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On May 31 2016 18:48 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2016 18:35 Rels wrote:
I have a problem with the noface guys though. They should be "no one" but the dude is clearly the stereotypical kung fu master and the girl is clearly the stereotypical jaleous older student. It's weird when they should have 0 feeling about her. I think they even showed the dude wasn't even the dude she meet in Westeros at the end of season 5, just another guy with the same face ? When he died and another dude had the same face as him ? Or do I remember this wrong. Cause if I'm right it doesn't even make sense he has "daddy like feelings" about her, even if we let alone the "it doesn't make sense there is this stereotypical master student relationship between the two" thing Yeah its another dude with the same face. I think they did it that way because Jaqen was so popular. I agree and disagree at the same time with you  Both of them are kind of very stereotypical and thats kind of bad. But at the same time being "no one" does not mean they dont have some emotions i think. I mean even Jaqen shows emotions such as fear or anger in the earlier seasons when he meets Arya.
When was this established? I don't remember it. Do you have an episode?
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On May 31 2016 23:38 Shock710 wrote:
I also think that theres more information within the books, so book readers can come to conclusions that the show watchers cant, sometimes they're wrong sometimes they're right, but either way they shouldnt be posted in here.
That goes the same for looking up shit for potential spoilery characters to show through cast lists and then actually posting it here? Like thats just plain dumb, if u wanna know keep it to urself.
Rules haven't changed. This thread here is spoiler free. See http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/entertainment/82188-tv-hbo-game-of-thrones?page=1446#28905
On March 09 2016 21:01 zatic wrote:
Since we just had our first spoiler ban of the season, a friendly reminder: The rules on top of this thread have not changed, and will continue to be enforced in this thread.
While the show has caught up with some parts of the book series, other parts including entire storylines, haven't. And of course the books give way more and additional information on the storylines that have "caught up" as well.
If you want to talk about book content, go to the book thread.
Same goes for discussing information from leaked episodes, cast from future episodes, other leaks outside the show etc.
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Does it mean you can discuss leaks and previews in the book thread without hiding them under spoiler tags?
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On May 31 2016 23:52 Sent. wrote:
Does it mean you can discuss leaks and previews in the book thread without hiding them under spoiler tags?
Use clearly marked spoiler tags for stuff like that in the book thread. Common sense, people.
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On May 31 2016 23:45 GGQ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2016 18:48 BlackCompany wrote:On May 31 2016 18:35 Rels wrote:
I have a problem with the noface guys though. They should be "no one" but the dude is clearly the stereotypical kung fu master and the girl is clearly the stereotypical jaleous older student. It's weird when they should have 0 feeling about her. I think they even showed the dude wasn't even the dude she meet in Westeros at the end of season 5, just another guy with the same face ? When he died and another dude had the same face as him ? Or do I remember this wrong. Cause if I'm right it doesn't even make sense he has "daddy like feelings" about her, even if we let alone the "it doesn't make sense there is this stereotypical master student relationship between the two" thing Yeah its another dude with the same face. I think they did it that way because Jaqen was so popular. I agree and disagree at the same time with you Both of them are kind of very stereotypical and thats kind of bad. But at the same time being "no one" does not mean they dont have some emotions i think. I mean even Jaqen shows emotions such as fear or anger in the earlier seasons when he meets Arya. When was this established? I don't remember it. Do you have an episode?
In the first(?) episode of season 5 when Arya came to the house of black and white he says "a man is not Jaqen". But re-watching that made me realize that it is possible that it is still the same guy but he simply left the name Jaqen behind.
However at the end of season 5 (i checked and its episode 10 of season 5) the guy wearing Jaqens face drank that poison and re-appeared in the Waif. So i assume that at least from that point on it's another faceless man wearing the face of Jaqen.
Unless there was some serious switching of faces to confuse Arya going which would make it impossible to know who the real Jaqen is.
