On March 06 2019 08:28 Plansix wrote: John and Daenerys die as all good legends should. Large swath of Westerose is destroyed, but they win in the end because if they didn't why the fuck did we watch for a decade? The concept of the King still exists, but they create some sort of ruling parliament style thing to govern alongside to keep the nations unified.
And we find out something(?) about the White Walkers. Because they need to want things beyond killing all humans.(like seriously, they can't just have the White Walkers this faceless undead horde thing. They need motivation or this entire series is low key lord of the rings)
White Walkers are a rogue bio weapon programmed to kill all humans. They don’t need much in the way of motivation.
On March 06 2019 08:28 Plansix wrote: John and Daenerys die as all good legends should. Large swath of Westerose is destroyed, but they win in the end because if they didn't why the fuck did we watch for a decade? The concept of the King still exists, but they create some sort of ruling parliament style thing to govern alongside to keep the nations unified.
And we find out something(?) about the White Walkers. Because they need to want things beyond killing all humans.(like seriously, they can't just have the White Walkers this faceless undead horde thing. They need motivation or this entire series is low key lord of the rings)
White Walkers are a rogue bio weapon programmed to kill all humans. They don’t need much in the way of motivation.
Yeah. In a world that was supposed to be about real world motivations to do things, that is the most dull, uninteresting answer. Game of Thrones is the pro-wrestling of prestige television and their main villain can't articulate why they are getting into the ring.
On March 06 2019 08:28 Plansix wrote: John and Daenerys die as all good legends should. Large swath of Westerose is destroyed, but they win in the end because if they didn't why the fuck did we watch for a decade? The concept of the King still exists, but they create some sort of ruling parliament style thing to govern alongside to keep the nations unified.
And we find out something(?) about the White Walkers. Because they need to want things beyond killing all humans.(like seriously, they can't just have the White Walkers this faceless undead horde thing. They need motivation or this entire series is low key lord of the rings)
White Walkers are a rogue bio weapon programmed to kill all humans. They don’t need much in the way of motivation.
Sounds like something Ridley Scott came up with since becoming senile.
I think the idea isn't that uninteresting on its own, just its execution in the show is terrible. In the books the ice zombies could be given more background, characters with personalities, etc., but in the show they can be no more than a rogue bio weapon programmed to kill all humans. Or worse, the writers can make the Night King pursue some stupid goal like "creating a great danger to unite humanity" or "murdering everyone because humans betrayed him when he was still one of them".
Is there any room left for interesting plot twists? I'll be surprised if Jaime won't nobly sacrifice himself at some point.
I am convinced that the absolute best ending for the show would be for Cersei to finally defy the prophecy and win the throne. Otherwise the last season will just feel like a wrap up of 'Jon and Daeny struggle but overcome all the evil and the good guys win." Which is boring and predictable.
Well by the article posted his character isn't listed as taking part in the Battle of Winterfell. Hopefully that just means the acotr wasn't interviewed, or he is away and has killed Cersei.
Dream ending Jon Snow sits on the Northern Throne, and Jaime and Brienne rule in Kings Landing.
If anyone could reply to me in spoilers, I'd much appreciate that.
At what point does the series diverge from the books substantially?
I know ASoIaF pretty much by heart, but I'm sick of waiting for the conclusion, which likely will never come.
I remember watching season one, which I thought was brilliant, but it was very close to the books so I didn't think it was worth my time to keep watching.
On March 07 2019 21:12 byte-Curious wrote: If anyone could reply to me in spoilers, I'd much appreciate that.
At what point does the series diverge from the books substantially?
I know ASoIaF pretty much by heart, but I'm sick of waiting for the conclusion, which likely will never come.
I remember watching season one, which I thought was brilliant, but it was very close to the books so I didn't think it was worth my time to keep watching.
S4 is around where they diverge quite a bit. S1 is by far the most faithful. 2 and 3 are pretty close. 4-7 is fan fiction.
