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On April 28 2016 03:46 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 03:42 opisska wrote: It feels quite clear to me that this all should lead eventually into the demise of the Boltons, probably under the lead of Sansa. What I am really curious about is where do they take her character. Is she gonna become a ruthless cold monster? Is she gonna cut a part of Ramsey personally after his defeat? Personally I am of the opinion that she goes dark this season, starts kicking ass and gets killed episode 9...
I can't wait for the Ayra, the blind assassin to be born.
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On April 28 2016 03:47 ShoCkeyy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 03:46 Cricketer12 wrote:On April 28 2016 03:42 opisska wrote: It feels quite clear to me that this all should lead eventually into the demise of the Boltons, probably under the lead of Sansa. What I am really curious about is where do they take her character. Is she gonna become a ruthless cold monster? Is she gonna cut a part of Ramsey personally after his defeat? Personally I am of the opinion that she goes dark this season, starts kicking ass and gets killed episode 9... I can't wait for the Ayra, the blind assassin to be born. I honestly have no clue what Arya's endgame is supposed to be...she has become a very strange character...remember that if she were to become sucessful in the eyes of the Faceless she must literally become no one. She won't be Arya and that's the whole point. This leads to a couple of potential ends but no matter what, I doubt her story ends well...
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If Arya kills Sansa on some occasion, I will regain my faith in the writers not being slaves to public opinion and common cliches.
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On April 28 2016 04:03 opisska wrote: If Arya kills Sansa on some occasion, I will regain my faith in the writers not being slaves to public opinion and common cliches. That would be really really awesome. 10/10 the sand snakes still suck
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Unless Arya meets some pacifist sensei after leaving Braavos (if she leaves it alive) I expect her to go full psycho and keep killing people until she dies, obviously in combat, not necessarily against the bad guys.
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On April 28 2016 03:42 opisska wrote: It feels quite clear to me that this all should lead eventually into the demise of the Boltons, probably under the lead of Sansa. What I am really curious about is where do they take her character. Is she gonna become a ruthless cold monster? Is she gonna cut a part of Ramsey personally after his defeat? Sansa taking back Winterfell would be the logical thing to happen, and that's why I think it won't happen (or rather, I hope it won't happen). Honestly her character has been rather bland and annoying for the last five seasons, just kill her already /:
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On April 28 2016 04:28 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 03:42 opisska wrote: It feels quite clear to me that this all should lead eventually into the demise of the Boltons, probably under the lead of Sansa. What I am really curious about is where do they take her character. Is she gonna become a ruthless cold monster? Is she gonna cut a part of Ramsey personally after his defeat? Sansa taking back Winterfell would be the logical thing to happen, and that's why I think it won't happen (or rather, I hope it won't happen). Honestly her character has been rather bland and annoying for the last five seasons, just kill her already /:
She has now everything she could ever need to unbland herself, so it would be pretty dumb to kill her now. On the other hand, the show sorely needs surprising and uncalled for deaths of main characters, because that's what made it great and it doesn't happen anymore.
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i don't think sansa will breaking bad, i would like to think she's grown a little past that
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On April 28 2016 04:33 opisska wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 04:28 OtherWorld wrote:On April 28 2016 03:42 opisska wrote: It feels quite clear to me that this all should lead eventually into the demise of the Boltons, probably under the lead of Sansa. What I am really curious about is where do they take her character. Is she gonna become a ruthless cold monster? Is she gonna cut a part of Ramsey personally after his defeat? Sansa taking back Winterfell would be the logical thing to happen, and that's why I think it won't happen (or rather, I hope it won't happen). Honestly her character has been rather bland and annoying for the last five seasons, just kill her already /: She has now everything she could ever need to unbland herself, so it would be pretty dumb to kill her now. On the other hand, the show sorely needs surprising and uncalled for deaths of main characters, because that's what made it great and it doesn't happen anymore. Maybe it's just that I really don't like her, but I feel like her unblanding herself now is so expected that it'd be even more bland.
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On April 28 2016 05:08 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 04:33 opisska wrote:On April 28 2016 04:28 OtherWorld wrote:On April 28 2016 03:42 opisska wrote: It feels quite clear to me that this all should lead eventually into the demise of the Boltons, probably under the lead of Sansa. What I am really curious about is where do they take her character. Is she gonna become a ruthless cold monster? Is she gonna cut a part of Ramsey personally after his defeat? Sansa taking back Winterfell would be the logical thing to happen, and that's why I think it won't happen (or rather, I hope it won't happen). Honestly her character has been rather bland and annoying for the last five seasons, just kill her already /: She has now everything she could ever need to unbland herself, so it would be pretty dumb to kill her now. On the other hand, the show sorely needs surprising and uncalled for deaths of main characters, because that's what made it great and it doesn't happen anymore. Maybe it's just that I really don't like her, but I feel like her unblanding herself now is so expected that it'd be even more bland.
