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On July 25 2017 00:23 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On July 24 2017 23:14 Hyperbola wrote:On July 24 2017 12:55 Noocta wrote:
The final battle kinda happened out of nowhere to me. How did Euron even find them on the sea like that. :o Actually this is probably the one thing that makes the most sense. Just to remind everyone, Dragonstone (which is where Dany is right now) is literally only a couple miles off the coast of Kings Landing. You can actually swim there if you're good enough. What makes no sense is how Euron did not run into Dany's fleet sooner than this considering that he sailed to King's landing and back. Also this brings up another logistical nightmare. Let me get this straight: Dany wants the Tyrells and Martells to attack King's Landing while the Unsullied and Dothraki attack Casterly Rock. This is so mindbogglingly stupid that it's actually amazing. Think about it like this: the Reach is right next to the Westerlands (they share a border) and Dorne is below the Reach... so instead of having these two armies attack Casterly Rock they have them march all the way up to King's Landing to attack the city which would take months. Also, instead of attacking King's Landing with the Unsullied and Dothraki, which are on Dragonstone (which is ridiculously close), Dany will have her armies sail AROUND WESTEROS to the other side to attack Casterly Rock. Or even worse, Dany would have them land right next to King's Landing and have them march through the Crownlands all the way to the Westerlands. I get that it's the show and the plot demands that Dany can't roast Cersei alive with her dragon because of "morals" but holy fucking christ is this terrible writing. I refuse to believe that this is what GRRM had in mind. The show writers probably did not even bother to consult him when they wrote this abomination. That was my problem, they literally sailed further in distance and up north just to visit a castle and talk just to sail down south again.
Going to Dragonstone would make a lot of sense if they intended to blockade King's Landing, but they've clearly botched that one already.
I don't mind the idea of not wanting to burn King's Landing to the ground, but the way they are going about it makes no sense. Like why not go to the Stormlands, get those armies on board, get the minor lords/houses elsewhere on board (with force when necessary) and do it that way instead of splitting their army on 2 sides of the continent.
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I hope the best fleet in the continent has information on where big fleets are, would be pretty sad if he was just sailing blindly no ?
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On July 25 2017 00:28 Erasme wrote:
I hope the best fleet in the continent has information on where big fleets are, would be pretty sad if he was just sailing blindly no ?
How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships.
Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe?
It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target.
Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success.
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There is no Asha in the show
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Well the plot demands it, that's the actual answer
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On July 25 2017 00:15 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +As for sneaking up on the fleet, ship based combat was real until people invented the cannon. Sneaking up on a docked fleet and burning it is a time honored tactic. Yeah but Asha's ships weren't docked and the mechanics of who would know what about the fleet and its movements don't really work out and there's no explanation given. Also Varys should be beheaded if he knew nothing of the fleet considering it's sailed all the way around Westeros, docked at King's Landing, and left King's landing.
Maybe he's just as surprised as we all are. Who knew some inhospitable rocks could have so many men who could build so many ships?
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What did Arya say to Nymeria? 'That's not you'?
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On July 25 2017 01:21 bardtown wrote:
What did Arya say to Nymeria? 'That's not you'?
Yeah, as in "Going to Winterfel with me and being my pet is not you"
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On July 25 2017 01:23 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 01:21 bardtown wrote:
What did Arya say to Nymeria? 'That's not you'? Yeah, as in "Going to Winterfel with me and being my pet is not you"
Got it. I'm curious to see what role that pack plays in the end.
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On July 25 2017 01:25 bardtown wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 01:23 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 01:21 bardtown wrote:
What did Arya say to Nymeria? 'That's not you'? Yeah, as in "Going to Winterfel with me and being my pet is not you" Got it. I'm curious to see what role that pack plays in the end.
In the show? Probably none
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On July 25 2017 01:29 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 01:25 bardtown wrote:On July 25 2017 01:23 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 01:21 bardtown wrote:
What did Arya say to Nymeria? 'That's not you'? Yeah, as in "Going to Winterfel with me and being my pet is not you" Got it. I'm curious to see what role that pack plays in the end. In the show? Probably none
I think Arya may reconsider going to Winterfel because of it. She probably realizes she doesn't belong there anymore.
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On July 25 2017 01:32 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 01:29 Cricketer12 wrote:On July 25 2017 01:25 bardtown wrote:On July 25 2017 01:23 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 01:21 bardtown wrote:
What did Arya say to Nymeria? 'That's not you'? Yeah, as in "Going to Winterfel with me and being my pet is not you" Got it. I'm curious to see what role that pack plays in the end. In the show? Probably none I think Arya may reconsider going to Winterfel because of it. She probably realizes she doesn't belong there anymore.
