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On July 25 2017 12:42 TheTenthDoc wrote:
To be fair to Euron's decision to attack the ships that were potentially dragon escorted, his megafireball launchers could probably hurt dragons if they just doused the megafireball portion. Then again, he's crazy enough to have his fleet fire megafireballs at the ship he is currently standing on, so who really knows what goes through his head?
Too bad Jon wasn't there to see that battle. Those weapons would be preeeeetty useful in the North. And considering how quickly Euron whipped up his fleet, they can't be as hard to find as dragonstone.
I feel like dragons are probably pretty fireproof. If they weren't then they'd set themselves on fire all the time.
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On July 25 2017 09:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Wish Littlefinger was just be killed already he is a waste of scene time.
Honestly I wish littlefinger was manipulating Jon throughout the season - somewhat similar to what he did to Ned in S1. Would have been a more interesting storyline and then more fulfilling when Arya (or w/e) kills him at the end of the season.
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On July 25 2017 17:47 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 09:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Wish Littlefinger was just be killed already he is a waste of scene time. Honestly I wish littlefinger was manipulating Jon throughout the season - somewhat similar to what he did to Ned in S1. Would have been a more interesting storyline and then more fulfilling when Arya (or w/e) kills him at the end of the season.
well it's still way too early to rule out that he will have a significant role to play in the north. granted sansa has more or less learned to handle him but surely there are other options for influence?
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On July 25 2017 09:32 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 08:59 The_Red_Viper wrote:
The show does everything extremely fast now, very little to none actual buildop. No real subplots anymore.
Some people love it because it means that we approach the end, but personally i think the interesting part of GoT always was the character interactions and the sheer amount of possible scenarios which could realistically happen simply because it was complex enough for it to be believable.
Motivation of characters and the net of plots and subplots developed the future plotlines before, now that's not 100% the case anymore. It's not bad but after two episodes i am not seeing why people praise it to the extent they do, Because most people don't over analyze every thing. They watch a show for enjoyment. A lot of people enjoy the simple interactions and don't care if it's super omg complex every episode and every season. Season 6 was probably the least complex season, but it's still good. People want to see the White Walkers actually do something. If you want the real super in depth, you'll get that in the future books I imagine. I like both simple and complex, so I enjoy it a lot and am hyped to see Jon and Danny finally meet this season.
I think people do enjoy twists and unpredictable plosts in contrast to simplistic 90s action movies.
However, I also think people enjoy seeing their heroes "win" after going through a long struggle. And its why people can still enjoy the current plot lines because they relate to the chracters and know what they been through.
But that doesn't imply that the writing couldn't have been miles better because you can still get the latter while having plot lines with more depth.
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The good:
- Overall direction of the story. I really liked that Daenerys' stupid plan was thwarted almost within sight of Dragonstone itself, showing that she should use her strengths and, as Olenna foreshadowed "be a dragon, not a sheep". I like that Jon is finally going to meet Daenerys, and I like that Sam is doing something useful in the Citadel.
- Opening scene with Varys.
- Hot Pie.
The bad:
- Teleportation and prescience. Both Euron's, as well as Daenerys' plan. How the hell are the Unsullied and the Dothraki going to get to Casterly Rock without passing right by King's Landing? Through the Riverlands? Either route is retarded and takes forever: they're on the wrong fucking side of Westeros. Whereas the Dornish and Tyrrell armies must necessarily pass through the Reach, and are thus right there. Moreover, what the hell happened to the Stormlands? That should have been an easy foothold, with a very strong castle, making an awesome staging point for whatever army maneuvers they plan, rather than sailing further north in the first place to just be stuck on a blood island. Moreover, since they're actually on Dragonstone, HOW DID EURON SAIL HIS WHOLE FLEET PAST DRAGONSTONE WITHOUT BEING SEEN BY ANYBODY? And then magically knew where in the narrow sea the other fleet was so he could plan his surprise attack.
