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Whilst I agree in a dark room that Arya would easily defeat the Waif due to:
A. Having a sword over a dagger.
B. Trained in waterdancing which the opponent does not know.
C. Has spent many days blind and is thusly experienced in the dark. (though the Waif might be as well?)
It still makes zero sense that the initial attack didn't kill her or at the very least render her completely incapacitated.
How was Arya seriously running and jumping around again so shortly after being stabbed several times in the abdomen.
Was the Waif's dagger that short? Was there no internal/organ damage? Death of lady Crane was meh. Same thing with Clegane last episode. Bring in someone nice so they can die and make the bad guy appear bad. Red shirts man.
Also, anyone else seriously got Terminator vibes from the Waif chasing? Seriously. Robot stare. Robot walk.
Rest of the episode was decent (Tyrion needs better scenes), sad that the Blackfish had to be that level of stubborn and thusly no Tully forces for the fight at Winterfell. Oh well, let's hope the The Eyrie army comes to Jon/Sansa's aid then.
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While the whole Arya storyline was a total clusterfuck of fail, I do like that in the end she decides to be herself. During the training it never really felt she was becoming no one, and sometimes I found myself wondering if it was intended or just bad acting.
With that said, the Hound scenes were the only good part of this episode for me. Usually I'm very forgiving, but this one was just bad. Black Fish deciding to just die was a sad wtf for me.
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I really loved the T-1000 part in this episode, how he chased after Arya and his lifeless stare, really nailed it.
Also, Arya has some Wolverine levels of regeneration, running and tripping over half of the town just a day or two after having her guts stabbed repeatedly.
Great episode, I r8 it 8/8.
On a serious note, jesus what a complete and utter mess of a story they did with Arya.
Also, feel really bad about Dinklage having to do with this shitty script and making jokes with the two most boring and mute characters in the world.
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Cant believe "Now the girl is a no one" didn't have a meaning. What was the original point of faceless men? Just kill bad ppl or what? Maybe Arya was some next step or something.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
FUCK THIS SHOW, GIVE ME CLEGANNEBOWLLLLLLLLLL
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On June 14 2016 03:12 Plansix wrote:
People who felt the waif was anything but a shitty bully who thought she was bad ass confuse me. I pretty much knew that girl was going to try to kill Arya at some point and end up playing herself.
Well, she was depicted as kinda hierarchically superior to Arya (allowed to beat her, trains her, reports to Jaqen about her progress, can use faces, etc), so I see her as an intermediary between the master, Jaqen, and the student, Arya - something like a supervisor. So she should be more than just a bully, as her skill is supposed to be superior to Arya's (Syrio + The Hound training aside).
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On June 14 2016 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 03:12 Plansix wrote:
People who felt the waif was anything but a shitty bully who thought she was bad ass confuse me. I pretty much knew that girl was going to try to kill Arya at some point and end up playing herself. Well, she was depicted as kinda hierarchically superior to Arya (allowed to beat her, trains her, reports to Jaqen about her progress, can use faces, etc), so I see her as an intermediary between the master, Jaqen, and the student, Arya - something like a supervisor. So she should be more than just a bully, as her skill is supposed to be superior to Arya's (Syrio + The Hound training aside).
Yeah, I saw her as a shitty bully that was slightly more talented than Arya at stick fighting.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
On June 14 2016 03:28 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 03:12 Plansix wrote:
People who felt the waif was anything but a shitty bully who thought she was bad ass confuse me. I pretty much knew that girl was going to try to kill Arya at some point and end up playing herself. Yeah, that was my impression as well. I thought it would be more of an angle where Arya basically outted her as not being able to separate her emotions (to her detriment while Arya learned how to use them to her advantage). I think it was implied but not explicitly said. I feel like the Hound is being set up for some duel against the Mountain and I think Cersi and the maester were talking about Khalisi?
I thought they were talking about the mad king's wildfire stash given it was in Bran's prophecy.
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I thought that stash was already used by Tyrion in s2
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On June 14 2016 04:18 Jusba wrote:
Cant believe "Now the girl is a no one" didn't have a meaning. What was the original point of faceless men? Just kill bad ppl or what? Maybe Arya was some next step or something.
Okay just a theory and hunch here but she was training to be "No One" and after she got her eyes back she was considered a "No One." The Waif is also a "No One." Since Jakken offer the face of a "No One" to the faceless god, that mean either one could of worked. Which was why he sent Waif to kill Arya for fucking up but in reality the death of either was fine as long as the faceless god get their tribute.
No idea why Jakken said that she was considered a No One at the end though.
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I fucking knew they are gonna kill the god damn Blackfish
Stop making badass charackters and then kill them T_T
At least Oberyn had some awesome screntime..
Also i dont care if it is in the upcoming book or not but i want some god damn Cleaganebowl
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On S06E07:
+ Show Spoiler +On June 07 2016 02:55 Belha wrote:
I feel the episode is weak.
- The Hound return is nice, but the story around it was VERY weak both in plot and in execution.