Bear in mind that the setting of the show predates Catch-22 by centuries, even though it doesn't happen in the same universe
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The uncalled for deaths of main characters and protagonists is one of the weaker aspects of the show the deeper in we get. It worked for a while, but at some point the show needs to move beyond that narrative trick. If they want to surprise people, let someone succeed for once. The show has to end at some point, it can't go on forever.
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You guys are forgetting Little Finger. If Sansa would take Winterfell it would seriously put her on a collision course with his plans, and she knows that! If she learned anything from this whole story, it is that she needs to make very sure, who she allies with and who she makes her enemy. Maybe, just maybe, she can convince Little Finger to join her side. But for that she surely would need to ally with Ex-Stanis army (is it Davos Army or Red Woman Army now?) and some outside pressures on the Lanisters (like maybe a Dorn attack or so). But like OtherWorld, I too would find that story conclusion way to much of a "from powerless political pawn to empress of the north" fairy tale...
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Pawn to Queen of the north isn’t a bad story and conclusion, tbh. Of all the members of the Starks, she isn’t the one I suspected to retake Winterfell.
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Jon Snow its going to retake Winterfell, well maybe for Sansa. The Red Lady saw him fighting in Winterfell.
Plus, now they have Davos... so Davos + Snow = Win everything.
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On April 28 2016 05:43 Plansix wrote: The uncalled for deaths of main characters and protagonists is one of the weaker aspects of the show the deeper in we get. It worked for a while, but at some point the show needs to move beyond that narrative trick. If they want to surprise people, let someone succeed for once. The show has to end at some point, it can't go on forever. I like to think he was kidding. I'm pretty sure Doran's is the only 'uncalled' death in the show so far. Ignoring some minor characters that had no screen time.
I think so far most of the deaths that happened in the show had logic behind them, and consequences that made sense. I'm not sure what's going to happen with Dorne but it can't be something that would follow logic. Ellaria gave her reasons, but it goes against her character in season4 and if she really loved Oberyn and what he stood for what she did should result in remorse, but she doesn't seem to care at all.
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On April 28 2016 06:33 FranzF1 wrote: Jon Snow its going to retake Winterfell, well maybe for Sansa. The Red Lady saw him fighting in Winterfell.
Plus, now they have Davos... so Davos + Snow = Win everything.
+Tormund "you're not the only ones who owe Jon Snow"
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On April 28 2016 06:33 FranzF1 wrote: Jon Snow its going to retake Winterfell, well maybe for Sansa. The Red Lady saw him fighting in Winterfell.
Plus, now they have Davos... so Davos + Snow = Win everything.
Having Davos worked great for Stannis so itll work great for Jon.
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Stannis didn't have Davos with him when he died (if he's really dead)
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On April 28 2016 06:52 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 06:33 FranzF1 wrote: Jon Snow its going to retake Winterfell, well maybe for Sansa. The Red Lady saw him fighting in Winterfell.
Plus, now they have Davos... so Davos + Snow = Win everything.
Having Davos worked great for Stannis so itll work great for Jon. If anything Davos was the only thing that kept Stannis from getting #rekt by the red woman like three seasons ago. Also the second he leaves Davos behind he has everything go to shit in a matter of like two episodes
Just more evidence of how hard Davos was hard carrying Stannis
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On April 28 2016 13:23 killerdog wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 06:52 Adreme wrote:On April 28 2016 06:33 FranzF1 wrote: Jon Snow its going to retake Winterfell, well maybe for Sansa. The Red Lady saw him fighting in Winterfell.
Plus, now they have Davos... so Davos + Snow = Win everything.
Having Davos worked great for Stannis so itll work great for Jon. If anything Davos was the only thing that kept Stannis from getting #rekt by the red woman like three seasons ago. Also the second he leaves Davos behind he has everything go to shit in a matter of like two episodes Just more evidence of how hard Davos was hard carrying Stannis On the other hand Mel said that had she been there at the Battle of the Blackwater she could have controlled the fires and saved his fleet. Davos advised Stannis not to bring her because it was a done deal and a conquerer with a foreign religion would be unpopular. In retrospect Davos was counting his chickens before they hatched and Stannis would have been wise to bring every weapon he had to that battle, questions of how the victory may look become important only after you have the victory.
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