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Wuster
1974 Posts
On May 25 2017 06:04 Requizen wrote: Is this the last season or is there another? Just trying to judge how many deaths to expect. I believe this will be a shortened season and next season will also be shortened and the last one. Seems to be the trend nowadays. | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
On May 25 2017 07:31 Wuster wrote: I believe this will be a shortened season and next season will also be shortened and the last one. Seems to be the trend nowadays. Yeah, next season is going to be 6 episodes according to their plan. I hope we get more though! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 25 2017 07:36 FreakyDroid wrote: Yeah, next season is going to be 6 episodes according to their plan. I hope we get more though! Well, there's always going to be the dozens of spinoffs HBO makes for it | ||
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FreakyDroid
Macedonia2616 Posts
On May 25 2017 10:10 Nevuk wrote: Well, there's always going to be the dozens of spinoffs HBO makes for it Looking forward to that, though I worry they might be held to a very high standard and if the audience's expectations aren't met, there could be lots of angry fans.  | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
However if there are budget issues, why don't they just cut the CGI epicness, really? I could watch a GoT soap opera with people sitting around in old looking rooms and an occasional outdoor shot of something blowing for months to no end ... | ||
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brian
United States9642 Posts
feels uh, what's the word.. i guess hypocritical to criticize their budgeting priorities. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 25 2017 23:22 opisska wrote: I can't imagine there being budget problems with GoT, which is like the most popular cable production ever. But what do I know about the monetization options of HBO, I watch it pirated anyway, because that's by far the most convenient option. However if there are budget issues, why don't they just cut the CGI epicness, really? I could watch a GoT soap opera with people sitting around in old looking rooms and an occasional outdoor shot of something blowing for months to no end ... It is both. They want the extra year of subscription and viewers, but also want the time to shoot the big action scenes and battles. HBO is a public company and has stock holders, so it was likely an easier sell over two seasons. Personally, I like that HBO and GOT are being up front about it. And I bet there are logistical issues too. Big action scenes and massive battles are huge undertakings and can take as many man hours as an entire episode, even without CGI. Maybe they need two seasons of shooting to get the battles and huge moments done. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Ernaine
60 Posts
When there is a battle scene in GoT, I alt-tab my out of the downloaded episode. Boring. I guess I just have to watch old Japanese taiga drama to get a 2 minute conversation of two people inside a semibad set that is obscured from looking fake by poor lighting. They still use plastic armor for GoT, rather than real stuff. So I don't get why they focus their budget on certain stuff. But maybe I am wrong, because all movies and video games do the same thing. They get flashy, low substance, instant gratification, expensive special effects/CGI. GoT used to be an exception. But from not even showing the battles themselves and having tons of dialogue and intrigue, they are now moving away from that each season bit by bit. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 26 2017 00:46 Ernaine wrote: It's absurd they don't make a ton of money through GoT because they do silly CGI and super-expensive on location shots. I understand you at least need some of that. But why not focus on dialog? Character development? Plot twists? Intrigue? I don't get it. When there is a battle scene in GoT, I alt-tab my out of the downloaded episode. Boring. I guess I just have to watch old Japanese taiga drama to get a 2 minute conversation of two people inside a semibad set that is obscured from looking fake by poor lighting. They still use plastic armor for GoT, rather than real stuff. So I don't get why they focus their budget on certain stuff. But maybe I am wrong, because all movies and video games do the same thing. They get flashy, low substance, instant gratification, expensive special effects/CGI. GoT used to be an exception. But from not even showing the battles themselves and having tons of dialogue and intrigue, they are now moving away from that each season bit by bit. I could have told you back when the show first started that towards the end there were going to be more battles. Dunno how you find them boring, but if you are looking for just a drama show with no action then I don't think game of thrones is for you. Would be so boring to just talk about the battles and never see them. | ||
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Ernaine
60 Posts
On May 26 2017 02:02 blade55555 wrote: I could have told you back when the show first started that towards the end there were going to be more battles. Dunno how you find them boring, but if you are looking for just a drama show with no action then I don't think game of thrones is for you. Would be so boring to just talk about the battles and never see them. First season didn't show full battles. Only skirmishes. Best example is Tyrion getting knocked out and the battle being over the next scene. Maybe that is how the books are? In books, battles are as boring as on tv, just without the flashy action scenes. Real armor was designed to do battle in. I am sure you can take a scene of an actor walking towards battle wearing non-plastic gear. It will also remove the trope of people randomly wearing armor, ie when not preparing for a set pieces battle. What show do I watch? What does that have to do with it? What is so much fun about watching a guy who obviously has no martial arts training hack at CGI zombies? | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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Ernaine
60 Posts
When now we have Sandor Clegane drinking in some backwater pup, wearing plastic chain mail. Now we would have him wearing no armor. But when he prepares for a battle or joust, instead of plastic armor, he can wear actual armor. Just a minor trope/annoyance. But if production value has to be perfect, I wonder why armor is different. In the end, set piece battles in cinema are boring. Skip them. Save the money. No more cgi ice zombies. Invest in proper script writing. No more Transformers movies either. Thanks. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
On May 26 2017 08:53 Ernaine wrote: Of course people barely wore armor. So therefore, the actors barely have to wear armor. When now we have Sandor Clegane drinking in some backwater pup, wearing plastic chain mail. Now we would have him wearing no armor. But when he prepares for a battle or joust, instead of plastic armor, he can wear actual armor. Just a minor trope/annoyance. But if production value has to be perfect, I wonder why armor is different. In the end, set piece battles in cinema are boring. Skip them. Save the money. No more cgi ice zombies. Invest in proper script writing. No more Transformers movies either. Thanks. I feel like the hound is a bit of a special case. It's pretty in character for him to be drinking in a backwater pub wearing armor, even if it's not particular practical. He was expected to be ready to defend Joffrey at all times, so he's actually got a reason to be used to wearing armor all the time. Plus he does have actual platemail armor that he wears when jousting, fighting the mountain, and a rather impractical dog shaped helm that you only see in the first episode. I can't really think of anyone else that wears fairly heavy armor all the time aside from maybe... Brienne? Jaime wears it when he's Kingsguarding. Robb is wearing some leather get-up, but it's hard to tell if that's armor or just his every day wear. I will admit to not having watched the most reason season yet (probably going to wait til the series is finished before deciding if I want to suffer through Dorne), but I doubt it's suddenly a noticeable issue there. It's actually a good deal better about it than most other series with the same setting. Characters do tend to wear different armor when they're in a battle they expect to have happen (Tywin on his horse after blackwater comes to mind). The decline in writing of dialogue stems from having outpaced the original series/changed too much to draw dialogue directly. Benioff and Weiss aren't awful writers, but they're no match for Martin's dialogue except on a very few occasions, mostly in the first season. It basically seems to me like the first 4 seasons were as close to 1:1 adaptations as TV could do, but now they're off on their own and just trying to get through the basics of the story - which is honestly not their fault, it's Martin's. Also, if the series dragged on much longer Bran's actor would be old enough to drink and still be supposed to be like... 12. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 26 2017 11:22 Yoav wrote: They don't wear "fake" armor for comfort... they wear it for budget. A full suit of armor is ridiculously expensive. And props are designed to break and be replaced or repaired. They are made to be filmed, not to be used. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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