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pvilanoma
Profile Joined April 2019
7 Posts
April 15 2019 08:12 GMT
#34261
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Bloody great episode.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
April 15 2019 09:25 GMT
#34262
On April 15 2019 14:21 Emnjay808 wrote:
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On April 15 2019 13:37 Shock710 wrote:
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I am so confused on how they are gonna settle out the throne, Jon didnt want the throne before (being told hes the heir), Danny has been set on it pretty much the whole show, Sansa hates Danny and Jon, that Arya scene makes me think Arya with Sansa more than Jon.

So
Danny wants the throne but it isnt hers (her whole thing is that shes the rightful heir will she let Jon take it?)
Will Jon fight for the throne if danny wont yield
What does Sansa want, she doesnt like Danny, definitely doesnt like Cersi, someone has to sit on the throne (will she support Jon)

Im so confused...

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also why dont the northerns (including the bear lady) believe that if they stand alone they're gonna all die? Did they not pull the wight show with the Northerns before brining it to Cersi?
Everyone is hating on Jon for bending the knee to Danny but there was no choice unless he wants everyone to die, its like what they mentioned in the historys of game of thrones youtube series one of the old Starks bent the knee when the first dragon dude (i forget if its Aegon) came to westros and was like either u all die or u bend the knee, if anything Jon is following tradition

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I think its just more to showcase how loyal the Northerners are. If they didnt spend at least one episode of them being resistant to Dany then it wouldnt feel believable that they decided to join up, even if it is against fighting against the dead.

Um... this episode felt like a waste. 1 hour of people flirting sex, and mediocre-acting reunions. Hoping the rest of the eps in this season will be better.

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when you put it like that, that does seem reasonable but it feels rush/not thought out. I mean the wall has been broken and even if they didnt see a undead dragon knock it down surely they would understand the gravity of the situation...we arent getting anything from the northerns that shows theyre worried about the undead army (theyre preping but almost as if they think they can win even without dannys help)
Which reminds me the impact of the wall falling was a huge moment in the end of season 7 but no shots of the news and the reaction everyone is very matter of the fact about it
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
April 15 2019 09:50 GMT
#34263
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Call me crazy but Bran is my favorite character atm. Ending with seeing Jamie and waiting for old friend. Good stuff.

Disappointed with the first episode overall though.
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9768 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-15 12:09:39
April 15 2019 10:16 GMT
#34264
On April 15 2019 18:50 Grettin wrote:
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Call me crazy but Bran is my favorite character atm. Ending with seeing Jamie and waiting for old friend. Good stuff.

Disappointed with the first episode overall though.


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You crazy

Also disappointed tbh. It wasn't the lack of action but more the lack of... events.

Also, did littlefinger fake his death at the end of the last season?
I've seen some theories going around that we saw him pass a coin to a faceless woman in the episode before his death. She said to him "your time is up."
I really hope so. It would work so well as a plotline.

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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
April 15 2019 12:25 GMT
#34265
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How was it filler, so many characters meeting with history between them.

I like how dragons are pictured as fighter jets really, needing huge amount of resources to keep them in the air. Imagine fueling a plane with goats.

But then on the other hand the unsullied march into snow without winter clothing /facepalm

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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2547 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-15 12:48:30
April 15 2019 12:46 GMT
#34266
On April 15 2019 21:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
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How was it filler, so many characters meeting with history between them.

I like how dragons are pictured as fighter jets really, needing huge amount of resources to keep them in the air. Imagine fueling a plane with goats.

But then on the other hand the unsullied march into snow without winter clothing /facepalm


A pretty apt comparison, actually. You know, the Targarayens had saddles for their dragons to keep themselves mounted to them. Apparently, Dany and Jon don't need such things. They must have the upper body strength of professional rock climbers.

Do you know how many G-forces are acting on their bodies when those things take off? How the fuck do they not fall off?

This is what I thought of during that scene

Except the Dragons fly all over the place - up down left right - if that scene was at all grounded in reality, Jon would have fallen off when his Dragon dove down into the canyon like that.
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4139 Posts
April 15 2019 12:53 GMT
#34267
Quite slow first episode imo but shaping up to be an epic season.
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
April 15 2019 12:55 GMT
#34268
On April 15 2019 21:46 Hyperbola wrote:
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On April 15 2019 21:25 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
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How was it filler, so many characters meeting with history between them.

