On June 14 2016 00:39 Plansix wrote: You have to ask yourself why he sent Arya to see the play about her family and kill the lead actress. Was it a contract or was it a test to see who Arya wanted to be? Maybe he wanted Arya Stark to be a follower of the faceless god. Or he didn’t care either way?
When the Waif goes to kill Arya, did he order it or did she ask? I can’t remember, but I think she asks and then he assents to the request. I wonder if he ever would have asked the waif to kill Arya had the waif not requested to.
In light of how this episode ended I'm starting to feel that the Waif/Arya rivalry is a "only one can survive" style initiation, where they are both intended to take opposite paths. The Waif throwing away all sense of self and humanity and becoming a pure emotionless tool, while Arya has to fully accept and embrace herself, overcoming all her insecurities from her fucked up time in westeros, in order to reach her full potential.
She finally fully accepted who she was at the end, while the Waif had still not been able to get rid of her negative emotions like hate/anger/jealousy, and so Arya was stronger than her. I guess Jaqen had to stay impartial during the process, but from the various scenes it's pretty clear he was hoping Arya would win, and now that she has it's going to be interesting to see if he lets her go, or gives her some gift, or if she's actually passed the initiation and will be granted all their powers before leaving.
On June 14 2016 00:50 bardtown wrote: I have this hunch she might be some sort of prophet for his religion. The one who won't relinquish their name.
Also, my guess for next episode: wildlings lose to Ramsay, but Petyr shows up and routs the Boltons, then massacres Jon, Sansa and the remaining wildlings.
First point is interesting, maybe.
I really don't see littlefinger killing Sansa though. Killing everyone else and continuing his weird fetish stuff with Sansa maybe, but just straight up killing her would kind of undermine everything he's worked towards so far over the course of the show. Plus what on earth would he do going forward o.0
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
Killed the light by slashing the candle, and was apparently (presumably from all her training while blind) able to out-duel the waif in a dagger vs sword fight in the dark.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
I watched Jon Snow fight a guy with two daggers in the biggest hut I have ever seen in my life. The thing was huge, so big John could swing a bastard sword around and it was ok. And for some reason two daggers came out on top, despite Jon having the longer weapon build for fighting. And my brain had problems dealing with this, but then I got over it.
But seriously, so many long weapons being used inside homes and buildings. Guys with two handed axes running into houses to fight and all I can think is “how are you going to swing that thing?”
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
Daggers are really bad against swords and the waif is a cocky shit.
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
Cut the candle, and waterdancing in the dark = gg
That's what I understood. I don't think anyone knew Arya was trained in waterdancing.
On June 13 2016 20:32 KadaverBB wrote: Might be time to stop reading this thread, it is just getting more and more negative after each episode.
Guess so? I see people making perfectly valid criticisms of sloppy writing calling out unnecessary and nonsensical fluff. Time padding is usually a good sign that the writers are blanking.
I read just this page and the last and most of the crticism was straight up laughable. I came here being mad about the episode I just watched but now find myself defending it simply because the criticism here is so bad.
That's funny. The only rebuttals to the criticism I see are straight up laughable. The Arya scene was hot garbage, time padding pure and simple. They could have skipped the stabbing altogether and ended last week's episode with Arya cutting the candle because it would have been the same fucking difference. Between the play again, Lady Crane's boring and worthless dialogue, and Arya running around Bravos while bleeding out, together ended up being five minutes of wasted screen time on a show that couldn't afford it. It deserves to be mocked.
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
Cut the candle, and waterdancing in the dark = gg
That's what I understood. I don't think anyone knew Arya was trained in waterdancing.
also, does cutting a candle turns it "off" ? (dunno the english word for that)
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
Cut the candle, and waterdancing in the dark = gg
That's what I understood. I don't think anyone knew Arya was trained in waterdancing.
also, does cutting a candle turns it "off" ? (dunno the english word for that)
Candles go out pretty easy. In like low breezes, if turn on their side, just because they feel like it. Not really that crazy that the candle would go out. We have hit true nitpick levels at this point.
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
Cut the candle, and waterdancing in the dark = gg
That's what I understood. I don't think anyone knew Arya was trained in waterdancing.
also, does cutting a candle turns it "off" ? (dunno the english word for that)
Candles go out pretty easy. In like low breezes, if turn on their side, just because they feel like it. Not really that crazy that the candle would go out. We have hit true nitpick levels at this point.
I'm not complaining, I was just curious, because when I was watching i didnt make the connection 'cutting candle' = 'fighting in the dark' immediately. But I guess I was the only one =)
On June 13 2016 20:32 KadaverBB wrote: Might be time to stop reading this thread, it is just getting more and more negative after each episode.
Guess so? I see people making perfectly valid criticisms of sloppy writing calling out unnecessary and nonsensical fluff. Time padding is usually a good sign that the writers are blanking.
I read just this page and the last and most of the crticism was straight up laughable. I came here being mad about the episode I just watched but now find myself defending it simply because the criticism here is so bad.