Nah she'll still go. I feel like that scene was just there for fan service.
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If I know TV writers then there is no way that pack is not returning to save somebody in a timely fashion.
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Fun episode but damn, Melissandre now at Dany's location where Davos and Jon are headed.
I see Davos & Melissandre reunion :D
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On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:
How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships.
Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe?
It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target.
Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success.
He knew that Danys army is at Dragonstone and probably observed it, waiting for an opportunity to strike.
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On July 25 2017 02:11 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:
How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships.
Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe?
It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target.
Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success. He knew that Danys army is at Dragonstone and probably observed it, waiting for an opportunity to strike.
Shouldn't that have like a 0% chance of success and an incredibly high risk of being burned alive by dragons?
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On July 25 2017 02:13 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 02:11 TerransHill wrote:On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:
How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships.
Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe?
It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target.
Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success. He knew that Danys army is at Dragonstone and probably observed it, waiting for an opportunity to strike. Shouldn't that have like a 0% chance of success and an incredibly high risk of being burned alive by dragons?
His plan was probably not to attack danys army directly, but just wait for some opportunity to weaken it. Like attack some supply ships.
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On July 25 2017 02:17 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 02:13 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 02:11 TerransHill wrote:On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:
How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships.
Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe?
It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target.
Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success. He knew that Danys army is at Dragonstone and probably observed it, waiting for an opportunity to strike. Shouldn't that have like a 0% chance of success and an incredibly high risk of being burned alive by dragons? His plan was probably not to attack danys army directly, but just wait for some opportunity to weaken it. Like attack some supply ships.
Or wave as they all sail down to King's landing and burn it to the ground? (Gotta remember Cersei/Euron/etc. don't know that this isn't going to happen).
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On July 25 2017 02:19 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 02:17 TerransHill wrote:On July 25 2017 02:13 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 02:11 TerransHill wrote:On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:
How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships.
Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe?
It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target.
Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success. He knew that Danys army is at Dragonstone and probably observed it, waiting for an opportunity to strike. Shouldn't that have like a 0% chance of success and an incredibly high risk of being burned alive by dragons? His plan was probably not to attack danys army directly, but just wait for some opportunity to weaken it. Like attack some supply ships. Or wave as they all sail down to King's landing and burn it to the ground? (Gotta remember Cersei/Euron/etc. don't know that this isn't going to happen).
or just retreat when he gets the news that danys whole army is en route.
He probably thought "damn I was so cocky in that throneroom, now I got to deliver" and he just observed Dragonstone and waited for something to happen. Like I said he probably wanted to do some pirate shit and attack some supply ships, or do some other surprise manuevers. Then he got the news of Asha moving out and was like "hell yeah, thats what Ive been waiting for." Sure he got a bit lucky but sometimes luck happens.
I am not saying I 100% like the way it played out, just trying to make some sense of it and this way it seems the most plausible to me.
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On July 25 2017 02:29 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 02:19 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 02:17 TerransHill wrote:On July 25 2017 02:13 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 02:11 TerransHill wrote:On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:
How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships.
Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe?
It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target.
Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success. He knew that Danys army is at Dragonstone and probably observed it, waiting for an opportunity to strike. Shouldn't that have like a 0% chance of success and an incredibly high risk of being burned alive by dragons? His plan was probably not to attack danys army directly, but just wait for some opportunity to weaken it. Like attack some supply ships. Or wave as they all sail down to King's landing and burn it to the ground? (Gotta remember Cersei/Euron/etc. don't know that this isn't going to happen). or just retreat when he gets the news that danys whole army is en route. He probably thought "damn I was so cocky in that throneroom, now I got to deliver" and he just observed Dragonstone and waited for something to happen. Like I said he probably wanted to do some pirate shit and attack some supply ships, or do some other surprise manuevers. Then he got the news of Asha moving out and was like "hell yeah, thats what Ive been waiting for." Sure he got a bit lucky but sometimes luck happens. I am not saying I 100% like the way it played out, just trying to make some sense of it and this way it seems the most plausible to me.
Yeah I agree it's the most plausible, but the whole thing played out so inconsistently for me AND it was in part to really accomplish annoying goals (killing the Sand Snakes pointlessly because the writers don't know how to write for them). Out of all the sort of hand wavy or inconsistent stuff I think this one has bothered me the most.
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