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On May 31 2016 23:21 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2016 23:00 Scarecrow wrote:On May 31 2016 22:45 Plansix wrote:On May 30 2016 23:24 Scarecrow wrote:
Disappointing that Benjen was not at a surprise at all, talking about the future cast should count as a spoiler. How is it fun to look up/know cast lists at the start of a season? Responding to this one a little late, but it is almost impossible to withhold information in the era of the internet and phones on cameras. Especially on a series as popular as Game of Thrones. It's very possible to avoid if you don't go looking for it. It was actually the first spoiler of any kind I've had in 6 seasons. Most people don't go out of their way to check the cast lists of upcoming seasons and episodes. It's fine if they want to check but broadcasting about returning cast members (assumed dead) and their return dates is really dickish. It's very easy to avoid youtube comment sections and the like, the only risk is reading on here but I had faith in the moderation. On May 25 2016 00:08 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:btw, we should expect one more important character returning in next episode, also from s1  he told this in his twitter and he's + Show Spoiler +"uncle" Benjen Stark, night's watch scout I didn't quote it before because I wanted to protect others, but this crap has no place in the thread. it's like someone forcing u to open a spoiler? u had a choice
I worked out who it probably was without opening the spoiler. Is it that hard to admit you shouldn't be posting about returning characters in here until they've actually returned? Anyone with half a brain can deduce that Bran needed saving and the number of S1 characters missing beyond the wall is a very short list.
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I don't like spoilers that come from metadata (actors having been spotted in Belfast, hint-tweets etc), but as the show is now past the books those aren't so much a problem anymore.
StealthBlue: I thought an 8th season is already in the planning. And honestly, I'd be disappointed if there wasn't one, 1.5 season is waaay too little time to cover everything.
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Apparently there are 13 episodes after this season and I would expect them to be broken up between two seasons. The reason being that the end of GoT will likely be a production/special effects nightmare and two years worth of time and budget will be needed to cover that.
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I would honestly prefer for them to stretch it more. At this point, I am not really in the need of any conclusions, I just enjoy the characters going around doing their usual business with the odd surprise here and there. I would watch years of that ...
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On June 01 2016 00:33 Plansix wrote:
Apparently there are 13 episodes after this season and I would expect them to be broken up between two seasons. The reason being that the end of GoT will likely be a production/special effects nightmare and two years worth of time and budget will be needed to cover that.
Am i allowed to say here that i don't see this working very well at all? 13 episodes (with a few this season, so let's say 20) to adapt the two future books who will have around the same size each as ASOS (which got 20 episodes as well).
I am really afraid that D&D will rush the story to come to an end instead of developing it nicely with well done scenes, characterization, etc
Imo you can see it even now in a lot of the scenes, not too hyped about them deciding to do this.
On the other hand i can somewhat get where they are coming from though, it has to be tough to work on a project for that long especially when you aren't even the main creative power behind all of this.
Still me as a consumer wants the best product he can get and this decision seems to interfere with exactly that.
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On June 01 2016 00:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 00:33 Plansix wrote:
Apparently there are 13 episodes after this season and I would expect them to be broken up between two seasons. The reason being that the end of GoT will likely be a production/special effects nightmare and two years worth of time and budget will be needed to cover that. Am i allowed to say here that i don't see this working very well at all? 13 episodes (with a few this season, so let's say 20) to adapt the two future books who will have around the same size each as ASOS (which got 20 episodes as well). I am really afraid that D&D will rush the story to come to an end instead of developing it nicely with well done scenes, characterization, etc Imo you can see it even now in a lot of the scenes, not too hyped about them deciding to do this. On the other hand i can somewhat get where they are coming from though, it has to be tough to work on a project for that long especially when you aren't even the main creative power behind all of this. Still me as a consumer wants the best product he can get and this decision seems to interfere with exactly that.
Well hasn't it been confirmed that this and future season only follow the books very loosly? Basically only doing the major events/conclusions and filling the rest how the want to? Then i can see them simply cutting/rewriting stuff to make it fit in the given number of episodes.
