicted in the last episode.
googled difference in dragons in culture
http://www.draconika.com/culture.php
k i win
wikipedia quote lol
There are two distinct cultural traditions of dragons: the European dragon, derived from European folk traditions and ultimately related to Greek and Middle Eastern mythologies, and the Chinese dragon, with counterparts in Japan, Korea and other East Asian countries.
another:
Dragons are usually shown in modern times with a body like a huge lizard, or a snake with two pairs of lizard-type legs, and able to emit fire from their mouths. The European dragon has bat-type wings growing from its back. A dragon-like creature with no front legs is known as a wyvern.
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On June 21 2011 17:18 LeLeech wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 17:09 tbrown47 wrote:On June 21 2011 16:59 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 16:48 NearlyDead wrote:
The difference is, donkeys and horses are real. Dragons are not. People are free to have their own artistic interpretation of what they look like. However, I am sure if you offered to pay them the extra money to create 4 legged dragons, they would do so. Unicorns are mythical as well, but if you put wings on them they are no longer a unicorn. It is well established that a horse/unicorn with wings is a Pegasus. So replace donkey and horses with unicorns and Pegasus. The point still remains. Are you seriously arguing this? Seriously? Fine, I'll let you argue it. Show me the evidence that clearly lays out which are dragons/wyverns/wyrms/whatever. It better be backed up with facts from reliable sources. I'll be back in 5 Show me evidence that clearly lays out the names are interchangeable. Better be backed up with facts from a reliable source. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wyvernSounds like what was depicted in the last episode.
The argument wasn't whether or not it was a wyvern. The argument was whether or not it was a dragon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon
Dragons are usually shown in modern times with a body like a huge lizard, or a snake with two pairs of lizard-type legs, and able to emit fire from their mouths. The European dragon has bat-type wings growing from its back. A dragon-like creature with no front legs is known as a wyvern. Following discovery of how pterosaurs walked on the ground, some dragons have been portrayed without front legs and using the wings as front legs pterosaur-fashion when on the ground.
since we are being scientific about it, even according to wikipedia it's a dragon.
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On June 21 2011 17:21 tbrown47 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 17:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 17:09 tbrown47 wrote:On June 21 2011 16:59 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 16:48 NearlyDead wrote:
The difference is, donkeys and horses are real. Dragons are not. People are free to have their own artistic interpretation of what they look like. However, I am sure if you offered to pay them the extra money to create 4 legged dragons, they would do so. Unicorns are mythical as well, but if you put wings on them they are no longer a unicorn. It is well established that a horse/unicorn with wings is a Pegasus. So replace donkey and horses with unicorns and Pegasus. The point still remains. Are you seriously arguing this? Seriously? Fine, I'll let you argue it. Show me the evidence that clearly lays out which are dragons/wyverns/wyrms/whatever. It better be backed up with facts from reliable sources. I'll be back in 5 Show me evidence that clearly lays out the names are interchangeable. Better be backed up with facts from a reliable source. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wyvernSounds like what was depicted in the last episode. googled difference in dragons in culture http://www.draconika.com/culture.phpk i win wikipedia quote lol Show nested quote +There are two distinct cultural traditions of dragons: the European dragon, derived from European folk traditions and ultimately related to Greek and Middle Eastern mythologies, and the Chinese dragon, with counterparts in Japan, Korea and other East Asian countries. another: Show nested quote +Dragons are usually shown in modern times with a body like a huge lizard, or a snake with two pairs of lizard-type legs, and able to emit fire from their mouths. The European dragon has bat-type wings growing from its back. A dragon-like creature with no front legs is known as a wyvern.
Um... I'm going to pull a quote from the site you just linked...
Wyverns are similar to dragons, and have only two legs.
The wyvern is a creature of legend, and a cousin to the dragon. Wyverns are winged, serpent-like creatures. Unlike dragons, wyverns have only two legs, a barbed tail, and cannot breathe fire. Wyverns are smaller than dragons.
I'm pretty sure that draws a clear distinction between dragons and wyverns, which is what the original post about the topic was trying to draw attention to.
Edit: The point of all this is to show that there is a clear distinction in the widely accepted definition of a wyvern and a dragon. The guy who made the first post was just stating an observation he made, which as it turns out, was completely accurate. He didn't draw any conclusions or suggest it was going to ruin the show. Jumping down a guy's throat, calling him a nerd and saying you'd punch him in the face if the conversation were in person because he was right about something that everyone else was apparently ignorant about is pretty atavistic.
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Sigur if you watch the video it clearly has appendages attached to it's wings and uses them as legs.
