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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On June 20 2016 21:31 Scorch wrote: This shows why spears, halberds and the like ruled historical battlefields. Swords were mostly used as backup and self-defence weapons and in civilian life because they can be carried around conveniently as a sidearm. Also, they were much harder to make and expensive. I wonder what lindybeige and scholagladiatoria on Youtube will have to say about this battle. Historical accuracy aside, not even in a fantasy setting should a giant go to battle unarmed. I wish he had taken a dead horse and smashed the shield wall with it. im rela bothered by the fact wun wun didnt get any sort of weapon. give him a club and he wrecks the boltons close to singlehandedly. he's the equivalent of a tank with no cannon. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21754 Posts
On June 20 2016 22:21 Whole wrote: Also one thing that made me mad, and a few of you mentioned it, was that Sansa could've just said "Yo I got the Vale coming, hold up." What do y'all think of this though? Maybe her plan was to weaken Jon's position by having him sacrifice most of his army in order to have Winterfell for herself? Seems like a stretch because it's partly unnecessary as Jon is a bastard, Jon doesn't seem interested in power, and they seem like they get along rather well. Can anyone justify why Sansa wouldn't tell Jon about the Vale's army? My only thought is that she is pissed that the men do not take her seriously (as shown by how upset she is no one asked for her opinion on the war council) and she wanted to come sweeping in to save the day to have her glorious moment and ear they respect(tm). | ||
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zeross
France310 Posts
On June 20 2016 22:23 Gorsameth wrote: My only thought is that she is pissed that the men do not take her seriously (as shown by how upset she is no one asked for her opinion on the war council) and she wanted to come sweeping in to save the day to have her glorious moment and ear they respect(tm). Or maybe she didn't know herself they where here. She could've just gone back to their camp to chill out and LF arrived there and she was like "follow me the fight already stated" | ||
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Sent.
Poland9204 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 20 2016 22:22 ticklishmusic wrote: im rela bothered by the fact wun wun didnt get any sort of weapon. give him a club and he wrecks the boltons close to singlehandedly. he's the equivalent of a tank with no cannon. I bet it had to do with how the special effects for that character were shot. He is one of the most amazing feats of special effects, but there had to be limitations. Maybe they did tests and they couldn’t make him use a club and have it not look like complete shit. Seriously, I want to see the making of documentary for this episode. Some of these shots in there were amazing and I have no idea how they did it. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 20 2016 22:23 Gorsameth wrote: My only thought is that she is pissed that the men do not take her seriously (as shown by how upset she is no one asked for her opinion on the war council) and she wanted to come sweeping in to save the day to have her glorious moment and ear they respect(tm). All those dead northmen corpses really respect(tm) her now  | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 20 2016 22:26 zeross wrote: Or maybe she didn't know herself they where here. She could've just gone back to their camp to chill out and LF arrived there and she was like "follow me the fight already stated" This is an era where they don’t have email and use ravens to send letter, so it makes sense that they might not have known when/if Little Finger would arrive. Unlike us, everyone in the world lacks the perfect information of the audience. It is likely that one of the Starks scouts saw them, told her and she went to meet them and direct them to where the battle was. | ||
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Grettin
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Daray
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On June 20 2016 22:21 Whole wrote: Also one thing that made me mad, and a few of you mentioned it, was that Sansa could've just said "Yo I got the Vale coming, hold up." What do y'all think of this though? Maybe her plan was to weaken Jon's position by having him sacrifice most of his army in order to have Winterfell for herself? Seems like a stretch because it's partly unnecessary as Jon is a bastard, Jon doesn't seem interested in power, and they seem like they get along rather well. Can anyone justify why Sansa wouldn't tell Jon about the Vale's army? I think she doesn't wan't Jon to know what she has been up to and that she has been scheming with Littlefinger. In an earlier episode Brienne even confronts her and asks why she didn't tell Jon about meeting with Littlefinger. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 20 2016 22:44 Scarecrow wrote: Sansa's turning evil imo, the scene with Ramsay's execution wasn't just gratuitous fan service. Ramsay even said there will always be some of me in you, and the smirk shows he's right. Littlefinger and her are going to be a force to be reckoned with and my pick for winning the game. No more brutal than her mother. Really the parallels evident. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
I am interested to see what she does now, but I'm more interested to know what Littlefinger wants in exchange for saving the day. Also, I understand there are budget/fimiling limitations, but allowing those limitations to result in an important and long-standing character (Ghost) to be completely left out of this battle and over half the season is just bad planning and bad management. I'm less miffed about Wun-Wun not having a weapon, but similar reasoning applies. This is the most popular TV show on the planet, figure out a way to make it work. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Well the start of the episode was cool with dragons and shit. The battle scenes later were also cool, but at that point I was already so angry, just seeing Jon sacrifice his army, when it was so clear that Sansa would arrive soon. Edit: Also the giant should've had a tree as a weapon, he could've smashed that formation apart. The only reason he didn't have a weapon was to make Jon look even more helpless and let Sansa save the day. | ||