I like how dragons are pictured as fighter jets really, needing huge amount of resources to keep them in the air. Imagine fueling a plane with goats.

But then on the other hand the unsullied march into snow without winter clothing /facepalm


A pretty apt comparison, actually. You know, the Targarayens had saddles for their dragons to keep themselves mounted to them. Apparently, Dany and Jon don't need such things. They must have the upper body strength of professional rock climbers.

Do you know how many G-forces are acting on their bodies when those things take off? How the fuck do they not fall off?

This is what I thought of during that scene

Except the Dragons fly all over the place - up down left right - if that scene was at all grounded in reality, Jon would have fallen off when his Dragon dove down into the canyon like that.

imagine explaining to the northerners that Jon fell off the dragon and died
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-15 13:23:49
April 15 2019 13:18 GMT
#34269
Bran is pretty good. All of the drama and who will back who to sit on the shitty throne wasn’t that interesting(its been 7 seasons, I’m over it). But Bran’s “What’s Good?” stare was perfect.

Edit: The Unsullied have never known how to equip themselves properly. They keep picking out the really big shields and a single tiny spear per fighter. So the lack of winter clothing isn't a huge shocker. And if they are a proper medieval army, they will steal the winter clothing from the local people in country.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 15 2019 13:42 GMT
#34270
The episode structure was as expected, lot of reunions, bringing the characters together. Sadly i felt that most of these dialogues fell flat, the only good ones were Daenerys and Sam + Sam and Jon.
In general a lot of one liners, not a fan of that at all, this is the final season of game of thrones, the white walkers are about to attack soon enough, didn't feel the gravitas of that in most scenes unfortunately.
The dragon riding scene was straight out of some YA movie, totally out of place. I get that Jon has to ride a dragon at some point, but doing it just for fun to have a nice afternoon with his new lover, cmon.
It's especially annoying because we only get 6 episodes and this episode was on the short end on top of that, i just don't get some of these decisions :/

Pretty meh episode overall, next week is hopefully stronger.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-15 14:03:03
April 15 2019 13:57 GMT
#34271
On April 15 2019 19:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
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On April 15 2019 18:50 Grettin wrote:
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Call me crazy but Bran is my favorite character atm. Ending with seeing Jamie and waiting for old friend. Good stuff.

Disappointed with the first episode overall though.


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You crazy

Also disappointed tbh. It wasn't the lack of action but more the lack of... events.

Also, did littlefinger fake his death at the end of the last season?
I've seen some theories going around that we saw him pass a coin to a faceless woman in the episode before his death. She said to him "your time is up."
I really hope so. It would work so well as a plotline.



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No way littlefinger is alive, we have 5 episode left, there is no way they pull that kind of thing out of nowhere,, they need to get to close plot point asap not open new one. Plus it would really be out of left field.


On April 15 2019 22:18 Plansix wrote:

Edit: The Unsullied have never known how to equip themselves properly. They keep picking out the really big shields and a single tiny spear per fighter. So the lack of winter clothing isn't a huge shocker. And if they are a proper medieval army, they will steal the winter clothing from the local people in country.


The Unsullied are super soldiers, they also have the hability to walk in perfect square and lines for I don't know how many days and to always have the same number of soldier after like 5 years of service (or sometime more somehow) and never be wounded.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 15 2019 14:08 GMT
#34272
On April 15 2019 22:57 Nakajin wrote:
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On April 15 2019 19:16 Jockmcplop wrote:
On April 15 2019 18:50 Grettin wrote:
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Call me crazy but Bran is my favorite character atm. Ending with seeing Jamie and waiting for old friend. Good stuff.

Disappointed with the first episode overall though.


+ Show Spoiler +
You crazy

Also disappointed tbh. It wasn't the lack of action but more the lack of... events.

Also, did littlefinger fake his death at the end of the last season?
I've seen some theories going around that we saw him pass a coin to a faceless woman in the episode before his death. She said to him "your time is up."
I really hope so. It would work so well as a plotline.



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No way littlefinger is alive, we have 5 episode left, there is no way they pull that kind of thing out of nowhere,, they need to get to close plot point asap not open new one. Plus it would really be out of left field.


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On April 15 2019 22:18 Plansix wrote:

Edit: The Unsullied have never known how to equip themselves properly. They keep picking out the really big shields and a single tiny spear per fighter. So the lack of winter clothing isn't a huge shocker. And if they are a proper medieval army, they will steal the winter clothing from the local people in country.