- Euron in general. Euron in the books is written rather well. In the show he is far more just an empty plot device.
- Grey Worm and Missandei was just awkward and unnecessary. Just as all other Grey Worm and Missandei scenes before.
The ugly:
- The battle was far too confusing. Also, great balls of fire? Where the hell did they come from?
- A ballista is the secret new weapon against dragons? Isn't that the same weapon used since forever? And it never worked particularly well.
- Sand snakes got dialogue before they got murdered. The whole series would have been better if they had never been thought of. Killing them doesn't make bad pussy any better, it just reminds me of their cringe scenes.
- In general, it is just far too rushed. Things happen because they have to happen and they don't have enough time to show actual depth in the story and get to the finale in 13 episodes. This leads to random teleportation, stupid strategies, and general incoherence.
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On July 25 2017 18:51 Acrofales wrote:
- In general, it is just far too rushed. Things happen because they have to happen and they don't have enough time to show actual depth in the story and get to the finale in 13 episodes. This leads to random teleportation, stupid strategies, and general incoherence.
Yeah, that's my main problem at the moment. The last seasons may have been criticized for having too many filler scenes, but here shit just happens too fast to be enjoyable.
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i actually enjoy most grey worm scenes, and did enjoy the one. i think both the dialogue and the sex scene were a little longer than necessary, but i found it an excellent decision to show how grey worm has changed. once the fiercest mercenary, now somebody's lover.
also that room is huge. as an unsullied he's certainly worked his way up the ladder.
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On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 00:28 Erasme wrote:
I hope the best fleet in the continent has information on where big fleets are, would be pretty sad if he was just sailing blindly no ? How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships. Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe? It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target. Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success.
Well i think he knew the destination of yara's fleet when they came to the 7 kingdoms, from that point he could know where/when the fleet would reach land
then its ez pz
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On July 25 2017 23:12 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 00:47 Logo wrote:On July 25 2017 00:28 Erasme wrote:
I hope the best fleet in the continent has information on where big fleets are, would be pretty sad if he was just sailing blindly no ? How could he not be since he sailed before there was anything to sail towards? That is if the show is chronological, but if it's not then he made up an immense amount of ground on Yara's ships. Unless he was just blindly chilling out south of Dragonstone and got incredibly lucky, which is I guess what we're supposed to believe? It just doesn't make much sense. Either Euron sailed after Yara did (and he knew about the fleet breaking up) and magically caught up sight unseen or he sailed before Yara did and somehow predicted the future. Doubly so because by all expectations why wouldn't they just expect Dany to just come charing into King's Landing and take it? Why would Euron ever expect Dany's fleet to split up in any meaningful way. Like fair enough he could just be pirating the seas looking for any high value targets, but that seems really unsustainable with such a large fleet and would require a high amount of luck to ever get any reasonable target. Euron's motivations just make no sense and it's really hard to think how he would have ever thought that he'd have any amount of success. Well i think he knew the destination of yara's fleet when they came to the 7 kingdoms, from that point he could know where/when the fleet would reach land then its ez pz
He knew Yara would sail from Dragonstone to Dorne instead of Dragonstone to King's Landing?
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Im so fucking disappointed at Theon. I just hope that he can do one noble deed before dying or something so i dont completely hate his character forever
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On July 26 2017 03:04 MooMooMugi wrote:
Im so fucking disappointed at Theon. I just hope that he can do one noble deed before dying or something so i dont completely hate his character forever
Well you should be disappointed by such script and writers lol
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On July 25 2017 17:55 Warfie wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2017 17:47 Hider wrote:On July 25 2017 09:09 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Wish Littlefinger was just be killed already he is a waste of scene time. Honestly I wish littlefinger was manipulating Jon throughout the season - somewhat similar to what he did to Ned in S1. Would have been a more interesting storyline and then more fulfilling when Arya (or w/e) kills him at the end of the season. well it's still way too early to rule out that he will have a significant role to play in the north. granted sansa has more or less learned to handle him but surely there are other options for influence?