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ahw
Canada1099 Posts
On June 20 2016 23:10 ZasZ. wrote: I don't know why everyone is assuming that Sansa was aware that the Vale army would arrive to save them. I was always under the impression that they would, but it would be because Littlefinger disregarded her refusal and came anyways. She was obviously conflicted about whether or not to tell Jon about it before the battle but I chalked that up to her stubbornness to refuse the men that they needed to win, not because she wanted to sacrifice thousands of lives to one-up him. I am interested to see what she does now, but I'm more interested to know what Littlefinger wants in exchange for saving the day. Also, I understand there are budget/fimiling limitations, but allowing those limitations to result in an important and long-standing character (Ghost) to be completely left out of this battle and over half the season is just bad planning and bad management. I'm less miffed about Wun-Wun not having a weapon, but similar reasoning applies. This is the most popular TV show on the planet, figure out a way to make it work. I doubt she knew LF was coming for sure, but even if she did, Jon proved he was too hot-headed and played in to the trap anyway. He's not fit for strategy. Sansa knew he would fuck it up, so it could be building her character to someone more cunning. Jon has to live with the decision he made and the people he slaughtered -- good leverage for her regardless. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
On June 20 2016 23:10 ZasZ. wrote: I don't know why everyone is assuming that Sansa was aware that the Vale army would arrive to save them. I was always under the impression that they would, but it would be because Littlefinger disregarded her refusal and came anyways. She was obviously conflicted about whether or not to tell Jon about it before the battle but I chalked that up to her stubbornness to refuse the men that they needed to win, not because she wanted to sacrifice thousands of lives to one-up him. . Well she personally pleaded to Jon to capture Winterfell in the first place in episode 4. He didn't even want to go . 'Notherm families are loyal they'll fight for you if you ask. A monster has taken our home and our brother. We have to go to winterfell and save them both' then continues to withold crucial information from him leading to the death of these same nothern families and almost Jons death as well. She didn't know Littlefinger would come but John sure as hell would have waited for a reply and scouts if she just told him. Now all those men rode to their deaths because she wanted Winterfell back but was too proud/scared/confused/whatever to tell about Littlefinger. It almost feels as if she'd wanted Jon to die. Of course quite some deaths could've been avoided if Jon and Davos didn't go full retard on the charge but still. | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
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Scorch
Austria3371 Posts
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Tunkeg
Norway1235 Posts
Rickon died, as expected, and he died in a manor that someone in this thread or the book thread spoiled right after he got captured (fuck that guy for spoiling btw!). His story was just a shaggydog story after all. Hopefully his story will be better in the books, but who knows. Sad thing he had to go. Then it is the way Jon reacts to the killing of Rickon. It annoys me so much. Yes, he should be pissed. He should be raging. But he shouldn't go and sacrifice his army like that. How fucking stupid can he be. I hope he knew the help was comming and set the fight up like this for Ramsey to get rearended hard. With the help from the Vale the fight would maybe just have been equal to start with, and I have some kind of hope that they planned it like this. Otherwise Jon is just a fucking fool, who frankly deserved to lose the battle. If he knew they were comming this way of going about it was brilliant. The Mereen scenes felt very rushed in this episode. The Dragons were epic though. And I like how it concluded. Deaenerys is comming to Westeros. End of season 6 will be 100 ships, 3 dragons, 1 imp and 1 Khaleesi riding into the sunset. Sansa+Littlefinger will be interesting. Will Littlefinger completely outplay Sansa here, or is there a slight chance that Sansa completely fucks over Littlefinger. Sansa knows the truth of Lysas death. Can a revelation to this set up Littlefingers demise? I hope Sansa gets Winterfell, and fucks over Littlefinger hard. He is a great player, but there is no way he will end up alive at the end of this story. Thormund killing the Littlejon was such a relief. Was certain he was dieing and to a fucking traitor who I actually despised more than Ramsey. Now maybe we will see Thorenne or Briemund happend. Even t hough Jamie+Brienne would be even better. Oh, and I almost forgot. Davos knows. Can he kill Melissandre? I fucking hope he does (though unlikely). I have hated her since the shadowspawn killed Renly, and after she burned Shireen she was only second to Stannis on my hatelist. Yes, I was happy when she ressed Jon, but it doesn't make up for all the shit she have done. tl;dr Overall great that Ramsey got offed, I was tired of him. Sad that Rickon died, sad that Jon may be a big big fool (will be happy if they reveal in the next episode that Jon knew), sad that WumWum died, even if he died as a badass. Sansa+LF interesting. Thormun surviving, phew. Davos knows. | ||
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Dante08
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