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On June 01 2016 00:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 00:33 Plansix wrote:
Apparently there are 13 episodes after this season and I would expect them to be broken up between two seasons. The reason being that the end of GoT will likely be a production/special effects nightmare and two years worth of time and budget will be needed to cover that. Am i allowed to say here that i don't see this working very well at all? 13 episodes (with a few this season, so let's say 20) to adapt the two future books who will have around the same size each as ASOS (which got 20 episodes as well). I am really afraid that D&D will rush the story to come to an end instead of developing it nicely with well done scenes, characterization, etc Imo you can see it even now in a lot of the scenes, not too hyped about them deciding to do this. On the other hand i can somewhat get where they are coming from though, it has to be tough to work on a project for that long especially when you aren't even the main creative power behind all of this. Still me as a consumer wants the best product he can get and this decision seems to interfere with exactly that.
Personally, I can’t see them dragging it out any longer than that. Once Dany gets on those boats and lands on Westerose, its just a count down until they fight with the White Walkers. Its just a question of who is left standing and how they stop them. Once that happens, the war will just end and someone will be put on the throne. There are only so many stories they can tell before it has to end. The slow pace was nice for world building, but a lot of fans of the show want closure and resolution. The logistics of moving an army across the sea and to the north are not that interesting on their own.
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On June 01 2016 01:08 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 00:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On June 01 2016 00:33 Plansix wrote:
Apparently there are 13 episodes after this season and I would expect them to be broken up between two seasons. The reason being that the end of GoT will likely be a production/special effects nightmare and two years worth of time and budget will be needed to cover that. Am i allowed to say here that i don't see this working very well at all? 13 episodes (with a few this season, so let's say 20) to adapt the two future books who will have around the same size each as ASOS (which got 20 episodes as well). I am really afraid that D&D will rush the story to come to an end instead of developing it nicely with well done scenes, characterization, etc Imo you can see it even now in a lot of the scenes, not too hyped about them deciding to do this. On the other hand i can somewhat get where they are coming from though, it has to be tough to work on a project for that long especially when you aren't even the main creative power behind all of this. Still me as a consumer wants the best product he can get and this decision seems to interfere with exactly that. Personally, I can’t see them dragging it out any longer than that. Once Dany gets on those boats and lands on Westerose, its just a count down until they fight with the White Walkers. Its just a question of who is left standing and how they stop them. Once that happens, the war will just end and someone will be put on the throne. There are only so many stories they can tell before it has to end. The slow pace was nice for world building, but a lot of fans of the show want closure and resolution. The logistics of moving an army across the sea and to the north are not that interesting on their own.
Sure, but what about any of the politics that come with Dany going to westeros? She basically is an outside conquerer at this point, this should result in another big war. That alone could have the potential to fill these 13 episodes, then add to that the white walkers and it's pretty hard to see how they wanna do it imo. Especially because we need an ending for all the characters which won't be the main power in these events as well. 13 episodes is just so little time to do all of this imo and i fear that the quality of the buildup and plot/character development will drop based on this.
I can see that people who are mainly looking for answers might not be bothered by this, but personally i think that is a somewhat shallow way to enjoy the show, especially when thinking back to the first few seasons.
I think we can agree that doing two big books in 20 episodes probably will result in a way faster pace (which might decrease the quality) than doing one big book in 20. Unless we assume that the endgame will be completely straight forward (but even then the time is still rather short)
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The politics are going to be “The Throne is mine, I have this huge army and dragons. The wall has fallen and you need me to defend this country. You will either help or face the wrath of me and the houses who sided with me.”
And then there is going to be a lot of political dealing with who gets what for helping in the fight against the white walkers. But there is no one who has the military might to fight her any more, let along the political will. People just want stability. Even the Lannisters are not that dumb. They will give up the throne as long as it doesn’t lead to them all dying and they get to keep some part of their holdings.
It will be some variation of that and it will be interesting for sure. I bet it’s a giant political round table with all the remaining major players, because that would be fun. But I doubt anyone is going to look at those dragons and army and think we can take them, lets fight another war against the flying fire spitters.
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maybe the lannisters harness blood magic and cersei becomes a dark and powerful witch queen
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I don't think the Dothraki really play nice. If they show up it'll be fires and rapes and load up with as many horses as they can and then go back to the Dothraki sea. Like what can Dany actually offer them in Westeros? They're a nomadic herding people. They can sack the place but they'd be sacking her kingdom.