For what its worth, after rewatching the first few seasons in the last month, you might find the plotting in the later seasons very dull. There’s substantially less nuance going on.
Yeah I heard that they turned Jaime into a rapist and completely neutered (no pun intended) Varys' role in The Game. But at this point I don't care any more, I just want closure.
It's been 17 years since I read A Game of Thrones for the first time, it's time for that chapter of my life to end.
On March 07 2019 17:29 Laurens wrote: Boring, predictable, but also what everyone wants to happen lol. Imagine the outrage if Cersei wins. Yikes.
I just hope my boy Jaime doesn't die, but I'm fearing some sort of heroic death while saving Brienne's life or whatever T_T
Imagine the outrage? Imagine how much more interesting it would be. Who cares about outrage?
The thing that was exciting about Game of Thrones in the fantasy genre was that it did things that were unexpected that kept the story interesting. Take "what everyone wants to happen" for example. If GRRM did what everyone wanted to happen, Ned Stark would never have died in the first place since he was a classic heroic character full of honor and duty. He was a ray of hope in the corrupt place that is King's Landing and he had a tragic death that was caused by his own daughter no less. Such an event in the series only made it far more exciting and compelling to read.
I fear that the wind down to the series end is going to go the way every Hollywood movie does. Which I think is a very sad and boring place to end a series like this.
They stopped killing characters that you actually care about a long time ago. There was plenty of opportunity to give + Show Spoiler +
Jaime, the Hound, Jorah
very good deaths without impacting the story much. Instead they killed an interesting character like + Show Spoiler +
Littlefinger
where it seemed they did not know what to do with him in the story anymore, so that was very convenient.
It is still a good show, but there is so many good shows now, so that really doesn't do anything. At some point they lost their unique selling point.
In regard to who occupies the throne at the end...I don't believe that is the right question to ask. If you followed the series, you basically know he/she is gonna die soon anyway.
On March 07 2019 17:29 Laurens wrote: Boring, predictable, but also what everyone wants to happen lol. Imagine the outrage if Cersei wins. Yikes.
I just hope my boy Jaime doesn't die, but I'm fearing some sort of heroic death while saving Brienne's life or whatever T_T
Imagine the outrage? Imagine how much more interesting it would be. Who cares about outrage?
The thing that was exciting about Game of Thrones in the fantasy genre was that it did things that were unexpected that kept the story interesting. Take "what everyone wants to happen" for example. If GRRM did what everyone wanted to happen, Ned Stark would never have died in the first place since he was a classic heroic character full of honor and duty. He was a ray of hope in the corrupt place that is King's Landing and he had a tragic death that was caused by his own daughter no less. Such an event in the series only made it far more exciting and compelling to read.
I fear that the wind down to the series end is going to go the way every Hollywood movie does. Which I think is a very sad and boring place to end a series like this.
You should be very careful with that line of reasoning. It presented us with starwars episode 8.
On March 07 2019 17:29 Laurens wrote: Boring, predictable, but also what everyone wants to happen lol. Imagine the outrage if Cersei wins. Yikes.
I just hope my boy Jaime doesn't die, but I'm fearing some sort of heroic death while saving Brienne's life or whatever T_T
Imagine the outrage? Imagine how much more interesting it would be. Who cares about outrage?
The thing that was exciting about Game of Thrones in the fantasy genre was that it did things that were unexpected that kept the story interesting. Take "what everyone wants to happen" for example. If GRRM did what everyone wanted to happen, Ned Stark would never have died in the first place since he was a classic heroic character full of honor and duty. He was a ray of hope in the corrupt place that is King's Landing and he had a tragic death that was caused by his own daughter no less. Such an event in the series only made it far more exciting and compelling to read.
I fear that the wind down to the series end is going to go the way every Hollywood movie does. Which I think is a very sad and boring place to end a series like this.
You should be very careful with that line of reasoning. It presented us with starwars episode 8.