The Unsullied are super soldiers, they also have the hability to walk in perfect square and lines for I don't know how many days and to always have the same number of soldier after like 5 years of service (or sometime more somehow) and never be wounded.

I could nitpick all of the armies in similar fashion, but its fun with the Unsullied because that shield is comically large. It is a TV show and there are limitations to what they can do. Creating a “winter line” of Unsullied armor was likely a discussion and they decided it wasn’t worth the costs for the number of shots they will have the Unsullied in.
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
April 15 2019 15:01 GMT
#34273
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So I pretty much disliked this whole episode. There were some really good bits, like the scenes with Sam's character, but for the most part, the scenes felt terribly paced, pointless, and even cartoonish at times to me. And I'm also going to go ahead and kind of defend northern outrage right now: yes, they have the right to be a bit a mad at Jon for coming back a kneeler but they should also move on for the most part (aside maybe some lingering bitterness and sense of betrayal) when he tells them he did it to fight the dead, and that's pretty much what happens. He gets called out by lady Mormont, the place erupts in agreement, he states his case, and everyone just kind of has to bite their tongue and deal with it. The only person who doesn't is Sansa in a later scene when she cuts the bullshit and calls him out on lying to his people. Remember, Dany pledged her forces to him on that boat before Jon swore loyalty and gave up his crown. It was after that pledge that he gave up his crown and essentially went against the wishes of his people. Sansa calls him out in private because she thinks that was his true motive for kneeling and she was right.

Also, the dragon riding scene was dumb and took up valuable screen time. Screen time that could have developed the plot a bit better, helped the pacing of some scenes, or even given us a better dragon riding scene. Jon and Dany's scenes as a whole really felt like a rom com to me and it felt so out of place. I also don't believe this romance at all. It was not earned in season 7 in my opinion and showing a quick bunch of scenes of them having fun after they've already been declared a couple doesn't do it for me, especially when both characters have had way better romances with much better chemistry and believability in earlier seasons.

The pacing was god awful. Scenes where things actually happen feel like they're moving at a million miles an hour like the Yara rescue scene, and reunion scenes that could have had a point to the story and been emotionally statisfying at the same time ended up overstaying their welcome and feeling pointless aside from the emotional satisfaction. Jon's reunion scenes with Arya and Sam felt emotionally moving and they served a point, as did Arya's and Gendry's, but the others really did not seem like something worth wasting time on. I love Sansa and Tyrion, but was there really a point to their scene? Nothing was shared that wasn't just a rehash of previous events and discussions(Sansa is Lady of Winterfell, Tyrion is Hand of the Queen, Sansa doesn't like Dany, nobody trusts the Lannister army is really coming to help but what choice do they have, etc). The plot was not advanced, characters were not developed. It was just a scene with some one-liners and emotional payoff.

I could go on for a long time about what I felt was bad in that episode but this is already long as is, so I'll quickly touch on some things I liked and end it there. I loved Sam's scenes. In fact, I'd say the latter half of the episode is pretty good to great at times. I also liked Jon being confronted by the northern lords and ladies publicly like that, I liked Arya giving Jon some perspective on where Sansa is coming from and to remember his family, and I liked Sansa calling Jon's true motives out. I'm excited to see more scenes like the ones from the last 30 or so minutes happen in these last episodes. Not a good episode but it had its moments.
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StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
April 15 2019 16:32 GMT
#34274
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So here's my personal theory I've had for a while about who will rule the 7 Kingdoms at the end of the day:

First off, I think Daenerys dies and Jon takes the Iron Throne.

Kingdom of the North: Sansa Stark
Kingdom of the Rock : Tyrion Lannister
Kingdom of the Vale: Robin Arryn
Kingdom of the Stormlands: Gendry Baratheon via legitimization by Jon
Kingdom of the Reach: Samwell Tarly, again via legitimization
Kingdom of the Iron Islands: Yara Greyjoy
Kingdom of Dorne: Does it matter at this point in the show? The show forgot they exist, so whoever is in charge currently. Maybe Missandei could get appointed after the war since she is a great advisor, Daenerys would be dead, and the seat is vacant as far as we know.