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On June 01 2016 02:32 KwarK wrote:
I don't think the Dothraki really play nice. If they show up it'll be fires and rapes and load up with as many horses as they can and then go back to the Dothraki sea. Like what can Dany actually offer them in Westeros? They're a nomadic herding people. They can sack the place but they'd be sacking her kingdom.
Land if they want to settle an farm, money/riches if they want to leave and go home? It would not be the first time that a warlord/general offered that to get people to fight for them.
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On June 01 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 02:32 KwarK wrote:
I don't think the Dothraki really play nice. If they show up it'll be fires and rapes and load up with as many horses as they can and then go back to the Dothraki sea. Like what can Dany actually offer them in Westeros? They're a nomadic herding people. They can sack the place but they'd be sacking her kingdom. Land if they want to settle an farm, money/riches if they want to leave and go home? It would not be the first time that a warlord/general offered that to get people to fight for them.
If the Dothraki wanted to settle down they'd have settled down. They don't. She's bringing a horde that are motivated chiefly by the desire to burn shit down, rape the women, kill the men and take anything not nailed down. Now maybe she'll tell them that they're not allowed to do that but then what the hell are they even coming along for? The logical outcome would be for her to ship them all back home after she won but even then they'd be taking captive women, gold and other riches with them. It's not the best invasion plan.
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On June 01 2016 02:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2016 02:32 KwarK wrote:
I don't think the Dothraki really play nice. If they show up it'll be fires and rapes and load up with as many horses as they can and then go back to the Dothraki sea. Like what can Dany actually offer them in Westeros? They're a nomadic herding people. They can sack the place but they'd be sacking her kingdom. Land if they want to settle an farm, money/riches if they want to leave and go home? It would not be the first time that a warlord/general offered that to get people to fight for them. If the Dothraki wanted to settle down they'd have settled down. They don't. She's bringing a horde that are motivated chiefly by the desire to burn shit down, rape the women, kill the men and take anything not nailed down. Now maybe she'll tell them that they're not allowed to do that but then what the hell are they even coming along for? The logical outcome would be for her to ship them all back home after she won but even then they'd be taking captive women, gold and other riches with them. It's not the best invasion plan.
But she has dragons and is the rightful queen, ofc all is going to turn out well d:
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On June 01 2016 02:57 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On June 01 2016 02:50 Plansix wrote:On June 01 2016 02:32 KwarK wrote:
I don't think the Dothraki really play nice. If they show up it'll be fires and rapes and load up with as many horses as they can and then go back to the Dothraki sea. Like what can Dany actually offer them in Westeros? They're a nomadic herding people. They can sack the place but they'd be sacking her kingdom. Land if they want to settle an farm, money/riches if they want to leave and go home? It would not be the first time that a warlord/general offered that to get people to fight for them. If the Dothraki wanted to settle down they'd have settled down. They don't. She's bringing a horde that are motivated chiefly by the desire to burn shit down, rape the women, kill the men and take anything not nailed down. Now maybe she'll tell them that they're not allowed to do that but then what the hell are they even coming along for? The logical outcome would be for her to ship them all back home after she won but even then they'd be taking captive women, gold and other riches with them. It's not the best invasion plan.
I think how that works out is dependent on the political landscape when she arrives. I agree it would be a huge problem she arrived right now. But if she arrives after the Wall has fallen and the White Walkers are spreading across the north, it will be a different story. The set up is that she is going to travel by the ships that the Salt Lords are building and their lands could be overrun by the time they get back. I don’t think the ice zombies are going to be held up by a little ocean.
If the north has failed to hold back the white walkers and it is only a matter of time before the 7 kingdoms fall, convincing the Dothraki to fight the enemy all of the 7 kingdoms cannot defeat might not be a big ask. They are a nomadic warrior people who love to talk about dying a glorious death.
That is the part I am interested in. What happens when that wall comes down? How fast to the white walkers sweep across the lands with their undead, tireless, ever growing army? How many houses just get crushed by it? Because I really hope is it’s most of the north, with only the Starks having the good sense to GTFO.
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