Star Wars has been absolute garbage though. It doesn't matter what they do since they are so poorly written or so poorly directed that all of the characters come off as flat and uninteresting thus you can't bring yourself to care about a single one of them. Who wins? Who loses? Who cares in those movies. Those movies are (being generous) a 3 or 4 out of 10.
GoT is arguably one of the best shows on television and I'm just rooting for the characters with the most... character? Passion? Jaime, Tyrion, Tywin and Cersei were all great in the show. I feel like the ending is going to be how Petyr Baelish's saga ended. Feeling forced and more of a 'wrap up'. I hope not though but with so few episodes left it's going to be a challenge.
On March 07 2019 17:29 Laurens wrote: Boring, predictable, but also what everyone wants to happen lol. Imagine the outrage if Cersei wins. Yikes.
I just hope my boy Jaime doesn't die, but I'm fearing some sort of heroic death while saving Brienne's life or whatever T_T
Imagine the outrage? Imagine how much more interesting it would be. Who cares about outrage?
The thing that was exciting about Game of Thrones in the fantasy genre was that it did things that were unexpected that kept the story interesting. Take "what everyone wants to happen" for example. If GRRM did what everyone wanted to happen, Ned Stark would never have died in the first place since he was a classic heroic character full of honor and duty. He was a ray of hope in the corrupt place that is King's Landing and he had a tragic death that was caused by his own daughter no less. Such an event in the series only made it far more exciting and compelling to read.
I fear that the wind down to the series end is going to go the way every Hollywood movie does. Which I think is a very sad and boring place to end a series like this.
You should be very careful with that line of reasoning. It presented us with starwars episode 8.
Star Wars has been absolute garbage though. It doesn't matter what they do since they are so poorly written or so poorly directed that all of the characters come off as flat and uninteresting thus you can't bring yourself to care about a single one of them. Who wins? Who loses? Who cares in those movies. Those movies are (being generous) a 3 or 4 out of 10.
GoT is arguably one of the best shows on television and I'm just rooting for the characters with the most... character? Passion? Jaime, Tyrion, Tywin and Cersei were all great in the show. I feel like the ending is going to be how Petyr Baelish's saga ended. Feeling forced and more of a 'wrap up'. I hope not though but with so few episodes left it's going to be a challenge.
then what you are rooting for is not an out of charakter ending with a twist (luke drinking green tits milk and scrapping his lightsaber / littlefinger getting disposed off because of irrelevancy to future plotlines) but rather an eloquent wrap up. Which is however the exact opposite of what you argued for . Just like it was with Ned in season 1. His death was foreshadowed all throughout season 1 and perfectly expectable. What it was not, was pleasent. The audience was obviously led to cheer for him. He was literally the shows embodiment of honor and responsibility and that is why his death had meaning to the show. Not because it was "unexpected", but rather to deliver the message that you have to be ruthless and cunning to stand at the top. So the way I see it the new season has two ways to end the series. Either it gets the happy ending with all the bad guys dead and JD happily ever after. Which would be the "expected outcome" because those are the characters the audience was taught to root for. Or, they all die in a massive inferno and someone with no prior claim wins the throne to symbolise a new beginning. Cersei will die simply because ending the series with the most vile character of the show being on top for the finale would not really end the series. And they ran out of books a while ago.
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. Just like it was with Ned in season 1. His death was foreshadowed all throughout season 1 and perfectly expectable. What it was not, was pleasent. The audience was obviously led to cheer for him. He was literally the shows embodiment of honor and responsibility and that is why his death had meaning to the show. Not because it was "unexpected", but rather to deliver the message that you have to be ruthless and cunning to stand at the top. So the way I see it the new season has two ways to end the series. Either it gets the happy ending with all the bad guys dead and JD happily ever after. Which would be the "expected outcome" because those are the characters the audience was taught to root for. Or, they all die in a massive inferno and someone with no prior claim wins the throne to symbolise a new beginning. Cersei will die simply because ending the series with the most vile character of the show being on top for the finale would not really end the series. And they ran out of books a while ago.