- The Sparrow arc to me, remains weak. By weak, I mean, lazy, dull, without depth, not that believable and so.
- Have not much sense that the north houses all are close but manage different information: Mormont house belive the Starks tale about the undeads, but the other house says basically that wildlings sux.
- Arya not dying to the stabbing must have some good twitst, or is plain dumb (same level as the Sparrow arc need some good ending/closure).
+ Bronn + Jaimie scenes are solid.
+ Margaery character remains true with the series origins and what made it a succes: how twisted a person can be is the search for power (the "ladder"). It remains to be seen what Cersei will do.
So, they basically continue with some very lazy script and execution.
- The Arya arc seems almost taken from a series aimed for kids/teens. Both her inmunity to stabing and regeneration + how retarded the noface women (the Waif) attempt to finish her; very very weak. Also, they build up the no-face thing of Arya since..season 2..for this? Really? Again, weak.
- The Tyrion scenne with the "jokes" was very poor. No character dev. excuse to save that. As lazy as you can get.
- The Riverrun siege and the outcome + execution was meh. I understand that not everything could be exciting, but the last episodes everything seems to be going slowly downhill. I really hope for some kind of clever lift up or twist.**
- ** Same can be said for the King Landing's events. I have higher hopes for this arc, since Cersei + Qyburn seems willing to do whatever it takes to get what they want, plus the High Garden folks seems to have something under the sleeve.
Overall, again, some underwelming plot decisions but the story/background still have potential, so there is still hopes (the can't ruin EVERY arc up and right!).
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Zurich15345 Posts
Really got to agree with the criticism, there was very little acceptable this episode  I guess Jamie scenes were good cause the guy can act, but even there I don't like the direction his character is taking. He seems to be taking wild swings between remorseful redemption Jamie and back to season 1 asshole Jamie.
Braavos was reduced to a huge WTF by this episode. Dorne level.
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On June 14 2016 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 14 2016 03:12 Plansix wrote:
People who felt the waif was anything but a shitty bully who thought she was bad ass confuse me. I pretty much knew that girl was going to try to kill Arya at some point and end up playing herself. Well, she was depicted as kinda hierarchically superior to Arya (allowed to beat her, trains her, reports to Jaqen about her progress, can use faces, etc), so I see her as an intermediary between the master, Jaqen, and the student, Arya - something like a supervisor. So she should be more than just a bully, as her skill is supposed to be superior to Arya's (Syrio + The Hound training aside).
Waif is advanced prototype, mimetic polyalloy
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Am I the only one that think Blackfish is alive? I mean the Tully value family very highly. As their House saying is "Family, duty, honor." Although this could also be said that Edmure saved his family by sacrificing his uncle blackfish.
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On June 14 2016 07:34 SheaR619 wrote:
Am I the only one that think Blackfish is alive? I mean the Tully value family very highly. As their House saying is "Family, duty, honor." Although this could also be said that Edmure saved his family by sacrificing his uncle blackfish.
Possible but unlikely. Even though everyone who did not die on screen might have a case for still being alive.
Also i gotta say i'm happy that Brienne brought 0 Tully men north. Noone but the Blackfish had any brains judging from what they did.
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i like arya as a character but that was shit, clegane the only good thing happened in this ep
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On June 14 2016 07:34 SheaR619 wrote:
Am I the only one that think Blackfish is alive? I mean the Tully value family very highly. As their House saying is "Family, duty, honor." Although this could also be said that Edmure saved his family by sacrificing his uncle blackfish.
He's on the boat with Gendry and Stannis
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Pretty bad episode. Arya getting brutally stabbed then shrugging it off is really off putting. Why even include the stab scene in the first place? Really lame and stupid.
I read a lot of critic on the Tyrion scene, but the whole point of that was to show what an awful time Tyrion is having with his socially retarded companions. He is exiled to this world where he doesn't belong, he shines at Westerosi politics but now has to deal with crazy dragon lady and her band of misfits to get back in the game. The awkwardness and unfunnyness was exactly the point. I do agree it's not very interesting to watch.
I really don't understand a random fleet approaching out of nowhere and seconds later firing freakin cruise missiles at Mereen though, wtf was that. Mereen has no scouts and spies? Varys birds?
Faith militant quickly losing faith versus zombie Mountain was good stuff. Podrick and Bronn was great.
Jamie doing a good deed by threatening Edmure, he saved a lot of lives and only hurt what little was left of Edmure's pride.
The Blackfish suiciding by cop was super random though. He could help his niece Sansa but no he had to go die for no reason and not even an epic fight scene.
What was Cersei's alchemist talking about, anybody know?
On June 14 2016 07:34 SheaR619 wrote:
Am I the only one that think Blackfish is alive? I mean the Tully value family very highly. As their House saying is "Family, duty, honor." Although this could also be said that Edmure saved his family by sacrificing his uncle blackfish.
How would he be alive, a lannister soldier reports his death. Why would this soldier lie to Jamie about it?
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maybe tully soldier tell lannister soldier "bro he is dead" go tell your boss
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