That's funny. The only rebuttals to the criticism I see are straight up laughable. The Arya scene was hot garbage, time padding pure and simple. They could have skipped the stabbing altogether and ended last week's episode with Arya cutting the candle because it would have been the same fucking difference. Between the play again, Lady Crane's boring and worthless dialogue, and Arya running around Bravos while bleeding out, together ended up being five minutes of wasted screen time on a show that couldn't afford it. It deserves to be mocked.
On June 13 2016 20:32 KadaverBB wrote: Might be time to stop reading this thread, it is just getting more and more negative after each episode.
Guess so? I see people making perfectly valid criticisms of sloppy writing calling out unnecessary and nonsensical fluff. Time padding is usually a good sign that the writers are blanking.
I read just this page and the last and most of the crticism was straight up laughable. I came here being mad about the episode I just watched but now find myself defending it simply because the criticism here is so bad.
That's funny. The only rebuttals to the criticism I see are straight up laughable. The Arya scene was hot garbage, time padding pure and simple. They could have skipped the stabbing altogether and ended last week's episode with Arya cutting the candle because it would have been the same fucking difference. Between the play again, Lady Crane's boring and worthless dialogue, and Arya running around Bravos while bleeding out, together ended up being five minutes of wasted screen time on a show that couldn't afford it. It deserves to be mocked.
I mean, to write a post like this I'd have to be angry/upset about something else in my life and I unload criticizing a tv show take it easy, no need to be so harsh .."It deserves to be mocked".. so dramatic!
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
Cut the candle, and waterdancing in the dark = gg
That's what I understood. I don't think anyone knew Arya was trained in waterdancing.
also, does cutting a candle turns it "off" ? (dunno the english word for that)
Candles go out pretty easy. In like low breezes, if turn on their side, just because they feel like it. Not really that crazy that the candle would go out. We have hit true nitpick levels at this point.
I'm not complaining, I was just curious, because when I was watching i didnt make the connection 'cutting candle' = 'fighting in the dark' immediately. But I guess I was the only one =)
If we are going to get into #realism that candle powered by the most amazing fuel ever to light a room that well. Most candles do not emit enough light to read by, let alone light a room.
And combine that with a few badly written filler scenes. Like why on earth did the writers think it would be fun to listen to Tyrion tell Greyworm and Missandei that they should make some jokes and drink some wine?
this scene was literally the same as the scene from the recent episode where he asks them if they know "how to make conversation". instead it is "do u know how to make whatr is a joke?"
these scenes are fine if executed well but ehh the dialogue just isnt anywhere near there
On June 14 2016 00:52 LaNague wrote: how did arya beat the girl, i didnt get that one.
For the rest, i would still consider this all part of a plan as the guy seemed to be more than ok with her leaving and also the other girl seemed to have been trained specifically to challange arya and also to hate her (hence the terminator chase, that wasnt assassin like at all)
She was training blind for who knows how long.
i know, it was 3 days!
i liked this ep, i was sad about no sansa but arya running boobs scenes more than made up for it. that is my review
On June 13 2016 20:32 KadaverBB wrote: Might be time to stop reading this thread, it is just getting more and more negative after each episode.
Guess so? I see people making perfectly valid criticisms of sloppy writing calling out unnecessary and nonsensical fluff. Time padding is usually a good sign that the writers are blanking.
I read just this page and the last and most of the crticism was straight up laughable. I came here being mad about the episode I just watched but now find myself defending it simply because the criticism here is so bad.
That's funny. The only rebuttals to the criticism I see are straight up laughable. The Arya scene was hot garbage, time padding pure and simple. They could have skipped the stabbing altogether and ended last week's episode with Arya cutting the candle because it would have been the same fucking difference. Between the play again, Lady Crane's boring and worthless dialogue, and Arya running around Bravos while bleeding out, together ended up being five minutes of wasted screen time on a show that couldn't afford it. It deserves to be mocked.
I mean, to write a post like this I'd have to be angry/upset about something else in my life and I unload criticizing a tv show take it easy, no need to be so harsh .."It deserves to be mocked".. so dramatic!
The style is a bit dramatic but he's right though. What does the whole stabbing thing has achieved, except making the Waif look like an incompetent would-be assassin who's not even able to finish off a bleeding girl and attacking the story's coherency? Same with Tyrion's scene this episode and the recent "do you know how to make conversation?" scene : doesn't add anything of worth to the story.
People who felt the waif was anything but a shitty bully who thought she was bad ass confuse me. I pretty much knew that girl was going to try to kill Arya at some point and end up playing herself.
On June 14 2016 03:12 Plansix wrote: People who felt the waif was anything but a shitty bully who thought she was bad ass confuse me. I pretty much knew that girl was going to try to kill Arya at some point and end up playing herself.
Yeah, that was my impression as well. I thought it would be more of an angle where Arya basically outted her as not being able to separate her emotions (to her detriment while Arya learned how to use them to her advantage). I think it was implied but not explicitly said.
I feel like the Hound is being set up for some duel against the Mountain and I think Cersi and the maester were talking about Khalisi?
EPT
take it easy, no need to be so harsh 