Don't think so. If he was about to have a significant role we would already be seeing indications of that in the first 1-2 episodes. However his current interactions clearly shows that the writers just write random stuff to have him still part in the show until he is getting killed later in the season.
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You really have to wonder what Littlefinger's gameplan was all along. In the show he seems to be an idiot tbh (after the book material was over).
But yeah i agree, i doubt anything interesting will happen there, his days are over
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On July 25 2017 14:35 Emnjay808 wrote:
Has it been concretely said that Greyworm does, in fact, have a penis and that only his balls were removed in the Unsullied castration process?
Also ya Missandei has a nice bod.
"In Yunkai and Meereen, eunuchs are often made by removing a boy's testicles, but leaving the penis. Such a creature is infertile, yet often still capable of erection. Only trouble can come of this. We remove the penis as well, leaving nothing. The Unsullied are the purest creatures on the earth." He gave Dany and Arstan another of his broad white smiles.
So yeah, the whole greyworm melissandre shtick means the poor guy's going to eat her all night long and that's about it.
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On July 26 2017 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
You really have to wonder what Littlefinger's gameplan was all along. In the show he seems to be an idiot tbh (after the book material was over).
But yeah i agree, i doubt anything interesting will happen there, his days are over
Sadly, D&D are incapable to write a complex character like Littlefinger so I don't expect much from him tbh.
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What if Littlefinger never had a plan? What if his entire plan centered around his obsession with a girl and being totally unwilling to let her go? Wouldn’t that be the greatest con of all, tricking all of us into thinking he was more than a stalker?
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Nah that would be weak. Especially because it's not even making any sense. So this stalker gives the girl he is obsessed about to the boltons for no reason?
We could simply realize that the writers aren't skilled enough to write a compelling littlefinger arc, that would work.
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On July 26 2017 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
You really have to wonder what Littlefinger's gameplan was all along. In the show he seems to be an idiot tbh (after the book material was over).
But yeah i agree, i doubt anything interesting will happen there, his days are over
Well I guess he didn't know Ramsay was sadistic and thought Sansa would be fine with him. And then he would marry Sansa after stannis won the battle of the north (which also was wrong).
Or if stannis lost then I guess he magically predicted that the North with Jon Snow would win, but the north would make Sansa the queen of the north and Littlefinger would then marry Sansa (giving Sansa wasn't angry at him for her marriage with him).
And his backup plan is that he would then be able to manipulate Jon Snow, and... I am not really sure why Jon is so hostile towards Littlefinger. Sure Sansa said never to fully trust him, but he did also save them... That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense given what we know of the characters.
But yeh, the writers just don't know how to make a proper drama. Gonna be very interested in how their new drama show will work out where they have to create all the drama by them selves.
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On July 26 2017 06:50 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Nah that would be weak. Especially because it's not even making any sense. So this stalker gives the girl he is obsessed about to the boltons for no reason?
We could simply realize that the writers aren't skilled enough to write a compelling littlefinger arc, that would work.
His plan seemed simply. Leave her with terrible people, save her later. Littlefinger is just a creepy stalker that couldn't pass up the chance to screw Ned over. He killed the first Hand of the King and I have no doubt he loved the idea of having Ned take the job. The man has no grand plan.
On July 26 2017 07:02 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On July 26 2017 05:36 The_Red_Viper wrote:
You really have to wonder what Littlefinger's gameplan was all along. In the show he seems to be an idiot tbh (after the book material was over).
But yeah i agree, i doubt anything interesting will happen there, his days are over Also, not really sure why Jon is so hostile towards Littlefinger. Sure Sansa said never to fully trust him, but he did also save them... That doesn't really make a whole lot of sense given what we know of the characters.
Jon knows a snake. Unlike Ned, Jon didn't grow up with Littlefinger and only knows him as a political backstabber and old dude who wants to bone Sansa.
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Isn't Jon aware that Littlefinger betrayed Ned which led to his death?
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