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On June 21 2011 17:25 SiguR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 17:21 tbrown47 wrote:On June 21 2011 17:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 17:09 tbrown47 wrote:On June 21 2011 16:59 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 16:48 NearlyDead wrote:
The difference is, donkeys and horses are real. Dragons are not. People are free to have their own artistic interpretation of what they look like. However, I am sure if you offered to pay them the extra money to create 4 legged dragons, they would do so. Unicorns are mythical as well, but if you put wings on them they are no longer a unicorn. It is well established that a horse/unicorn with wings is a Pegasus. So replace donkey and horses with unicorns and Pegasus. The point still remains. Are you seriously arguing this? Seriously? Fine, I'll let you argue it. Show me the evidence that clearly lays out which are dragons/wyverns/wyrms/whatever. It better be backed up with facts from reliable sources. I'll be back in 5 Show me evidence that clearly lays out the names are interchangeable. Better be backed up with facts from a reliable source. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wyvernSounds like what was depicted in the last episode. googled difference in dragons in culture http://www.draconika.com/culture.phpk i win wikipedia quote lol There are two distinct cultural traditions of dragons: the European dragon, derived from European folk traditions and ultimately related to Greek and Middle Eastern mythologies, and the Chinese dragon, with counterparts in Japan, Korea and other East Asian countries. another: Dragons are usually shown in modern times with a body like a huge lizard, or a snake with two pairs of lizard-type legs, and able to emit fire from their mouths. The European dragon has bat-type wings growing from its back. A dragon-like creature with no front legs is known as a wyvern. Um... I'm going to pull a quote from the site you just linked... Show nested quote +
Wyverns are similar to dragons, and have only two legs.
The wyvern is a creature of legend, and a cousin to the dragon. Wyverns are winged, serpent-like creatures. Unlike dragons, wyverns have only two legs, a barbed tail, and cannot breathe fire. Wyverns are smaller than dragons.
I'm pretty sure that draws a clear distinction between dragons and wyverns, which is what the original post about the topic was trying to draw attention to.
legs with wings attached != no legs
edit: what travis said
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well, i guess if you got nothing that matters to talk about, FUCKING DRAGON WINGLEGS will suffice :D
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I like how a guy threatened to stab me in the face for adding in details to one side of the what was then not even an argument.
I didn't even really care about the distinction. XD
And they were walking pterosaur style I believe so they're fine to me.
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On June 21 2011 11:19 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 10:00 BallinWitStallin wrote:
Was anyone else pissed that the dragons were actually wyverns? Was anyone else pissed that the Canis dirus were actually Canis lupus familliaris?
Ahahaha post of the year imo.
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Anyway, the point is that I'm pretty sure most people see it as Dragon is the "master" class, and everything else is subclass. All wyverns are dragons but not all dragons are wyverns etc. Arguing that they "were wyverns not dragons!" Is just silly in every way.
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who gives a shit, they look good. problem solved nerds
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On June 21 2011 17:15 NearlyDead wrote:
Your mention of dragon legs brings up something else I would like to discuss. I feel like baby dragons would be excellent eats. Somewhat like fried frogs but with a zestier, more spicy aftertaste. opinions?
an expensive dish out of my budget
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On June 21 2011 17:36 freelander wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 17:15 NearlyDead wrote:
Your mention of dragon legs brings up something else I would like to discuss. I feel like baby dragons would be excellent eats. Somewhat like fried frogs but with a zestier, more spicy aftertaste. opinions? an expensive dish out of my budget
Cue discussion on how much dragon legs would cost?
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On June 21 2011 17:24 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2011 17:18 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 17:09 tbrown47 wrote:On June 21 2011 16:59 LeLeech wrote:On June 21 2011 16:48 NearlyDead wrote:
The difference is, donkeys and horses are real. Dragons are not. People are free to have their own artistic interpretation of what they look like. However, I am sure if you offered to pay them the extra money to create 4 legged dragons, they would do so. Unicorns are mythical as well, but if you put wings on them they are no longer a unicorn. It is well established that a horse/unicorn with wings is a Pegasus. So replace donkey and horses with unicorns and Pegasus. The point still remains. Are you seriously arguing this? Seriously? Fine, I'll let you argue it. Show me the evidence that clearly lays out which are dragons/wyverns/wyrms/whatever. It better be backed up with facts from reliable sources. I'll be back in 5 Show me evidence that clearly lays out the names are interchangeable. Better be backed up with facts from a reliable source. http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wyvernSounds like what was depicted in the last episode. The argument wasn't whether or not it was a wyvern. The argument was whether or not it was a dragon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DragonShow nested quote +
Dragons are usually shown in modern times with a body like a huge lizard, or a snake with two pairs of lizard-type legs, and able to emit fire from their mouths. The European dragon has bat-type wings growing from its back. A dragon-like creature with no front legs is known as a wyvern. Following discovery of how pterosaurs walked on the ground, some dragons have been portrayed without front legs and using the wings as front legs pterosaur-fashion when on the ground.
since we are being scientific about it, even according to wikipedia it's a dragon.
What is scientific about it? It's wikipedia and there is no citation for anything in that passage.
If you're argument is that in some places in some part of the world some people depict dragons as what is defined as a wyvern then how can anyone argue against that.
But then just take a simple look though that wikipedia page or google images, none of those dragons front legs are attached to their wings.
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I'm gobsmacked that anyone cares so much about the finer points of what and what isn't a dragon/wyvern/napalm spitting dinosaur
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Wow guys really, they are reptiles with wings, tails, and breath fire
That wasn't enough for you?
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