My only problem is that it looks too clean and fan-servicey to have all these likable characters end up in these spots, especially Gendry who has no experience ruling or leading. Still, the 7 Kingdoms will need to be given rulers when this is all said and done and it's too late to draw up new characters and prove they can rule. We have to work with the roster we have, and while Gendry doesn't have the experience, he could potentially have the right last name. Same with Sam. Sam might not have much experience leading, but his family is from the region and he could have the right last name. Being best friends with the eventual king never hurt either. The last 2 seasons have also shown restraint in killing important characters. Characters we like have died like Thoros of Myr, as I'm sure many will this season, but none that were really important to the story have, I don't think.

What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-15 17:11:04
April 15 2019 17:10 GMT
#34275
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I really liked this episode to re-start the series.
A lot of meetings between characters with well played interactions, I especially enjoyed Arya and Sansa's roles overall: it's clear they want to portray how the Stark changed compared to S1 (the whole Unsullied arrival mirrors the S1 E1 king's arrival), and the dynamic between Sansa, Jon, Arya and Bran is interesting.

Overall I am super happy that GOT restarted! Hyped for the rest of the season.

I'm however a bit curious about how they will play the rest of the story out in 6 episodes. Do you think the final episodes will be the final confrontation with the Night King? It looks strange, because there would not be much time to show how the kingdom will continue after the battle between living and dead ends (unless the deads win of course).

I like how the alliance between Stark, Daenerys, etc. is shown to be quite fragile, there seems to be even some doubts in Jon's mind about Daenerys' qualities as queen (in times of peace) especially when he talks to Sam..

Some things I disliked:
- the scene with Bronn, it looked like they had to show some sex because HBO, what was the super urgency of showing him being interrupted to get these orders?
- the chemistry between Jon and Daenerys, for me, it's not quite there (as partners), it feels a bit forced, but I guess it's more on how the actors portray them
- Theon and Yara, it felt a bit rushed
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 15 2019 17:23 GMT
#34276
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I’ve said it before, but the series needs to take a moment and establish what the Night King wants. Like, what is the plan and motivation? The creepy villain needs to talk in some way to at least some of the characters or we need to see what they are going to do with land they are invading.

As for the Throne, the end of the series has to be the ‘breaking of the wheel’ whatever that looks like. Characters like Sansa want power for stability and safety, not for personal glory. Even Jon doesn’t really want to rule, but just wants keep people safe and be of service. Personally, I don’t know how they get to something that will satisfy people’s need to see someone on that throne, but also how that this time it will be different.

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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 15 2019 18:42 GMT
#34277
On April 16 2019 02:23 Plansix wrote:
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I’ve said it before, but the series needs to take a moment and establish what the Night King wants. Like, what is the plan and motivation? The creepy villain needs to talk in some way to at least some of the characters or we need to see what they are going to do with land they are invading.


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During Bran's vision of the Night King being created, it was revealed that their original purpose was to wage war against the First Men until they went rogue and turned on their creators. I think they've kept that original "programming" by continuing to seek the destruction of mankind. Their motivation is as simple as that, and they don't need dialogue to justify themselves as an unrelenting. uncompromising force of destruction that contrasts with all the human factions and their petty squabbling.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
April 15 2019 18:46 GMT
#34278
Why do you all use spoilers btw, seems weird
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 15 2019 18:48 GMT
#34279
On April 16 2019 03:42 eviltomahawk wrote:
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On April 16 2019 02:23 Plansix wrote:
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I’ve said it before, but the series needs to take a moment and establish what the Night King wants. Like, what is the plan and motivation? The creepy villain needs to talk in some way to at least some of the characters or we need to see what they are going to do with land they are invading.


+ Show Spoiler +
During Bran's vision of the Night King being created, it was revealed that their original purpose was to wage war against the First Men until they went rogue and turned on their creators. I think they've kept that original "programming" by continuing to seek the destruction of mankind. Their motivation is as simple as that, and they don't need dialogue to justify themselves as an unrelenting. uncompromising force of destruction that contrasts with all the human factions and their petty squabbling.

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That is extremely dull and I hope the series provides more than that. It is like Sauron, but somehow less interesting because they are not fallen angels handing out evil magic rings.
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TaKeTV
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1200 Posts
April 15 2019 18:55 GMT
#34280
My only question so far would be why they felt the need to end it in a rather quick pace? I am sure you could have made it a bit slower without giving the audience the feeling of it being fillers. Budget is there. Audience surely is there. The only reason I can see is that they got a few milestones + ending from GRRM and were not comfortable with writing the story around it.

Thoughts? :S
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